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sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 02:40 PM Dec 2017

Straight from the horses mouth: What the Roy Moore horseback footage reveals

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When horses have their ears back, it means that they feel threatened. I don’t feel good in this situation, such ears say. I really don’t feel safe. Out of respect for a creature dignified enough to not throw her human to the ground, I’ll henceforth refer to Moore’s mare as S. rather than Sassy, because that name, and Moore’s giving of it to her, makes me feel like I’m corroborating his misogyny. (And on a sidenote, what kind of person rides a horse named Sassy to go vote for himself?) In the video from the polling station, S. has her ears pinned back the entire time. On social media, some people have pointed out that the horse is probably frightened by the cameras and the crowds, and that is why S. has her ears pinned. Absolutely valid. But here’s the thing: there is a kind of horse that can be ridden safely into a maddening crowd. It’s called a stick horse. They’re roughly 29 inches long, and they’re usually made out of wood. Using any other kind of horse in a volatile situation necessitates a willing steed, an accomplished rider, or — ideally — both.

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In addition to the riders’ natural “aids” (the way in which a rider uses their leg, seat, hands and voice to communicate intention), bridled horses have a metal bar in their mouths called a “bit” that allows the rider (with the assistance of the attached reins) to positively reinforce good behavior, or to correct unwanted acts. Horses move away from pressure. If you apply pressure to the horse with your right leg, for example, he will move away from it, to the left. If you pull on your reins, this moves the position of the bit inside of the horse’s mouth to a place that is uncomfortable for them. Good riders use their reins sparingly — whether they want their mount to slow down, turn, or halt, they will use their legs and seat to achieve this result first. For respectable equestrians, pulling on the reins is a shameful, last resort.


Watch the video of mounted Moore again. If you’ve grasped the way a bit works, you’ll understand that Moore has chosen to respond to his horse’s distress signals by making her feel worse. He is quite literally yanking on the reins with his arms way up in the air, a nonsensical hand position which would only compound the pain of a jerked bit. Add to this the fact that Moore has tacked her with what looks like a Tom Thumb bit — a notoriously harsh bit designed for increased leverage action, which will amplify, tenfold, any pressure exerted on it by a rider. When the reins are yanked with a Tom Thumb bit attached, the mouthpiece can bend in its jointed middle and slam into the roof of the horse’s mouth, which is as excruciating as it sounds.

Read More; https://medium.com/@cmaum/straight-from-the-horses-mouth-what-the-roy-moore-horseback-footage-reveals-25df60400358

You can easily judge a persons character by the way they treat animals. Moore treated his mare viciously and inflicted her with needless pain without a care. She tried to tell him, with ears pinned that she was uncomfortable and frightened...he ignored her signal of distress. No doubt in my mind that he treated young girls the same way.

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Straight from the horses mouth: What the Roy Moore horseback footage reveals (Original Post) sheshe2 Dec 2017 OP
The republican pedophile rides like a drunken russian cossack Achilleaze Dec 2017 #1
Cossacks were notoriously good horsemen. Bite your tongue.. Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #71
Even when drunk? Achilleaze Dec 2017 #72
He's not a cossack... Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #73
Cucksack maybe? LOL machoneman Dec 2017 #74
The fact that he's on a gaited horse and still can't ride, says it all. procon Dec 2017 #2
The video of him on the horse @ a trot tells me he can't ride that well Botany Dec 2017 #68
sits in the saddle MrsMatt Dec 2017 #3
It might be easier to sit Runningdawg Dec 2017 #4
That's gibraltar72 Dec 2017 #6
Well said! Demoiselle Dec 2017 #22
Mika said right away on Morning Joe madaboutharry Dec 2017 #5
I haven't ridden in decades, but even a beginner like me could tell that. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #7
I don't blame her in the least. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #9
Yes,she WAS angry. She also said that this was abuse and that she hoped someone would buy the horse! PearliePoo2 Dec 2017 #35
I am with you PearliePoo. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #44
What is stopping her from doing so? misanthrope Dec 2017 #49
I heard Mika and I agreed with everything she said Rhiannon12866 Dec 2017 #66
I wish Sassy had dumped him on his ass. n/t GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #8
And then... sheshe2 Dec 2017 #10
Or,... GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #12
Aaaah... sheshe2 Dec 2017 #13
You mean his toy gun, correct? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #16
That, too. n/t GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #18
His tiny widdle pisssssssssstal. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #46
Not to mention, that some city sanitation worker will have to clean up the horseshit Blindingly apparent Dec 2017 #11
I've no doubt he sees himself this way... Buns_of_Fire Dec 2017 #14
That's not the first young filly he's spooked Brother Buzz Dec 2017 #15
I am the daughter of a REAL cowboy. hamsterjill Dec 2017 #17
Moore's body language and actions betray his fear misanthrope Dec 2017 #51
He's using the reins like bicycle handlebars uppityperson Dec 2017 #62
I just found this a few days ago Corgigal Dec 2017 #19
Beauty in motion. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #21
A pas de deux n/t sarge43 Dec 2017 #28
That was beautiful...magnificent. Duppers Dec 2017 #27
Thank you for sharing that! geardaddy Dec 2017 #32
I don't know about Horses but.... yuiyoshida Dec 2017 #40
Those were magnificent. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #47
you're welcome yuiyoshida Dec 2017 #48
Mercy at the acceleration DeltaLitProf Dec 2017 #54
Truly a thing of beauty! That moment at about the 50 sec mark... ret5hd Dec 2017 #61
Spine tingling! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #76
That whole thing just confused the hell out of me TlalocW Dec 2017 #20
Close elections are decided on small percentages. fescuerescue Dec 2017 #64
Most Western horses are trained to neck rein. TygrBright Dec 2017 #23
Your sign off, Bright.... sheshe2 Dec 2017 #25
The problem is not fooled Dec 2017 #75
I got to ride a retired quarterhorse and it was amazing uppityperson Dec 2017 #63
Hope this lovely horse can go to a good home cp Dec 2017 #24
I agree, cp. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #26
We should express our thoughts where that asshole Duppers Dec 2017 #29
Moore is all hat and no cattle. A walking lie. Like tRump. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #30
Sassy was the name of a teen girl magazine in the 80's-90's - so of course he named nadine_mn Dec 2017 #31
Moore's like Clint Eastwood in that sense - but much worse. sandensea Dec 2017 #33
That is an extremely coherent take on this. byronius Dec 2017 #34
Sassy? FreeWheatForever Dec 2017 #36
I am just a layman... Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #37
Just another over sized jackass on what seems to be a very good well-trained horse. I bet he runs.. marble falls Dec 2017 #38
Moore's riding ability is a joke... mudstump Dec 2017 #39
Basic horsemanship is the same across all disciplines Bayard Dec 2017 #41
This is how its supposed to look....... Bayard Dec 2017 #42
Absolutely magnificent!! mantis49 Dec 2017 #52
They are one and in sync. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #53
... Duppers Dec 2017 #43
Horses are amazing animals everyone should know one in their life scarytomcat Dec 2017 #45
He is not just a pedophile sheshe2 Dec 2017 #50
😪. I hope we find out someone rescued her. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #78
Surely a complaint can be made to the Humane Society or to the local police DeltaLitProf Dec 2017 #55
in Alabama, it's not cowboys who ride horse. It's the KKK robbedvoter Dec 2017 #56
This. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #58
Very good point. yardwork Dec 2017 #70
Love the picture with this article ribrepin Dec 2017 #57
Before HP did an update on my computer.... it was easy. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #59
Thanks, but I tried that and it didn't work. ribrepin Dec 2017 #60
Here you go: Rhiannon12866 Dec 2017 #65
Thank you ribrepin Dec 2017 #81
Remember this JimBeard Dec 2017 #67
I thought S got scared Soxfan58 Dec 2017 #69
Keep the Albatross around the neck of homegirl Dec 2017 #77
It's high time for Rootin' Tootin' Cowboy Roy... alterfurz Dec 2017 #79
I noticed that right away....nt 2naSalit Dec 2017 #80

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. The fact that he's on a gaited horse and still can't ride, says it all.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 02:55 PM
Dec 2017

These breeds have such a smooth, soft motion, it's like sitting on a rocking horse. There's no bounce, no need to be a skilled rider or expert horseman, but Moore is terrified he might fall off and the videos show him riding awkwardly stiff legged with his arms akimbo.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
68. The video of him on the horse @ a trot tells me he can't ride that well
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:46 AM
Dec 2017

It has been years but you kind of sit up and forward and go w/the motion of
the animal at a trot. Roy just sat there and bounced up and down.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
5. Mika said right away on Morning Joe
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:11 PM
Dec 2017

On election morning, that she is an experienced rider, and that Moore doesn't know how to ride a horse. She seemed angry.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
7. I haven't ridden in decades, but even a beginner like me could tell that.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:20 PM
Dec 2017

I couldn't stand to watch the videos of him. The poor horses always had their heads pulled back toward their necks, because that sack of crap held the reins way too tight. I am sure it was hell on their mouths.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
9. I don't blame her in the least.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:21 PM
Dec 2017

As the article here states, he treated that horse with vicious cruelty and caused her needless pain.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
35. Yes,she WAS angry. She also said that this was abuse and that she hoped someone would buy the horse!
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 04:45 PM
Dec 2017

Man, this STILL pisses me off.
I'd like to put a bit in Moore's mouth and yank on it until his bloody teeth fell out.

Rhiannon12866

(205,521 posts)
66. I heard Mika and I agreed with everything she said
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:10 AM
Dec 2017

I grew up riding, as well - and the way he was trying to ride that lovely horse appeared not just inexperienced, but downright abusive.

11. Not to mention, that some city sanitation worker will have to clean up the horseshit
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:22 PM
Dec 2017

Shows his lack of regard for the people beneath him

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
17. I am the daughter of a REAL cowboy.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:33 PM
Dec 2017

My father, who passed away in 2010 at the age of 95, was a real cowboy. By that, I mean that he earned his living running a ranch and training horses and dogs.

If anyone had ever ridden a horse in the presence of my father in the way that Roy Moore rode that horse and yanked that bridle, that person would have been given a good talking to, and banned from ever riding one of my dad's horses again. The way Sassy was handled by Moore was cruel and unnecessary. Just another crazy-assed Evangelical who doesn't believe that animals have any rights much less a soul. He should be charged with animal cruelty.

misanthrope

(7,418 posts)
51. Moore's body language and actions betray his fear
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 06:30 PM
Dec 2017

He's uncomfortable on the horse and afraid of falling. That's why he's not using his legs properly and pulling on the reins for balance.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
19. I just found this a few days ago
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:38 PM
Dec 2017

2 year old American Pharoah, who went on to win the triple crown, at two years old. Watch that tiny young lady give this horse the go and watch her skill. I'm in awe of her, I'm not sure she ever will be a jockey but this is understanding a horse when they are peak.


DeltaLitProf

(769 posts)
54. Mercy at the acceleration
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 08:31 PM
Dec 2017

At one point it looked like the jockey threw down the throttle and American Pharoah just took off like a comet.

ret5hd

(20,499 posts)
61. Truly a thing of beauty! That moment at about the 50 sec mark...
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 11:30 PM
Dec 2017

when he just breaks loose is so awe inspiring!

TlalocW

(15,384 posts)
20. That whole thing just confused the hell out of me
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:40 PM
Dec 2017

First, I don't get why he's dressing like a cowboy to begin with. I understand that it's traditionally a symbol of manliness, but it's not a common outfit you see in the south, is it? To me it would be like, instead of the cowboy, Vikings had conquered the West, and furry shoulder pads and helmets with horns (I know they didn't really have horned helmets) were the traditional garb, and a southerner dressed up like that.

Secondly, there is a very small percentage of people who are going to change their vote the day of because you rode a quadruped to the voting station. You're not impressing anyone.

Thirdly, just how bad he was at riding it. If you don't have 100% confidence in your abilities, you should not be placing a horse into the middle of a group of people - you're torturing the horse, and you're putting the people in danger.

Fourthly, and maybe I'm the only one, but his having to bend over to adjust the stirrup on his right leg seemed strange.

TlalocW

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
64. Close elections are decided on small percentages.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 02:06 AM
Dec 2017

Bottom line is he did it because it would make people talk about him. Like we are doing here.

Talk means name recognition and name recognition turns into votes.

Even if it means 0.1% bump, elections have been decides on much much less.

To bad for him. he needed alot more horses

TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
23. Most Western horses are trained to neck rein.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:55 PM
Dec 2017

I learned to ride English, so it was a little confusing for me when I first tried Western. As noted above, horses will naturally move away from pressure. To neck rein, you lay the rein against the side of the neck, apply light knee pressure on the same side, and the horse will turn in the other direction.

From the appearance and gait of that poor horse, she's a very well-bred and trained Western horse, possibly with some kind of competition experience. If, so, it's unlikely the crowds were what was spooking her.

A well-trained Western horse ridden by a competent rider shows an almost motionless unity, with the horse moving fluidly on the basis of very little apparent motion from the rider. Reins are kept relatively short in order to neck rein, but NOT tight, as pressure on the horse's mouth will confuse and irritate it.

I have no idea where or how that sleazeball got hold of a nice horse, but he really shouldn't be allowed to abuse her like that... sawing at the reins, elbows akimbo, legs stiff, stirrups out.... yeeesh.

disgustedly,
Bright

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
25. Your sign off, Bright....
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 04:02 PM
Dec 2017
disgustedly, is correct, exactly the way I feel. He should arrested for cruelty to animals. The video tells you all you need to know about his character.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
75. The problem is
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 01:52 PM
Dec 2017

horses can't readily express discomfort vocally. They can neigh or grunt when in extreme danger but don't vocalize as a matter of course when in pain. If horses could scream every time an asshole abuses them, people wouldn't be so casual about committing animal cruelty towards them.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
63. I got to ride a retired quarterhorse and it was amazing
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 01:38 AM
Dec 2017

Id think about turning and we'd be turning. That was a really fun horse to ride with.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
29. We should express our thoughts where that asshole
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 04:15 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Fri Dec 15, 2017, 05:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Could see them. In the Gadsden, Alabama newspaper Letters to the Editor:

http://www.gadsdentimes.com/opinion/letters

It couldn't hurt. Tell that bible thumping idiot exactly how he mistreating that poor horse.

Thanks.



nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
31. Sassy was the name of a teen girl magazine in the 80's-90's - so of course he named
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 04:21 PM
Dec 2017

his horse that...poor horse

My cousin does barrel racing -and she was disgusted with how he rode that poor horse

Doug Jones should have gotten the horse as part of his win

sandensea

(21,639 posts)
33. Moore's like Clint Eastwood in that sense - but much worse.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 04:38 PM
Dec 2017

Eastwood, of course, is closely associated with horsemanship mainly on account of his early film roles in Westerns.

In reality though, he wasn't very patient with them at all, and was known to sometimes punch a horse in the mouth if it became stubborn - which they usually were around him due to his hostile attitude.

But image is everything for Republicans.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
37. I am just a layman...
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 04:56 PM
Dec 2017

And even I could see that horse was distressed, and that Judge Roy Moore didn't have the first fucking clue what he was doing on that horse's back. I was shocked when I found out that this is a horse he owns. That poor horse nearly ran that bastard out into the woods and bucked him off, and I wish to God he had.

That is always the tell: How do you treat animals, and how do they treat you? Animals don't understand and don't buy into spin and bullshit. They know you're a malevolent dick immediately. You cannot hide that from them. Their very survival depends on it. At the same time, if you love and appreciate animals, you already know that they know this about you. And you know that if you're not threatened by them, you can be kind to them, and they will be kind to you in return a thousand times.



marble falls

(57,106 posts)
38. Just another over sized jackass on what seems to be a very good well-trained horse. I bet he runs..
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 04:58 PM
Dec 2017

his cars into the ground, too. He's certainly bungled his way through his relationships. Typical bully-boy.

mudstump

(342 posts)
39. Moore's riding ability is a joke...
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 05:17 PM
Dec 2017

He's using a long shanked gag type bit which intensifies the severity of the bit when the reins are pulled. Any experienced equestrian could tell immediately that Moore is no cowboy. He's a cowboy wannabe.

Bayard

(22,100 posts)
41. Basic horsemanship is the same across all disciplines
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 05:28 PM
Dec 2017

I ride dressage, but the same goes for western, saddle seat, hunt seat. or anything else. You want your aids--which are the cues you give to the horse to tell it what to do--to be pretty much invisible. If you're riding correctly with seat and legs, the reins become almost superfluous. A western bit (what Moore uses), has a much longer shank (the sides of the bit), so that there is more leverage. The idea being that you don't have to make these huge ugly moves with the reins, because a western trained horse is taught to back off the more severe bit. A bit sits on the "bars" inside a horses mouth. Its an empty space--no teeth there, where the bit should rest comfortably for them. Some western folks ride in a hackamore, which is a bitless bridle.

If a horse is ridden correctly, its not tossing its head and "hollowing" its back. Again, this is thru the use of seat and legs. Their back will actually come up to meet your seat, as you see in the video of the girl breezing the Thoroughbred on the track. Although she's in "2 point" position (out of the saddle and balanced on your 2 feet and your legs). A swishing tail and pinned ears are also a big sign of a pissed off or uncomfortable horse. Bucking usually follows.

Moore should not even be allowed to go in a barn.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
45. Horses are amazing animals everyone should know one in their life
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 06:05 PM
Dec 2017

this asshole was riding a pinto pony (I would doubt it was gaited) with a western saddle and a severe bit (so I'm told)
he had no clue how to handle the animal
he was much to big for the animal
his feet are not in position to talk to the animal and he is jerking on the reins which appear to be English
he is a complete clown
I am not a horse expert but I had the great pleasure of riding a little and took a few lesson in English in my teens

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
50. He is not just a pedophile
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 06:28 PM
Dec 2017

He abused that beautiful animal causing her pain and terrifying her. He seemed to take delight in doing so.

I grew up in the country and we had horses, two...one Western and one English. I road Western and never saw a more inept rider. I wish she had bucked him, though I believe if she had he would have put her down.

We see ya Roy...we know what you are.

DeltaLitProf

(769 posts)
55. Surely a complaint can be made to the Humane Society or to the local police
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 08:33 PM
Dec 2017

Abuse of animals shouldn't just be let go because their supposed owners are ex-judges and ex-GOP candidates.

ribrepin

(1,726 posts)
57. Love the picture with this article
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 09:03 PM
Dec 2017

Sassy has #me too tattooed on her hind flank.
Wish I knew how to image to DU.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
59. Before HP did an update on my computer.... it was easy.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 09:16 PM
Dec 2017

Now I can't...you should be able to do this.

Right click the image. You will see a drop down hit copy. Go to DU or wherever click and then hit paste image.

 

JimBeard

(293 posts)
67. Remember this
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:44 AM
Dec 2017


I didn't catch the hymn singing in the background at the end of the clip until I had made the post.

homegirl

(1,429 posts)
77. Keep the Albatross around the neck of
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 02:06 PM
Dec 2017

It's important to keep the albatross of Roy Moore's failed bid for the Senate firmly around the necks of every Republican and conservative who not only supported his candidacy, but defended him from credible allegations of child molestation.

It hasn't even been a week since the election, and the prior "vote for Roy Moore!" crowd are now furiously pretending that that his failure to secure Jeff Sessions's old seat is no biggie. Not so fast.


alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
79. It's high time for Rootin' Tootin' Cowboy Roy...
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

...to ride off into the sunset now, and on a far more suitable steed:

#saveSassy

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