Hillary Clinton mocks anti-vaccine crowd: 'The earth is round'

[IDemo]

Source: The Week

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Monday took a swipe at two potential 2016 rivals over their remarks about vaccines.

"The science is clear: The earth is round, the sky is blue, and #vaccineswork. Let's protect all our kids."

Earlier in the day, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) called for "some measure of choice" in the vaccine debate, then swiftly clarified his stance. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) went further, claiming in an interview that vaccines can lead to "profound mental disorders." Jon Terbush

Read more: http://theweek.com/speedreads/537322/hillary-clinton-mocks-antivaccine-crowd-earth-round

[bigwillq]

1. Good for Hillary.

K and R

[Katashi_itto]

95. Easier group to mock and safe. Instead of say, bankers or wall street...

[Warren Stupidity]

2. I support this message. nt.

[William769]

3. LOL!

[Iliyah]

4. The earth is round. The GOPers want America back in the dark ages.

Do they want a debilitating epidemic in America? Yes, why? Because these so called Christians want the end of the world. BUT BEFORE that happens, these so called Christians want to first suck the earth dry.

[hack89]

5. I know plenty of educated liberal anti-vaxxers

this is a bi-partisan problem.

[3catwoman3]

6. Educated...

...but WRONG!

[hack89]

7. True. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

8. Wrong, and dangerous.

[bluedigger]

9. In the party leadership?

Like who?

[hack89]

12. Let me go back and reread what I wrote ...

yup, no mention of party leadership.

You had a question?

[bluedigger]

56. Do you think it is an equivalent problem of significance for both parties?

Or do you think it helps to infer that?

And who does it help?

There. Three for the price of one.

[hack89]

57. Yes when talking about non-politicians

on one hand we have religious nut cases. On the other we have holistic "spiritual" nut cases.

[hack89]

60. I think it is not so much ideology but a conspiratorial mindset that sets anti-vaxxers apart

and as is demonstrated here daily, there are plenty of progressives that enthusiastically embrace conspiracy theories.

[MBS]

83. " " " " " n/t

[still_one]

10. unfortunately you are right, it crosses both sides of the aisle

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

27. 2015 - and she has to say this because there are actually people out there who dont understand

[iandhr]

11. I guess the CDS/ODS people here...

… will become anti-vax

[rhett o rick]

13. Bravo H. Clinton. nm

[OhZone]

14. I am in favor of vaccines for kids - but -

There is a level of authoritarianism to vaccines that bothers me. Again, if I had a kid, which seems unlikely at this point, I would definitely want him or her to get her shots. But I don't do flu. What authoritarianism? It's very difficult to get information about vaccine ingredients and to make a decision about the product. We're expected to simply take anything along with the vaccine and not complain or investigate safety.

I've argued this before and I get lumped in with anti-vacers by default.

What's wrong with a middle ground where, as consumers, we get a list of ingredients and some background as to safety? If they're really safe, then list the pros and cons like we do with food and many drugs. Why treat vaccines like a secret potion?

I know you can google some things, but vaccines also vary from batch to batch.

I guess I like to be careful about what I put in my body.

[jeff47]

21. What's wrong is insufficient education to actually make a decision from that background.

The complaints about thimerosal is an example. Anti-vaxxers claim it can cause harm by comparing it to the wrong form of mercury. This is like claiming water (H2O) can burn because hydrogen (H2) can burn.

Human bodies are extremely complex systems. Even a lifetime of study is not sufficient to completely understand how they work. We can not expect "regular" people to completely understand how an ingredient will interact with their body.

Also, this:

I know you can google some things, but vaccines also vary from batch to batch.

is wrong. Vaccines do not vary significantly from "batch to batch". That's how we know the vaccine works. If they varied, we would not know if it is going to work or not.

I'm guessing this is coming from the flu vaccine. That doesn't vary "from batch to batch", but from year to year. Influenza is terrible at packing up new influenza viruses, and will often pick up bits of the host organism. That's why it's "bird flu". It has parts of birds in it. That causes the virus to change extremely rapidly, so a different vaccine is formulated every year based on what scientists think will be the most prevalent flu viruses that year.

So go ahead and google the vaccine you are concerned about, and among the top hits will be the CDC, the WHO, WebMD and similar sites that explain what the risk of a particular vaccine are. Btw, if they don't give you a percentage of complications per dose or similar measure, you should not trust that particular site's analysis.

If you really want to get deep into the weeds on a vaccine, go to Google Scholar (http://scholar.google.com) and you will likely find the original papers documenting the vaccine's development.

[mrmpa]

28. I am more afraid of the Flu,,,,,,,

than I am of other diseases (up until this latest Measles outbreak). The Flu can run rampant very quickly through populated areas. My county with a population of over 1.23 million has had 4417 cases of the Flu this season so far. That is 4417 cases too many. Most of the cases are within the Urban areas.

I have had the Flu and I refuse to be that sick ever again. I did not get a Flu shot that year, due to being unemployed and lack of health insurance. I developed pneumonia, but still wasn't able to see a Doctor. I'm very lucky I didn't die.

As a kid every year my Mom's Union offered free Flu shots for members and their families. Every year, Mom, Dad and us 4 kids went to the clinic and got immunized. When I was in College and came home over Columbus Day weekend, Mom made sure I got my Flu shot. As an adult, up until the time I was unemployed, my employer(s) and or my Union offered free Flu shots and I took advantage of it.

I'm sorry that you don't like to be careful about what you put in other's bodies.

[Adrahil]

84. I don;t know about you, but my doc has information sheets on each vaccine...

... while they are prepping the vaccine, they invite you to read the info sheet and before they administer it, they ask if you have any questions or concerns.

[Geronimoe]

15. They may work

But are they safe and present "no" risk? Hillary didn't address this. I recommend any concerned parent discuss with physician and not take the word of any politician attempting to score political points.

[IDemo]

16. And I recommend any concerned parent discuss

with their pediatrician whether a child's experience with measles is "safe and presents no risk". That would include, of course, the health of each child exposed to the disease as a result of your choice.

Decisions, decisions...

[ColesCountyDem]

17. Yup, it's not rocket science.

The risk of serious medical complications from vaccines-- statistically insignificant. The risk of serious medical complications from measles-- 1 in 20.

[groundloop]

19. Not to mention the risk to all those who come in contact with an infected individual

There are some kids who can't be vaccinated due to immune system issues etc. If everyone around them is vaccinated then these very few unvaccinated kids likely won't get infected. As more and more parents choose to not have their kids vaccinated there's a growing risk to these kids who can't be vaccinated (there's less "herd immunity&quot . Those who choose against vaccinations aren't only endangering their own kids but those around them as well.

[ColesCountyDem]

25. We're losing, or have lost, 'herd immunity'. n/t

[Geronimoe]

22. Not a black & white issue

There is much that is not known....

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/01/18/169516511/schedule-of-childhood-vaccines-declared-safe

[ColesCountyDem]

24. No, there isn't 'a lot that's not known'.

Please, quit perpetuating ignorance.

[Geronimoe]

29. No justification for being insulting and a bully

The NPR article speaks for itself.

[ColesCountyDem]

32. I'm being neither.

Your comment perpetuates ignorance about vaccination science; my reply is not an insult, it's a blunt request. Furthermore, if you think my post constitutes being bullied, I seriously doubt you'll last very long here at DU.

[Geronimoe]

67. Yours is only your opinion not fact based science

The vaccine makers have immunity from any harm. The Federal Gov compensates those who are injured and have paid out over $3 billion. The NPR article clearly states that there is not enough studies to determine safe scheduling of vaccinations that children receive. When they stated this is safe, they only looked at 40 studies and claimed they could find no association of harm in the studies they reviewed. They admit more studies are needed.

[ColesCountyDem]

69. "...they only looked at 40 studies...."

People can opine that the earth is flat, but people who have done 40 studies about the earth's shape are highly unlikely to be among those holding that opinion.

Furthermore, you misrepresent what the article itself says, which is (and I quote), "Childhood vaccines for diseases like measles, polio and whooping cough have repeatedly been proved safe and effective. Even so, some parents still worry that the schedule of vaccinations — 24 immunizations by the age of 2 — can be dangerous. That worry is likely misplaced, according to a yearlong review of all available scientific data.

Researchers from the Institute of Medicine found there is no evidence that the federally recommended timeline for childhood vaccines is unsafe.

According to family physician Alfred Berg of the University of Washington School of Medicine, who was a member of the IOM committee, the research team looked at a large number of medical conditions, including "things like autoimmune diseases, which even captures diabetes, asthma, hypersensitivity, allergies, seizures, epilepsy, child developmental disorders including autism, and other learning disorders, communications disorders, intellectual disabilities, and even rare things like tics or Tourette's syndrome." None could be linked to the vaccination schedule....

Nowhere in the article-- nowhere-- did it state that the current schedule is unsafe. ALL it said was that no one had researched whether different timing might be just as safe.

[greatlaurel]

72. Thank you!

40 studies involves a massive amount of research. I am more interested in the twin studies on autism.

Autism Speaks has an interesting website with lots of recent links to current research.

http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=5025556&fileId=S0033291700028099

"Synopsis

Two previous epidemiological studies of autistic twins suggested that autism was predominantly genetically determined, although the findings with regard to a broader phenotype of cognitive, and possibly social, abnormalities were contradictory. Obstetric and perinatal hazards were also invoked as environmentally determined aetiological factors. The first British twin sample has been re-examined and a second total population sample of autistic twins recruited. In the combined sample 60% of monozygotic (MZ) pairs were concordant for autism versus no dizygotic (DZ) pairs; 92% of MZ pairs were concordant for a broader spectrum of related cognitive or social abnormalities versus 10% of DZ pairs. The findings indicate that autism is under a high degree of genetic control and suggest the involvement of multiple genetic loci. Obstetric hazards usually appear to be consequences of genetically influenced abnormal development, rather than independent aetiological factors. Few new cases had possible medical aetiologies, refuting claims that recognized disorders are common aetiological influences."

[Arugula Latte]

59. Here, this should help clarify things. It's pretty black and white:

One side shows a pre-vaccine world where tens of thousands of people died from now-preventable diseases. (It doesn't show the terrible effects, though, like deafness, blindness, brain damage, paralysis, etc. that many survivors had to live with for the rest of their lives.)

The other side shows a post-vaccine world.

Which world would you rather live in?

[greatlaurel]

63. The vaccines are much safer than contracting these diseases.

You imply the risks from the MMR vaccine are greater than the risks from contracting measles, mumps and rubella. That implication is very wrong. To try to imply there is some scary increased risk assigned to the vaccines over what the risks are from these very real and dangerous diseases is very bad behavior. Please educate yourself about the diseases and the vaccines used to stop these scourges.

Is it because these diseases are called "childhood diseases" that you feel it is OK for children to be forced to suffer through these terrible diseases?

Here is the link to the CDC page on the complications of measles http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html
" Ear infections occur in about one out of every 10 children with measles and can result in permanent hearing loss.
Diarrhea is reported in less than one out of 10 people with measles.

Severe Complications

Some people may suffer from severe complications, such as pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and encephalitis (swelling of the brain). They may need to be hospitalized and could die.

As many as one out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.
About one child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and can leave the child deaf or mentally retarded.
For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.

Measles may cause pregnant woman to give birth prematurely, or have a low-birth-weight baby.

The Measles chapter of the Epidemiology and Prevention of Vaccine Preventable Diseases (Pink Book) describes measles complications in more depth.
Top of Page
Long-term Complications

Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) is a very rare, but fatal disease of the central nervous system that results from a measles virus infection acquired earlier in life. SSPE generally develops 7 to 10 years after a person has measles, even though the person seems to have fully recovered from the illness. Since measles was eliminated in 2000, SSPE is rarely reported in the United States."



Here is the link to the CDC page on the measles vaccine: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/MMR/MMR.html

"The most common adverse events following the MMR vaccine are pain where the vaccine is given, fever, a mild rash, and swollen glands in the cheeks or neck.
Studies have shown a small increased risk of febrile seizures occurs among children who are younger than 7 years old approximately 8-14 days after vaccination for every 3,000-4,000 children vaccinated with MMR vaccine. This is compared to children not vaccinated during the preceding 30 days.?

[dbackjon]

85. There is such thing as NO RISK for anything

You choose to drive to work. that is a risk.

You choose to stay home, there is a risk there.


Is the Risk of no vaccine greater than the risk of vaccine? YES. There are obviously exceptions, but for the world as a whole, the answer is very clear.

[candelista]

18. Siezures in "only" one in every 1000 doses --UK NHS

There is a small chance of seizures (fits) occurring six to 11 days after having the MMR vaccine. It sounds alarming, but it's rare, and only happens in only about one in every 1,000 doses.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/mmr-side-effects.aspx

[greatlaurel]

70. According to the NIH, 1 in 25 children will have a febrile seizure before they outgrow the tendency.

A febrile seizure can occur when a young child has a fever of 102 degrees F rectally. If a child gets a fever from a vaccination then they could have a febrile seizure.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/febrile_seizures/detail_febrile_seizures.htm#260003111

"What are febrile seizures?

Febrile seizures are convulsions brought on by a fever in infants or small children. During a febrile seizure, a child often loses consciousness and shakes, moving limbs on both sides of the body. Less commonly, the child becomes rigid or has twitches in only a portion of the body, such as an arm or a leg, or on the right or the left side only. Most febrile seizures last a minute or two, although some can be as brief as a few seconds while others last for more than 15 minutes.

The majority of children with febrile seizures have rectal temperatures greater than 102 degrees Fahrenheit. Most febrile seizures occur during the first day of a child's fever. Children prone to febrile seizures are not considered to have epilepsy, since epilepsy is characterized by recurrent seizures that are not triggered by fever.

How common are febrile seizures?

Approximately one in every 25 children will have at least one febrile seizure, and more than one-third of these children will have additional febrile seizures before they outgrow the tendency to have them. Febrile seizures usually occur in children between the ages of 6 months and 5 years and are particularly common in toddlers. Children rarely develop their first febrile seizure before the age of 6 months or after 3 years of age. The older a child is when the first febrile seizure occurs, the less likely that child is to have more."

[Hekate]

78. My younger brother used to get these raging fevers *from childhood illnesses* not vaxxes....

I remember our Mom being so worried as his fever would climb toward 104 while she gave him an alcohol/water sponge bath to bring it down. I wonder now if she was really aware of how much I actually was taking in as she spoke -- but yes, seizures were on her mind back in the day.

[greatlaurel]

89. Very good point, parents used to rely on these techniques so often before vaccinations available.

Parents had so much to worry about. Even the common childhood diseases could easily morph into a death sentence before antibiotics were discovered, if a secondary bacterial infection occurred. The reasons for why parents hailed vaccinations have been forgotten. With the antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria so common now, preventing secondary bacterial infections is becoming more imperative once again.

[lobodons]

20. Hillary, There you go again...

Hillary, there you go again talking science, facts and all that stuff.

[greatlaurel]

64. Great post! Short, sweet and to the point.

Thanks!

[greatlaurel]

23. Good for Hillary!

She has always been a supporter of sound science. People should be aware of how hard she worked as a Senator exposing the lies of the Bush administration on the impacts on the health of the ground zero workers and the citizens exposed to the pollution from the towers. There were reams of evidence that came to light due to her efforts. The news media pretty much ignored the hearings and the information that came to light. Partly because many in the news media are incapable of understanding scientific information (Chuck Todd, Scarborough,Campbell Brown and Dan Senor to name a few of the biggest ninnies in the press) and partly to suppress the information on how bad the air pollution in New York actually was from the collapse and burning of the World Trade Center buildings. The most disgusting thing brought to light was how the ground zero workers were discouraged from wearing breathing protection by the Bush and Giuliani functionaries. Todd Whitman lost all credibility from that point. Her behavior was completely self serving and despicable. Her actions cost hundreds of people their health and their lives.

Sorry for the off topic rant, but HRC always promotes sound science.

Get your children vaccinated! Get your titers checked if you do not know what your vaccination status is. It is vital for women of child bearing age to make sure they are protected from Rubella. This needs to be discussed, since a Rubella outbreak could cause many birth defects if pregnant women come down with Rubella.

Go Hillary!

[candelista]

37. "Sound science" includes considering side effects.

Here's some "sound science" from the UK National Health Service:

"There is a small chance of seizures (fits) occurring six to 11 days after having the MMR vaccine. It sounds alarming, but it's rare, and only happens in only about one in every 1,000 doses." (Italics mine.)

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/mmr-side-effects.aspx

[IDemo]

41. Why would you leave out the rest of the paragraph?

In fact MMR-related seizures are less frequent than seizures that occur as a direct result of a measles infection.

Are virally induced seizures the all-natural preferred ones?

[candelista]

62. Not everyone who is unvaccinated will get measles.

This invalidates the statistical comparison. Shame on the NHS for doing this, but they, like you, want to push mandatory vaccination, which might be a good idea, but needs more discussion, not more ridicule and personal attacks.

[Hekate]

91. Right, only 90% of the unvaccinated will get sick upon exposure to measles

Great odds, those. Around the world some 150,000 die of it each year. How badly do you want to challenge your own child's immune system by avoiding this vaccine? Or maybe you just won't ever travel outside the U.S. and rely on everyone else getting their shots. Stay away from big crowds of international visitors, too -- like tourists gathered at Disney World and Disney Land.

Cheers.

[niyad]

26. "vaccines lead to profound mental disorders"--does that explain what is wrong with randy paul?

[brooklynite]

30. So, it looks like the Clinton haters have an alternative candidate to vote for...

[freshwest]

76. You betcha!

[candelista]

31. Is this how she will be when she is President?

Addressing public concerns about complex issues by making fun of those who disagree with her?

[Paladin]

33. The anti-vax movement is fully deserving of sharp-edged dismissal.

If you don't like Ms. Clinton's response on the matter, go huddle with Rand Paul.

[candelista]

49. That's exactly the kind of response that a future president should NOT give.

There are serious concerns here. Maybe the benefits outweigh the costs (seizures in 1/1000 cases), but these need to be discussed, not hidden or ridiculed.

[Hekate]

80. Oh, please. How about leadership? This is one of those times when pandering to The Stupid...

...is not good for the welfare of the public.

If you want pandering, you'll have to look elsewhere at the moment.

[ColesCountyDem]

35. What 'complex issues'?

Vaccination science is about as well-studied and well-understood as any aspect of medicine.

[candelista]

38. Siezures in one in 1000 cases.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/mmr-side-effects.aspx

[ColesCountyDem]

43. That's not a 'complex issue'.

1 in 1000 vaccinated children will have a seizure. 1 in 20 un-vaccinated children will experience a life-threatening illness, mainly pneumonia or encephalitis.

[candelista]

45. What is your source for this information?

Or did you just make it up?

[ColesCountyDem]

68. The CDC.

Read it and weep.

http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html

[IDemo]

36. If the disagreements are of the flat-Earth, creationist, anti-science type,

Then I wouldn't have a problem with a President making fun of them.

[candelista]

39. Is the UK National Health Service a "flat earth" organization?

Siezures in 1 in 1000 cases.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/mmr-side-effects.aspx

[geek tragedy]

46. The NHS doesn't say whether to vaccinate children is a complex subject

or one deserving of much debate.

here's what it actually says, as opposed to the shrill, fearmongering idiots on the anti-vaxxer side:

The MMR vaccine is very safe and most side effects are mild and short-lived.

...

There is a small chance of seizures (fits) occurring six to 11 days after having the MMR vaccine. It sounds alarming, but it's rare, and only happens in only about one in every 1,000 doses. In fact MMR-related seizures are less frequent than seizures that occur as a direct result of a measles infection.

More:

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccinations/Pages/benefits-and-risks.aspx

All medicines have side effects. However, vaccines are among the safest and the benefits of vaccinations far outweigh the risk of side effects.

[candelista]

48. That's what I put the link there.

Of course the NHS minimizes the risk, saying "only" 1 in 1000. But that's 1000 in a million, and a hundred thousand in a hundred million, which is a lot, and worth discussing, and not deserving of pre-emptive dismissal or ridicule.

[wordpix]

51. it's the mercury in the preservative that should be the issue, not the vaccine itself

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-thimerosal-color-office.pdf

[Hekate]

81. Wasn't that removed in 2000? Then later proven to be not the problem in the first place?

The British doctor who started the hysteria about thimerisol faked his research and was proven to be such a quack they took his license away. A great many studies have shown him to be wrong wrong wrong.

[greatlaurel]

54. 1 in 10 measles sufferers will get an ear infection that can lead to hearing loss. 1 in 20 will get

pneumonia. The odds of a severe complication in people are lots higher in measles sufferers than in people who get the MMR vaccine. Then lets throw in some other facts like how MMR has protected tens of thousands of children from birth defects by keeping their mothers from contracting rubella during pregnancies and the thousands of men who are not sterile due to getting mumps.

Go push your anti-vaccine somewhere else. You propaganda is endangering people.

[LeftyMom]

75. You're using misleading language here by not specifying febrile seizures.

They're normal in some babies and small children (roughly 5%) whenever any factor causes them to run a fever, thus the name of the condition. The tendency runs in families and is higher in some groups than others, so it's almost certainly genetic.

They're scary for parents who don't know what they are, but they're outgrown and have no lasting effects in terms of cognition, physical development or anything else.

Shots don't cause them. Shots can cause a slight fever, and kids who have febrile seizures have them when they're feverish.

They already have the underlying condition. It has no ill effects. It's no reason not to get one's shots.

[geek tragedy]

44. it's only complex to simpletons. Vaccines have saved millions upon millions of lives.

There is no doubt amongst any rational and reasonably educated human beings that vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella and polio are safe and vital to combatting dangerous diseases.

[candelista]

47. Everything, including vaccines, has its pros and cons.

They need to be discussed, not ridiculed. You are making a judgment that the benefits outweigh the costs. Perhaps you are right, but maybe not. Knee jerk support for the pronouncements of a politician is not a scientific position.

[geek tragedy]

50. No, it is not possible I am wrong about vaccines. Clinton is siding with medical science and

practice.

There is no credible objection to childhood vaccinations.

Those who disagree with Clinton are taking the anti-science, pro-childhood disease position.

Not complex. There is correct, and then there is unforgivably, idiotically wrong.

[greatlaurel]

53. Here you go here are some facts from the CDC for you. http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications

Common Complications

Common measles complications include ear infections and diarrhea.

Ear infections occur in about one out of every 10 children with measles and can result in permanent hearing loss.
Diarrhea is reported in less than one out of 10 people with measles.

Severe Complications

Some people may suffer from severe complications, such as pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and encephalitis (swelling of the brain). They may need to be hospitalized and could die.

As many as one out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.
About one child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and can leave the child deaf or mentally retarded.
For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.

Measles may cause pregnant woman to give birth prematurely, or have a low-birth-weight baby.

The Measles chapter of the Epidemiology and Prevention of Vaccine Preventable Diseases (Pink Book) describes measles complications in more depth.
Top of Page
Long-term Complications

Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) is a very rare, but fatal disease of the central nervous system that results from a measles virus infection acquired earlier in life. SSPE generally develops 7 to 10 years after a person has measles, even though the person seems to have fully recovered from the illness. Since measles was eliminated in 2000, SSPE is rarely reported in the United States.

Among people who contracted measles during the resurgence in the United States in 1989 to 1991, 4 to 11 out of every 100,000 were estimated to be at risk for developing SSPE. The risk of developing SSPE may be higher for a person who gets measles before they are two years of age. For more information, see Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE): MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia.

[greatlaurel]

55. You need to stop pushing your anti-vaccine propaganda. It is dangerous.

Your attacks on HRC who is standing up for the health and welfare of all people are absurd.

[candelista]

61. You need to stop mischaracterizing my remarks.

They are not "propaganda." They are based on a report by the UK NHS. There is a genuine issue here, and issues need to be discussed, not suppressed, as you seem to want to do out of loyalty to your candidate.

[greatlaurel]

65. Leaving out massive amount of factual information while focusing on one small issue is propaganda

Here is more from the UK NHS site that refute your anti vaccine propaganda.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Measles/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Complications of measles

Measles can lead to very serious complications that can sometimes be fatal. These include bacterial infection in the lungs (pneumonia) and the brain (encephalitis).

People most at risk of developing serious complications include babies younger than 12 months, children in poor health, teenagers and adults.

It's estimated that around one in every 5,000 people with measles will die as a result of a serious complication.

Read more about the complications of measles.

I would everyone to read the UK NHS site on the MMR vaccine and the measles, mumps and rubella diseases. It refutes your attempts to cherry pick a fact to use in your propaganda campaign.

Any parent who has talked to their pediatrician and read the vaccine fact sheets knows what the risks are and what to do if their child has an adverse reaction. Doctors and hospitals have effective protocols to deal with reactions. Furthermore, if a child has a terrible reaction to the vaccine would have an even more severe reaction to the full blown disease.

Please stop pedaling your anti science propaganda. It harms real people.

[Sunlei]

40. anti-vaccine republicans should resign or be impeached from office. Vaccine CORPS- should pay ful

pay full medical costs on any problems with their vaccines.

I believe it is the UK? where any problems due to vaccines, persons are cared for- for life- and compensated with a very large money payment. Paid for by the major vaccine Corps, same corps who profit off Americans.

[former9thward]

42. McCain, Obama, Clinton on the subject in 2008....

McCain, Obama, Clinton push dangerous vaccine-autism myth

Yet the vaccine-autism myth has been kept alive by celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, who pushed the theory in a book and on “Oprah” last year, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who made the case in an article for Rolling Stone and Salon.

McCain and Obama are the worst offenders. At a campaign stop in Texas in January, McCain, responding to a question from a mother of an autistic son, said: It’s indisputable that [autism] is on the rise among children, the question is what’s causing it. And we go back and forth and there’s strong evidence that indicates that it’s got to do with a preservative in vaccines.

At a rally in April in Pennsylvania, Obama said: We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included (referring to a person in the audience who'd asked him a question). The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.

When an autism advocacy group asked Clinton “Do you think vaccines should be investigated as a possible cause of autism?” she said she would fund further research into the question: I am committed to make investments to find the causes of autism, including possible environmental causes like vaccines. I have long been a supporter of increased research to determine the links between environmental factors and diseases, and I believe we should increase the NIH’s ability to engage in this type of research.

McCain, Obama and Clinton are wrong. There isn’t “strong evidence” that the rise in autism is linked to vaccines — the evidence says just the opposite. The science is not “inconclusive” — the science, in fact, has busted the myth. And there doesn’t need to be further funding to search for a “possible” link between autism and vaccines — the question has already been funded.

http://www.salon.com/2008/05/05/vaccine_pandering/

[proverbialwisdom]

58. 1 million individuals with autism in US, 70M worldwide: 60% of autism parents report an association.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-watch-04-09-2008/
http://www.autisminvestigated.com/us-news-betrays-bernadine-healy/

http://sharylattkisson.com/medical-vaccine-links/#CBS

Sorry. If you drilled down into the existing science, you'd temper your remarks.

MORE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026160996#post34
Pick it up at "...I always like to invoke the words of Jon Poling in these situations."

[candelista]

66. +1

Thanks for the links.

[dbackjon]

86. And we know a lot more about the lack of a link since then

Obviously both Obama and Clinton have evolved on the issue, with more real science behind them.

[former9thward]

87. Absolutely false.

The science was completely settled then. They were just trying to pander to the anti-vax crowd to get votes.

[dbackjon]

93. It wasn't until 2010-2011 that Wakefield was quashed by the British Medical Societ

[former9thward]

94. Please stop trying to cover for the pandering politicians.

The science was settled. Wakefield was not the god.

[Teutonic Samuel]

52. The entire state of Oklahoma just had a Stroke

Kansas has gone silent, too.

[workinclasszero]

71. Thanks Hillary

Teabaggers don't do reality. Keep pointing that fact out to the voters please.

Could you imagine one of those delusional nutcases in charge at the white house...

[Calista241]

73. Technically the earth is not round.

It is an oblate spheroid.

[joshcryer]

74. Yes, yet another faux pas by Clinton.

She needs her handlers to get her message on mark!

[IDemo]

77. I knew Mother Earth had a waistline, but I didn't bring it up in the OP

I didn't want to wind up being responsible for throwing the nomination for Hillary over a lapse like that.

[BadgerKid]

88. Technically the Earth is round

But is not a sphere.

[Calista241]

90. Touche good sir

[Hekate]

79. Go Hillary!

[Orsino]

82. The history's in, too, Madam Secretary. Your Wall Street Buddies are robbing us.

As long as we're acknowledging uncomfortable truths, please join us in this one.

[Hekate]

92. Oooooo, deflection from the conversation at hand.

Start another thread.

[Orsino]

96. Valuable perspective.

I would like to see more of Crusader Clinton, but she has troubling entanglements of her own to account for. Mockery may or may not be needed in return.