Officials: 'More cases' expected in measles cluster at Palatine day care center

[marym625]

Source: Chicago Tribune

Public health officials are warning that more measles cases are likely after five infants who attend a suburban day care center were diagnosed with the highly infectious disease.

The outbreak at a KinderCare Learning Center in Palatine marks the second appearance of the measles in Illinois within the last month. Officials last week said a suburban Cook County adult had contracted the disease and visited a Palatine grocery store and health clinic while possibly contagious.

Though it’s not clear whether that case is connected with the day care cluster, officials said Thursday the public should expect additional diagnoses to emerge.


Read more: http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-82734208/

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I hope parents that have decided against vaccination now change their minds

[AllyCat]

1. My cousin told me yesterday that this is Revelations coming true

All the wars and disease. I had to rewrite my response to her about 5 times and finally left it with: we have brought this on ourselves in just a few short years and the US has been at war for centuries. These people just don't think about science at all.

[marym625]

2. nope. not at all

We bitch and moan about how horrible the illegal, immoral war in Iraq was (is). But when was the last time we were justified in entering a war? How many did we intentionally start? How many have started because of our greed and unending war policies?

Now we are spreading disease across the planet. Both with actual germs and with pollution.

Leaders of the free world, with the highest incarceration rate, the death penalty, unapologetic torture, war crimes, etc etc etc etc

I know that much of these atrocities are not new. But this country is unrecognizable to me compared to when I was growing up

[Bluenorthwest]

3. The US is very fucked up, but it is also not the only country with anti vaccine populations causing

outbreaks of various diseases. The Netherlands has ongoing issues, they have had polio outbreaks, measles, mumps....here's a story about the measles outbreak in BC last year....
"The largest outbreak of measles in decades was officially declared over Monday with a vast reduction in the number of transmissions and new cases, says Fraser Health's chief medical health officer.

Over a four-week period earlier this spring, the Fraser Health region had over 400 cases of measles with some patients requiring hospitalization.

The outbreak initially began after dozens of cases were reported at a Christian School in Chilliwack with a low vaccination rate. That school was temporarily closed."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/largest-measles-outbreak-in-30-years-ends-in-fraser-valley-1.2624598

Fraser Valley BC is much, much closer to me than the Greater Disneyland Area.

[marym625]

4. I understand that we're not alone in this

But we are responsible for us.

Disneyland is very far from me. I live in Chicago. Palatine is a suburb of Chicago. That's where this outbreak is, palatine.

[Bluenorthwest]

14. Of course we are responsible for us, but even a negative exceptionalism is exceptionalism

I think it is worth noting that the BC outbreak last year was never even discussed on DU nor in the US news. If this is about keeping the public healthy it should be discussed. Is that being responsible? Is 'us' just Americans, not others? Does the measles virus know about the border?

[marym625]

15. of course

I don't mean to argue with you. It was you that put proximity in the conversation.

I didn't realize it wasn't discussed on DU. I know it was in US media though not saturated like the outbreak here is.

I agree that it needs to be discussed here about everywhere. Your reply seemed to minimize the concern about the current US outbreak. If that wasn't your intent, I apologize.

[marym625]

6. btw..

If people that believe that the Bible is the truth, you would think they would act and vote differently than most of them do.

Good for you on that reply too. Sorry, meant to say that earlier

[jwirr]

8. I like the reply also. Anyone who has ever really looked at Revelations knows that all those so

called signs of the end times were already fulfilled in the 1st Centuries after they were written. They were written for that era. So what he answered is what most of the mainstream churches believe. It is just a small group of churches that think they are just being fulfilled now.

[marym625]

9. It's so frustrating. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

23. I know some of those. Worse,

they justify it by belittling the issue, "Oh, only 1:100,000 die from it". Yeah, NOW. Wait till there's a pandemic, that alters the mortality rate.

And nevermind that the CDC and the Canadian counterpart to the US's CDC pin the number at 1:1500-2000 kids for permanent brain damage. I forget the number for permanent hearing loss.

[AllyCat]

25. I am astonished that they all believe in God giving them "free will" and they choose

to basically not only hurt themselves, but hurt others while they do it. Then they claim Plague! Toads! Benghazi! Famine! Locusts! when it all heads down the tubes.

[jwirr]

27. Exactly. It isn't God ending the world it is them of their own free will.

[marym625]

32. +1000

Damn straight it is!

[marym625]

30. astonished is the perfect word

Exactly what I am, astonished.

[Sunlei]

5. Children who attend public schools or state-licensed day cares are required to get vaccinations!

Illinois licensed the "for profit" Kindercares Corporation?


November 8, 2004 |


Legendary leveraged-buyout (LBO) firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts struck gold on Friday, as a company in which it owns nearly an 80% interest, child-care and preschool operator KinderCare (OTC BB: KDCR.OB), announced it will be acquired by privately held Knowledge Learning in a transaction set to close before the end of the year.

Now if you were reading closely, you probably noticed the strange ticker symbol for KinderCare -- it's not one you'll see often on the Fool, where we tend to eschew penny stocks and unlisted companies alike. But KinderCare is no penny stock, nor even a penny company. As of Friday's close (preceding Friday's announcement), KinderCare's shares fetched $12 even (far from the border of penny stock land, which tops out at $5). And the company has a pretty sizeable market cap, too: It's worth nearly $240 million.

[marym625]

7. interesting

Thanks for the information.

A place that doesn't require vaccinations should also not allow infants that can't yet be vaccinated.

I wonder if parents are told about their vaccination policy when they enroll their infant

[Sunlei]

11. IMO the root of the current problems are 'for profit' private schools & 'for profit' daycares. Giant

private Corps not taking care over the most basic of childrens healthcare needs.

Corps. make billions off the stock market, yet when there are health issues, outbreaks of disease..it is American taxpayer state and federal money that is used to help clean up the "for profits" mess.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Um, no.

Illinois:

"HEALTH & SAFETY
Applies to all private schools
• Private schools must comply with prevailing state or local fire safety requirements and
maintain written evidence of an annual inspection.
• Private schools must maintain evidence of compliance with federal and state health
examination and immunization laws."

Private schools, even 'unrecognized' or 'provisionally recognized' private schools, must supply records/evidence of compliance with state immunization law. This certainly applies to charter schools as well, since they are fully recognized private schools.

So, they must be in compliance with this schedule:
http://www.idph.state.il.us/about/immunization_requirements.pdf

[marym625]

33. Thanks for this

You should call ABC. The chain is saying they don't have to require it and don't. Though they are requiring their staff to be vaccinated by Monday

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/kindercare-mandates-staff-vaccinations-infants-catch-measles-illinois/story?id=28781242

[AtheistCrusader]

34. I think in this case, kindercare is licensing itself as a daycare

that also provides some education programs (Montessori-lite) rather than licensing itself as a school.

I don't know the vaccination requirements of a daycare, but I assume it actually wouldn't be legally required, because many or most daycares will also handle children too young to vaccinate at all.

[marym625]

38. makes sense

Encouraging information from 3catwoman3 in reply #35. She works at a doctor's office somewhere near Palatine.

[kath]

17. read the story. The infected children are all INFANTS. MMR is not given until 12-15 mos of age.

There is NO evidence of Kindercare-enrolled children being unvaccinated.

[lunasun]

28. +1

[marym625]

39. +1

[padfun]

10. They won't

"I hope parents that have decided against vaccination now change their minds"

They won't change their minds. Whenever people are faced with facts that refute their beliefs, they ignore them and make up other things that justify their positions. It is human nature.

"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest."

Paul Simon, The Boxer

[marym625]

12. True

As my grandmother always said, convince a man against his will, he will have the same opinion still.

But you would think that their kid's life would come before their own stubbornness. Sigh.

[Sunlei]

13. The states who handed over taxpayer money as vouchers to private schools started the problem.

[AtheistCrusader]

20. I've heard a lot of valid criticisms of the voucher/charter programs. This isn't one of them.

Because it's flat-out unrelated. Your complaint about Illinois upthread, is entirely wrong. Private schools are held to the SAME standard as public schools under state immunization requirements. There is no exemption inherent to private and charter schools.

This isn't happening because of certain schools. (In fact, the care facility in the OP is having problems for children TOO YOUNG TO VACCINATE AT ALL). This is happening because the American public has enough anti-intellectual, anti-vaccine hysteria both religious and otherwise, to drag the general populace to flirt with the lower boundaries of herd immunity.

Schools had fuck-all to do with this. Schools are just localized hubs where kids who've become infected with XYZ illness come into contact with each other a LOT, and will spread an infectious disease very rapidly. (hence state laws around vaccine requirements.)

The only 'schools' that might get away with noncompliance, are homeschoolers.

[Sunlei]

21. tell me, why didn't the 'private school' demand vaccine records before the child attends a class?

That's what happens in public schools. Parents show the records before the child starts classes!

These mega 'Learning centers' should never even have unvaccinated infants in the same facility.

Even a 'decent' dog kennel requires vaccines before they will board a dog!

IMO, the voucher system is/was intended to take state school tax money and hand it over to private 'for profit' businesses.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. As has already been pointed out by other posters, those children are too young for the vaccine.

You're tilting at windmills here. And it has not a fucking thing to do with vouchers.

You actually do the valid reasons to oppose vouchers a disservice when you bring easily debunked nonsense like that into the discussion.

[Sunlei]

24. So do you think its safe for infants to be 'daycared' in the same facility as older children?

I've always been totally against my thousands I have paid in taxes for public schools- handed over to private-'for profit' schools.

[AtheistCrusader]

26. Yes, and in fact there are public schools with such facilities.

So again, a non-issue for the vouchers issue, which is totally separate. In Prince George county, Northwestern High School has an entire daycare facility on the second floor to enable teen mothers to complete their high school education.

That's a public school.

You seem to be target fixated on private/vouchers/charter schools, when that is fully not the issue IN THIS CASE.
There are plenty of other appropriate subjects where that becomes an issue (and where I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you). This isn't it.

[marym625]

40. check reply #35

Encouraging information from 3catwoman3

[20score]

16. k & r

[marym625]

18. Thanks 20score

[Warpy]

29. I think a kid or two will have to die before a rock headed antivaxer changes

his or her alleged mind. They tend to be the zealots and crusaders among us.

[marym625]

31. "They tend to be the zealots and crusaders among us."

Exactly!

I think a few babies will have to die. I don't think brain damage or hearing loss or one dead child at their hands will do it. It will have to be more.
Sadly

[3catwoman3]

36. The prospect of the return of the iron lung...

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...should scare the crap out of people.

[marym625]

41. What a thought.

I hope it doesn't come to that point.

[3catwoman3]

35. The phone at our pediatric office, which is within easy...

...driving distance of Palatine, has been ringing off the proverbial hook. Some of our families live in that town.

Just this afternoon, a mom of 3, who has followed her own modified immunization schedule and would not give MMR to her two older kids until they were 3, was in the office desperate to get her 17 month old daughter the MMR.

I assured her that I thought she was doing the right thing.

[marym625]

37. Oh yay!

That's great news. Maybe those that weren't ever going to have their kids vaccinated, will change their minds without babies dying first

Thanks for letting us know this