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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:33 PM Feb 2015

Reports: Jordan To Execute Extremist After Pilot Burned Alive

Source: USA TODAY

Jim Michaels and John Bacon, USA TODAY 3:16 p.m. EST February 3, 2015

WASHINGTON — Hours after the Islamic State released a video Tuesday showing a Jordanian pilot being burned alive, multiple news outlets reported Jordan planned to execute a woman the militants had wanted freed.

Jordan's government had been trying to secure the pilot's release, agreeing last week to free Sajida al-Rishawi, an Iraqi woman facing execution for her role in the 2005 hotel bombings in Jordan. However, the deal fell through after Jordan requested proof the pilot, Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh, was alive.

Reuters and AFP, citing unnamed sources, said al-Rishawi would be executed at dawn Wednesday in Jordan.

The video, which could not be independently verified, was released by the Islamic State's media arm, according to the IntelCenter, which monitors extremist websites. However, Jordanian TV reported that the burning of the pilot, , actually took place Jan. 3.

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Jordan to execute Sajida al-Rashawi and five others

"Sky News reports Jordan will execute Iraqi prisoner Sajida al-Rahaswi and five others linked to terrorist organizations in the upcoming hours.

"The sentence of death pending on... Iraqi Sajida al-Rishawi will be carried out at dawn," the security official said on Tuesday, speaking on condition of anonymity to the Daily Star. "

http://www.albawaba.com/news/update-jordan-execute-sajida-al-rashawi-and-five-others-652304
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Reports: Jordan To Execute Extremist After Pilot Burned Alive (Original Post) Purveyor Feb 2015 OP
Honestly, in the case of ISIS there should be a presumption of death penalty geek tragedy Feb 2015 #1
anyone against drone striking in this case? uhnope Feb 2015 #17
not at all samsingh Feb 2015 #27
I oppose the death penalty bluestateguy Feb 2015 #2
Though I oppose civil capital punishment, this is a war Dawson Leery Feb 2015 #3
They shouldn't be allowed back but with EU Historic NY Feb 2015 #6
I agree. The EU is STILL afraid to put their foot down on this. 7962 Feb 2015 #14
They never had the intention of releasing the pilot... Historic NY Feb 2015 #4
They seem to be trying to come up with more and more tblue37 Feb 2015 #11
That's likely true daleo Feb 2015 #32
"I hope they id & take out the english speaking guy, soon ... " Botany Feb 2015 #12
+1 hamsterjill Feb 2015 #13
Sadly he was murdered a month ago, so all the "negotiations" for his release was a complete sham! George II Feb 2015 #22
apparently the pilot had been murdered in early jan. so this is all lies. samsingh Feb 2015 #28
My god--burning alive. I can't imagine a worse agony. Barbarians. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #5
This is horrendous rtracey Feb 2015 #19
Salem hanged witches rpannier Feb 2015 #21
Yes My fault rtracey Feb 2015 #23
And the U.S. had a field day with its enslaved and freed Africans/African Americans. BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #31
WARNING the link has video of the act..by ISIS Historic NY Feb 2015 #7
Horrible. But remember 840high Feb 2015 #8
"An eye for an eye and the whole world is blind". mahannah Feb 2015 #9
Yeah, but its the West's fault etc etc. PragmaticLiberal Feb 2015 #10
It would've shown up eventually! nt 7962 Feb 2015 #15
Sometime I'll post a chronology of why and how this brutally extreme "terrorism" came about.... George II Feb 2015 #16
it goes back much further than that.... BUT... Adrahil Feb 2015 #20
wow rtracey Feb 2015 #18
I am against Jordan and IS 'death penalties' Sunlei Feb 2015 #24
isn't being executed by a Muslim woman grounds for not getting any virgins in "heaven" flying_wahini Feb 2015 #25
In reality they don't have a choice not to do so. NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #26
Don't think they'll care rpannier Feb 2015 #29
In this case, I wouldn't mind if the drones soaked Ilsa Feb 2015 #30
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. Honestly, in the case of ISIS there should be a presumption of death penalty
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:35 PM
Feb 2015

to avoid the temptation to release them as part of hostage situations.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
2. I oppose the death penalty
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:35 PM
Feb 2015

But let's just say that there are some cases where I exert more energy in my opposition than others.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
3. Though I oppose civil capital punishment, this is a war
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:37 PM
Feb 2015

and ISIS openly lied during the negotiations. ISIS brought this on themselves.

I fully support bombing the s**t out of ISIS fighters regardless of national origin, gender, or age.

I should add that I oppose allowing westerners who joined ISIS back into their home countries. They could be lying.

Here are pictures of the pilot before his death.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/03/muath-al-kaseasbeh-dead_n_6604726.html

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
14. I agree. The EU is STILL afraid to put their foot down on this.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:08 PM
Feb 2015

And its even being argued here. I'm sorry, but I dont see a constitutional violation if you refuse return to someone who is aiding an enemy

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
4. They never had the intention of releasing the pilot...
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:37 PM
Feb 2015

like the request for 200 million. I hope they id & take out the english speaking guy, soon he seems to take great delight.

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
11. They seem to be trying to come up with more and more
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:55 PM
Feb 2015

brutal ways to murder their victims, since beheading can be relatively quick if it is not done clumsily or with the wrong sort of instrument. That makes me think that those in power in that group are deriving real pleasure from the agony of their victims. This is not just about winning, but about reveling in maximizing the suffering of someone helpless.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
32. That's likely true
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:35 PM
Feb 2015

But I think it is also to goad the west. They have to keep topping their latest outrage. Our reactions are part of their strategy. They think they can prevail in a spiral of violence. They don't really know us. Religion will do that - it is all about magical thinking.

Botany

(70,581 posts)
12. "I hope they id & take out the english speaking guy, soon ... "
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:56 PM
Feb 2015

Me too!

If I was that guy I wouldn't be putting my money into any long term notes .....
I hope that he isn't just blown up but that the last 10 minutes of his life he will
know that a Navy SEAL team or some British Comandos are right outside his
house and that he can't do anything to stop 'em.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
19. This is horrendous
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:20 PM
Feb 2015

As the English did to heretics, and the European witch trials, and the Spanish....etc, etc, etc.. ISIS is no different then the barbaric acts of distant times. ISIS is distant times. They may use modern guns and bombs, but their thought processes are from distant history.

rpannier

(24,337 posts)
21. Salem hanged witches
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:23 PM
Feb 2015

They also crushed a man to get him to confess
They also hanged a dog

I could be mistaken, but I doin't think they ever burned a witch in Salem

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
23. Yes My fault
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:30 PM
Feb 2015

My fault, salem did hang witches, but many were burned throughout europe. I will amend my post.

BumRushDaShow

(129,440 posts)
31. And the U.S. had a field day with its enslaved and freed Africans/African Americans.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:22 PM
Feb 2015

Plenty of photos of the result (whipping, hanging, burning. maiming) since the perpetrators were incredible exhibitionists, bringing their families along to enjoy the show.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. Sometime I'll post a chronology of why and how this brutally extreme "terrorism" came about....
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:13 PM
Feb 2015

.....going back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and a young Osama bin Laden.

But, in all honesty, you're not too far off. The thing is that this has been festering for 25+ years.

Osama bin Laden was actually an ally of the US (such as he could be) during the Soviet war/occupation, and was still not an enemy of the US until the 1991 Gulf War. President Bush was warned over and over again to NOT station American troops on sacred land in Saudi Arabia. He ignored the warnings.

See the article linked below:

http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/upfront/features/index.asp?article=f121310_gulfwar

The war that first introduced Americans to Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein—and may have given Osama bin Laden a reason to attack the United States—began on Jan. 17, 1991.
American and coalition forces, responding to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, bombed Iraqi targets and troops for a month. By the time the ground war began on Feb. 24, Saddam Hussein's forces were so decimated that it took just 100 hours to oust them from Kuwait and trounce the remnants of Iraq's once-mighty military.

The Persian Gulf War, fought 20 years ago next month, turned out to be one of the swiftest wars in U.S. history.

But its effects still linger: Because Saddam Hussein remained in power, the Gulf War is now seen as a prelude to the second Iraq War, which began in 2003—and is still winding down more than seven years later.

The Gulf War also set the stage for the current war in Afghanistan and America's broader battle against Islamic terrorism: The presence of "infidel" U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia during the 1990s helped radicalize Osama bin Laden and the other leaders of Al Qaeda, who vowed to target America at home and abroad.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
20. it goes back much further than that.... BUT...
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:22 PM
Feb 2015

ultimately, these people are making the choice to be monsters.

Fuck 'em. Ultimately the problem is a political one, but in this case, these monsters need killing.

I'll never forgive George W. Bush for the goddamm bloody mess he's created.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
18. wow
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:17 PM
Feb 2015

And are we not concerned that Ben Carson says the Founding Fathers and ISIS are similar in their fight.

“A bunch of rag-tag militiamen defeated the most powerful and professional military force on the planet. Why? Because they believed in what they were doing. They were willing to die for what they believed in,” Carson told a luncheon audience of national committee members. “Fast forward to today. What do we have? You’ve got ISIS. They’ve got the wrong philosophy, but they’re willing to die for it while we are busily giving away every belief and every value for the sake of political correctness. We have to change that.”

He may be saying that ISIS is wrong, but to use ISIS and the founding fathers in the same sentence, with the same breath, to me equates Hitler's Nazi movement with Israel.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. I am against Jordan and IS 'death penalties'
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:53 PM
Feb 2015

some 'gov' people around the world are still useless sub-barbarians

flying_wahini

(6,646 posts)
25. isn't being executed by a Muslim woman grounds for not getting any virgins in "heaven"
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:01 PM
Feb 2015

getting into Muslim "heaven"? While radical imams and Islamist extremists groups often promise fighters 72 virgins if they die in battle, ISIS fighters seem unsure whether or not being killed by a woman disqualifies them from their virgin-fuelled utopian rest.
So round up some brave sisters to do the deed...

[link:http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2014/09/21/Why-ISIS-fighters-prefer-to-be-killed-by-men-.html|

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
26. In reality they don't have a choice not to do so.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:11 PM
Feb 2015

Prior to the Geneva Conventions, the code of war prevented execution of prisoners of war through the system of "if you don't kill our POWs, we won't kill yours". Since ISIS doesn't honor even this most basic of codes going back centuries, retaliatory executions are the only way to attempt to force it upon them.

rpannier

(24,337 posts)
29. Don't think they'll care
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:49 PM
Feb 2015

I think her crime pre-dates ISIS. Her crime was about 10 years ago (I think)
I don't think they had any intention on releasing any of the three hostages.
They just wanted the attention by playing it out for a month

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