Green Party F@%k you!

[Cattledog]

This is what Trump has wrought...same as Hillary.

29 rules have been overturned

Flood building standards
Proposed ban on a potentially harmful pesticide
Freeze on new coal leases on public lands
Methane reporting requirement
Anti-dumping rule for coal companies
Decision on Keystone XL pipeline
Decision on Dakota Access pipeline
Third-party settlement funds
Offshore drilling ban in the Atlantic and Arctic
Ban on seismic air gun testing in the Atlantic
Northern Bering Sea climate resilience plan
Royalty regulations for oil, gas and coal
Inclusion of greenhouse gas emissions in environmental reviews
Permit-issuing process for new infrastructure projects
Green Climate Fund contributions
Mining restrictions in Bristol Bay, Alaska
Endangered species listings
Hunting ban on wolves and grizzly bears in Alaska
Protections for whales and sea turtles
Reusable water bottles rule for national parks
National parks climate order
Environmental mitigation for federal projects
Calculation for “social cost” of carbon
Planning rule for public lands
Copper filter cake listing as hazardous waste
Mine cleanup rule
Sewage treatment pollution regulations
Ban on use of lead ammunition on federal lands
Restrictions on fishing

24 rollbacks are in progress

Clean Power Plan
Paris climate agreement
Wetland and tributary protections
Car and truck fuel-efficiency standards
Status of 10 national monuments
Status of 12 marine areas
Limits on toxic discharge from power plants
Coal ash discharge regulations
Emissions standards for new, modified and reconstructed power plants
Emissions rules for power plant start-up and shutdown
Sage grouse habitat protections
Fracking regulations on public lands
Regulations on oil and gas drilling in some national parks
Oil rig safety regulations
Regulations for offshore oil and gas exploration by floating vessels
Drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge
Hunting method regulations in Alaska
Requirement for tracking emissions on federal highways
Emissions standards for trailers and glider kits
Limits on methane emissions on public lands
Permitting process for air-polluting plants
Offshore oil and gas leasing
Use of birds in subsistence handicrafts
Coal dust rule

7 rollbacks are in limbo

Methane emission limits at new oil and gas wells
Limits on landfill emissions
Mercury emission limits for power plants
Hazardous chemical facility regulations
Groundwater protections for uranium mines
Efficiency standards for federal buildings
Rule helping consumers buy fuel-efficient tires

Source:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/climate/trump-environment-rules-reversed.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[Frustratedlady]

1. Criminal! Where's Stein? Visiting Russia? eom

[still_one]

2. Jill Stein should be considered persona non grata here

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

4. I'm pretty sure she is.

I've not seen a kind word about her here at least since the election, and I'm not sure I saw praise of her before then.

But people here really need to stop obsessing about her. She is not the reason Hillary isn't our President. Really, she's not.

[DanTex]

21. Were you here before the election? There were plenty of kind words for her.

The Green Party has now thrown two presidential elections to the GOP. It's a little strange that you are here defending them and criticizing people for taking the Green Party to task.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

23. Yes, I was here before the election.

And I'm not defending her. I was a strong Bernie Sanders supporter who remains very disappointed that he didn't get the nomination. But I voted for Hillary.

The reason Hillary Clinton isn't President today is that we have this ridiculous Electoral College thing, not Jill Stein or anyone else. It made sense back in the 18th century, but no longer does. Blame the guys who wrote the Constitution.

[DanTex]

27. Of course the electoral college is ridiculous. So is the senate.

But those things require constitutional amendments to change.

The Green Party not throwing elections to the GOP only requires some idiots to get their heads out of their asses.

The Green Party and anyone else who spouted the lie that there's no difference between the parties shares complicity in the outcome of the last election. And if you didn't see that lie being spread all over DU before the election, you really weren't paying attention.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

29. My recollection was that it wasn't as common as you recall.

And anyone who tried to say there is no difference between the parties invariably got shut down in some way or another. Not necessarily tombstoned, and not necessarily having posts removed, but there was always plenty of pushback.

Again, if you look at the numbers Hillary didn't lose because of Jill Stein or any other third party candidate. Well, she did lose the EC in several states because Gary Johnson took more votes than the margin of her loss. People here should be complaining at least as bitterly about him.

[DanTex]

31. Holding the Green Party responsible for its actions is important.

There isn't just one reason why Hillary lost. The Green Party was one cause, but there were several others. The more important thing is, consistently, for two decades now, they have helped the GOP win elections, pushing the false narrative that both parties are the same, and pretending that they care about progressive policies.

There's no way to know for sure what would have happened if the Greens and Bernie or Bust people, instead of campaigning against Hillary (and therefore in favor of Trump), had instead campaigned for her and against Trump. Based on how close the election was, it seems likely to me that without the support of the Green Party, Trump wouldn't have won. But even if that's not the case, it's still worth pointing out that the Greens are allies of the GOP, because there are many people who don't understand that.

As far as Gary Johnson, it's not clear that he pulls more Ds than Rs, probably the other way around. And more to the point, he doesn't claim to support progressive policies, only then do everything in his power to help the GOP, like the Greens do. But sure, if you want, go ahead and start an OP taking Gary Johnson to task.

[ProudLib72]

5. I've been using "Jill Stein" as a verb

It means to con your supporters into giving you money for a bullshit cause, taking that money and hiding in your own account. For example, Moore is Jill Steining his supporters right now because he wants to investigate for election fraud in the race he lost.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. She should be persona non grata at Green Party too. She supported opposite of Green-ness. . nt

[oasis]

3. That'd be Jill Stein and her clueless crew of attention hounds. nt

[Dr Hobbitstein]

6. Someone alerted on this.

Must've caused some serious butthurt for a (deeply misguided) Stein fan.

[GulfCoast66]

7. I concur. The hurt may get worse in a few minutes.

[Demsrule86]

17. I don't get why some here think Stein is protected...it has been made very clear that she is not.

[Susan Calvin]

8. Also Our Revolution, for as long as

they are sending me emails signed by Sarandon. I was just considering joining when that happened.

[Demsrule86]

18. Our revolution support Republicans...think they are supporting the one running in a primary in

Jersey because the Dems didn't sob sob support her.

[Susan Calvin]

20. Oh really. Well, that's the end of me considering them.

I have supported a few Republicans in my life, but I'm sure they could be counted on the fingers of one hand, and this is since, let me count, 1970.

Anyone who is still a Republican at this point in time, given its trajectory since at least the Reagan years, does not deserve support by any progressive. If they are good people, let them switch to some other party. The Democratic party, unless they live in a place where a third party is not a spoiler.

[czarjak]

9. If it was rigged as someone kept insisting...

The outcome wouldn't have changed.

[Demsrule86]

19. No, there was enough Stein votes to have swung the election to Stein.

And if you look where she spent time and money...Stein picked those areas...so fuck her and anyone who voted for the useless lying person...and she took money from Democrats for her fake recount too.

[democratisphere]

10. There is absolutely nothing "Green" about Jill Stein.

She's just another political fraud.

[world wide wally]

12. Green?

Or mean?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Grinch: Green and mean. . . nt

[RhodeIslandOne]

13. But they just couldnt trust her!

She could have done all these things too, you know!

[sunonmars]

15. Green Party or Russian Funded Interference divide and conquer party.

[dalton99a]

16. Seconded

[Aristus]

22. Waste of time. The "Hillary is just the same" crowd will never repent.

Their sense of critical judgement is so stunted, not even Harry Potter-levels of magic could bring it back...

[LiberalFighter]

26. Rather than trying to get them to think right.

Just attack them verbally anytime they try to creep out.

[LiberalFighter]

24. Going to post this to my Facebook page.

[LiberalFighter]

25. And this is just the EPA. Doesn't include other agencies.

[bottomofthehill]

28. Please always remember

There is no difference between Mrs Clinton and the Donald. That is what we were told by the Greens. I am willing to bet that these were not Clinton priorities. There was clearly a lesser of two evils ( and I saw very little evil in Mrs Clinton) but for those who saw more evil in her than I did, REMEMBER THIS, there is a lesser of two evils. Wasting your votes helped bring us the greater of the two evils and look where we are now

[Susan Calvin]

30. Exactly. nt

[Gothmog]

32. K&R

[Scurrilous]

33. K&R