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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsReal Truth. GOP Wants To Abolish Social Security?Medicare Immediately. Stop The Checks.
What the GOP really wants to do is stop both programs immediately. Just stop it in its tracks. Either way they will kill it slowly or as quickly as possible. They just want to get rid of seniors who are taking too much. Plus they view those paycheck deductions as money for more tax cuts. There is no commitment to give any senior anything even if they paid for it.
There are two reasons. One is that they frame these programs as welfare for political gain. Secondly, they are telling the younger generation that seniors are stealing your money. Those memes allow them to mislead by saying that these programs will not exist for anyone under 55 by the time they are done.
Fundamentally the GOP believes that health care should be pay as you go and that only the richest should have it like everything else. There is an "entitlement of the rich" mentality within the GOP that will never change as long as they exist. We are seeing their agenda and their plan on steroids right now with this tax scam.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)this presidency is our result of what happened.
They also want people who cant afford healthcare to go without and die so we stop using THEIR resources.
They are proud that their ancestors murdered Native Americans to get the resources and they damn sure dont want to share them.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Yes, I will be suing if they try to take one damn penny!
All of the people killed by Hitler and Pol Pot would be a drop in the bucket to how many would die if they cut the social safety net out completely! That is the truth, let that sink in!
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Eradication of useless eaters who take what the 1% perceives as their money.
avebury
(10,952 posts)I wonder if States could go after them?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)This is money that has been taken out of our paychecks our entire lives to ensure our security in old age. How dare they call it an entitlement? We worked for that money. It belongs to us.
toddwv
(2,830 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)How many people don't understand the meaning?
It means we are ENTITLED to it..
That's what the word means.
The fuckers have changed the meaning to something evil and selfish..
They did the same thing with the word 'democrats.'
aggiesal
(8,918 posts)We ARE entitled to this money.
They're trying to make the word entitlement negative.
We made a social contract that we would put money into Social Security on the premise
that the government would take care of it and we would get it back when we reach retirement age.
When anyone ever mentions to you that this is an entitlement, just say HELL YES, it's an
entitlement, it's my money and I'm entitled to it. This is not welfare!!!
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)They will penalize future generations and they will cut back on present-day recipients.
They aren't going to just stop. They are idiots, but not that politically stupid.
FWIW, hyperbole like this is not useful.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)No way the GOP would vote to end these programs. They would cease to exist.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)However having said the above the GOP would really just want to end it abruptly. Seniors are too complacent or ignorant about what they are doing. We will see seniors whose care will end and the MSM will stay silent on it.
Johnny2X2X
(19,067 posts)That is what they'd like to do, but they'll sell it as phasing it out. But make no mistake about it, they'd stop the checks today if they could get away wit it.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)They "mine" us for money - anything we have they see as natural resources to be exploited.
George II
(67,782 posts)....on what do you base this?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)I can remember when I was in my early 20's, co-workers saying SS wouldn't be around for us. The lie that SS is unsustainable has been out there basically since the program started, and if people are willing to believe that it won't be there down the road, then it's real easy to cut it or shut it down entirely.
Another thing to understand is that it is a pay as you go program. The money I paid in when I was young went to people then retired. The money young people currently pay in is going to me and others on SS. But that's not the old stealing from the young. It's how it works. Meanwhile I wonder how much money, how many billions of dollars go into black box programs (or whatever they're called) that aren't even shown in the budget. Or military spending. Or all of the profits so many companies make that go totally untaxed even before this new tax bill.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)No, they'll have to be a bit more subtle than that.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)We are dealing with a Goddamned vicious monster in the GOP. They have already done serious damage since Reagan. The sooner seniors understand and revolt the better. Wait until the New Year. You are dealing with a bunch of murderous vicious pricks. The tax scam should be enough. They will even cut off veterans from THEIR care in the end.