Why is media describing the tax scam bill as a "win" for Chump if it has only 26% approval?

[MoonRiver]

Seems like this is a major fail for the dimwit.

[chaking53]

1. Because it is what billionaires want and that is all that matters to them

[MoonRiver]

3. It's still an illogical statement.

[Greybnk48]

10. I agree with you, MoonRiver.

My husband and I were puzzling over the same question yesterday. How can this be a "win" for Trump or the Republicans when the American public is almost universally against it?

What is does is PROVE that Citizen's United has allowed for politicians to be blackmailed by their big donors. The politicians that would NOT be re-elected without lots of "pay to play" cash. It's a win for Sheldon Adelson, the Koch brothers, and a few others who threatened to pull their financial support unless they got what they payed for.

So, essentially, we have no representation in Washington because they don't serve us. It's a win for their masters.

[MoonRiver]

40. Yes, just like gun control, which the majority of Americans want.

[DFW]

2. Because he gets what HE wants

Trump has made it pretty clear that what the country wants is of no import to him. But he will save money under this bill, so he wins. The media, even the pro-Trump media, hasn't said the majority of Americans win (we don't). They just said he wins. And, after all, that's all he cares about. When they find out what has been done to them, those cheering coal miners will NOT be standing next to Trump again for THIS bill signing.

[MoonRiver]

4. And the pretzel twisting continues.

[DFW]

18. We ain't seen nuttin' yet.

That's my bet, anyway.

[treestar]

5. I would think just because he wants it to happen

To the Orange Spoiled-Brat, getting what he wants is the only standard.

Especially if it is bad for anyone else!

[MoonRiver]

6. But the truth is that bill will come back to bite his pasty white fat arse.

Not what I call a "win."

[treestar]

7. If it passes, I hope so

When people see what happens on their tax returns. And a lot of people don't like deficits, which it could cause.

[mucifer]

8. I think people will be fooled because in the first year or two they will get a tax break

Lots of people don't pay attention to the future and don't pay attention to the fact that the billionaires get so much more than they do.

[MoonRiver]

9. It wouldn't have 26% approval if people were that fooled.

[Hoyt]

14. I think you are right. Most people earning under $150,000 or so, are going to get more money in

their paychecks. They aren't going to see the bad things in this legislation and they are going to wonder what all the griping was about. The "compromise" does remove some of the House and Senate bill's most onerous aspects affecting the majority of people directly.

During those few years, it's going to be difficult to explain the bad parts of the tax plan to most people.

Trump and GOPers needed to pass some piece of major legislation, they got it at the risk of increasing the debt and having to cut important programs like Medicare and Medicaid to reign in the debt (they created). It's a joke, but most people won't look past the extra money in their paycheck.


[Note: I say this risking another hide for "spreading right wing talking points."]

[SHRED]

21. Yup...it's underhanded and criminal in my opinion

[onenote]

11. If it had been defeated would you want the media to describe it as a win for him?

[MoonRiver]

19. Huh? They don't have to spin it any way. It is what it is.

[onenote]

20. So was it wrong for the media to call the enactment of the ACA a win for Obama?

Trump wanted the tax bill. He got the tax bill. That makes it a win for him. It's really not that complicated a concept.

[MoonRiver]

22. Maybe it was. I think what the people support should amount to something

in the media's assessment.

[onenote]

25. It should count in an assessment of whether its a win for the people

The tax bill is a win for some people, not a win for most. And definitely a win for Trump.

[MoonRiver]

28. Yes, and hence the 26% approval.

Maybe people aren't as stupid as the GOP thinks.

[chowder66]

12. Because they forget about the american people and only see Repubs vs. Dems on the hill.

And that is what the republicans do, they are in it for themselves, for the win without consideration of a nation.

[dlk]

13. This is How Propaganda Works

In the world of profit-based media, facts frequently fall by the wayside in service to making more money.

[democratisphere]

15. The tax shill will add more outrage and fuel to the drumpf inferno of our democracy.

The media loves this sh't.

[spanone]

16. because the real goal is to score wins, not help people.

[tymorial]

17. Because it is going to make money for the people who line the GOPs pockets.

[underpants]

23. He has no legislative success of any real kind so far

and the media must have two sides for there to be a contest. This is why they keep the Republicans alive (they were almost completely OVER in 2006).

If this were to fail, Trump would almost be a lame duck before his first year was finished. The bill is unpopular and he is teetering on 30% approval himself which in a real world would signal his complete inability to govern.

He's a disaster but they need two sides in the fight.

[Spider Jerusalem]

24. Because it's the first piece of major legislation he promised to get through that's going to pass?

[Pope George Ringo II]

32. Yup. Passing a kidney stone would be progress at the rate he's going.

[workinclasszero]

26. Because the billionaires and their corporations that own the news media in America

LIKE IT would be my guess.

[janterry]

27. Recent polls see an uptick in Republican Congress Favorability

because of that

[MoonRiver]

29. Link?

[janterry]

34. here's what I read

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/16/politics/tax-reform-republican-congress-approval/index.html

[still_one]

30. Every poll I have seen indicates a record low favorability. As for this tax bill, when those who

itemize deduction find out that personal exemptions have been eliminated, and this so-called tax break, not only doesn't provide a tax cut to them, but in many cases they will be paying a lot more tax then they do now, I wonder how they will feel then.

In 2019, when the mandate goes away, along with the subsidies and expanded Medicaid, let's see how thrilled the idiots who voted for these assholes feel about it.

When the truth that tax breaks do NOT motivate companies to hire people is realized, and the deficit swings higher out of control, where will they be when they have to find where funding pay for the deficit comes from?

Tax breaks to corporations do NOT motivate companies to hire people, and never have. Demand for products and services is what motivates companies to hire people, not tax breaks

Sorry folks, but the country is getting exactly what it asked for, and a lot of people are going to be paying for it for a long time unless 2018 stops the insanity

[janterry]

33. here are some data points

here:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/16/politics/tax-reform-republican-congress-approval/index.html

[still_one]

37. I believe you left off a small detail in you original posts. "Among GOP voters"

[janterry]

38. I did

sorry! I was thinking that as I wrote Republican Congress. But I didn't write it........

[still_one]

39. no problem, just trying to put it in perspective. Thanks

[Cicada]

31. Because it gets 90% approval with the donor employers of Repubs

Repubs don’t work for those they represent. They work for their donors. Sometimes they worry about those who might vote in a primary challenging them as not extreme enough. But mostly? They are the paid help of donors.

[shanny]

35. toddler in chief will get to play with his crayons

and sign something. in front of cameras historic! bigly

[Takket]

36. It also is mot a "win" because it isn't the tax plan he ran on