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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 11:19 AM Dec 2017

Just a friendly reminder: Robert Mueller is not your trained monkey.

He's got his own timetable and he's going to work accordingly.

So far he's nabbed the former Trump campaign manager and an associate, and flipped two individuals associated with Donald Trump, including his former National Security Advisor.

He's not blowing smoke.

There will be more indictments. With the information that Flynn has likely provided him, this will become a family matter for Donald Trump very soon.

But he's going to work on his own terms. So let him work.

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Just a friendly reminder: Robert Mueller is not your trained monkey. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 OP
It is so sad that people fall for the clickbait. Something's gonna happen today! Click Here! FSogol Dec 2017 #1
It wasn't just click bait. Reputable people were saying that. What is the problem with Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #2
Quite Me. Dec 2017 #5
What reputable sources were saying that? Kaleva Dec 2017 #7
None, of course. Mueller just doesn't leak accidentally. Hortensis Dec 2017 #52
I doubt we agree on "reputable people." I discount Twitter Stars, Anyonmous Social Media Gadflys, FSogol Dec 2017 #11
I thought the radio hosts with financial ties to RT were pro-Trump? shanny Dec 2017 #39
Nope, many of them are supposedly far left. Cenk of the Young Turks for example. n/t FSogol Dec 2017 #40
oh yeah: the "far left" fookin' commies! shanny Dec 2017 #42
Did I say that? FSogol Dec 2017 #43
I don't know, did you? shanny Dec 2017 #44
I agree with you Vidal Dec 2017 #28
you have failed to respond to post #7 snooper2 Dec 2017 #45
I fell for it the day prior to Mueller indicted Flynn and Manafort. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #14
Mocking? I said I feel sad for them. n/t FSogol Dec 2017 #16
Bless your heart. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #18
Dilly Dilly! snooper2 Dec 2017 #46
Same thing....save your I feel sad for them over something that's actually worth Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #27
I know. cwydro Dec 2017 #20
You can't blame people for wanting more Maeve Dec 2017 #3
I don't blame them at all. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #4
I agree--but those lyrics had been forming Maeve Dec 2017 #6
And sung by tree-dwelling rodents. nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #8
It will happen MFM008 Dec 2017 #37
And ya know what...it just felt good seeing and hearing JARED is tomorrow.... Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #30
sometimes just the fact we're bluestarone Dec 2017 #9
If things don't happen soon he will be shut down before anything comes of the investigation. AJT Dec 2017 #10
K&R orangecrush Dec 2017 #12
Can you expand? Generic Other Dec 2017 #13
a counterintelligence investigation orangecrush Dec 2017 #47
here orangecrush Dec 2017 #48
read this and ponder... orangecrush Dec 2017 #50
Not surprising there's lots they didn't tell Trump Generic Other Dec 2017 #53
Trump is probably thinking orangecrush Dec 2017 #54
There is nothing wrong with speculation EricMaundry Dec 2017 #15
Agreed there's nothing wrong with it. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #17
yea bluestarone Dec 2017 #23
I'd guess the tension and "leaks" are all part of the strategy. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #19
Tension and leaks? Mueller is a trained professional prosecutor. Gossip and rumor-mongering is more FSogol Dec 2017 #21
Well, some of the pre-stories have proven true. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author bullwinkle428 Dec 2017 #24
I gather the big thing that was supposed to happen today didn't. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #25
It will happen. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #26
We don't need this post Vidal Dec 2017 #29
Cool, dude. nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #31
I think your point needs to be repeated here often. If anyone is losing faith Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #33
Sadly, voters have no patience or respect for the time it takes for change to occur. Oneironaut Dec 2017 #35
I am hopeful, I mentioned the buzz I was seeing here yesterday and I dont regret it, but your Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #32
Another reminder: He is not working to remove Trump from the Presidency. Oneironaut Dec 2017 #34
Yup. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #38
I wish I could say I had faith the System will impeach him yuiyoshida Dec 2017 #36
I have no expectations Dem2 Dec 2017 #41
He needs to work faster, before he can get shit-canned by Trump scheming daemons Dec 2017 #49
Chill Sedona Dec 2017 #51

FSogol

(45,490 posts)
1. It is so sad that people fall for the clickbait. Something's gonna happen today! Click Here!
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 11:43 AM
Dec 2017

Watch this spot!


 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
2. It wasn't just click bait. Reputable people were saying that. What is the problem with
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 11:47 AM
Dec 2017

saying that? Being told that Mueller is on his own time table is unnecessary...like DUH.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. None, of course. Mueller just doesn't leak accidentally.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 07:08 PM
Dec 2017

And when he leaks tactically it's to people he trusts to get it out discretely and effectively. Not Twitter flimflammers.

FSogol

(45,490 posts)
11. I doubt we agree on "reputable people." I discount Twitter Stars, Anyonmous Social Media Gadflys,
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:14 PM
Dec 2017

and radio hosts with financial ties to RT.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
39. I thought the radio hosts with financial ties to RT were pro-Trump?
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 02:41 PM
Dec 2017

so why would they be bleating about imminent indictments? It's so hard to keep up.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
44. I don't know, did you?
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 04:25 PM
Dec 2017

I am knee-jerk suspicious of the phrase "far left" since all too often it seems to mean, "someone further left than I am."

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. I fell for it the day prior to Mueller indicted Flynn and Manafort.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:20 PM
Dec 2017

I fell for it the day prior to Mueller indicted Flynn and Manafort.

The important thing is we keep mocking other people to feel better about our own inadequacies, regardless of what spots we click.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
27. Same thing....save your I feel sad for them over something that's actually worth
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:52 PM
Dec 2017

feeling sad about. Give me a break ! What's sad is that you 'care' about this that much where you need to start a thread about it...so I feel sad for you.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
3. You can't blame people for wanting more
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 11:56 AM
Dec 2017

We need patience--NOW!!!

Muellertime is drawing near,
Time for joy and time for cheer;
We've been good, but we can't last--
Hurry, Mueller, hurry fast!
Want indictments every day,
Want the tRumsters hauled away!
We can hardly stand the wait,
Please, Mueller, don't be late!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
4. I don't blame them at all.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 11:57 AM
Dec 2017

And something might happen today.

But it might not.

Just saying if nothing happens today, it doesn't mean nothing's going to happen soon down the line.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
30. And ya know what...it just felt good seeing and hearing JARED is tomorrow....
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:56 PM
Dec 2017

teee heeee made me giddy true or not because I believe that one day, maybe not today or tomorrow but it's a gonna happen. WE ALL KNOW THIS!!!!!! YAAAAY.

bluestarone

(16,976 posts)
9. sometimes just the fact we're
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:10 PM
Dec 2017

talking about it helps people make it thru there day!! So what's the problem? people (including me) just like reading and dreaming ok?

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
12. K&R
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:14 PM
Dec 2017

It is a counterintel investigation now.

It is the gift that keeps on giving.

And Trump can not shut it down.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
13. Can you expand?
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:19 PM
Dec 2017

What exactly makes this investigation beyond Trump's power to interfere? I am nervous every day. Need someone to calm me down!

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
47. a counterintelligence investigation
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 06:42 PM
Dec 2017

would mean the military and spy agencies are involved, and what we are seeing is the tip of the iceberg.

These would continue to run even if Trump is able to shut down the public aspect.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
48. here
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 06:50 PM
Dec 2017

this operation went on for 40 years, resulted in multiple indictments regardless of who was in the White House.

And if they know for a fact Trump is involved, they WILL bring him down.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
50. read this and ponder...
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 06:55 PM
Dec 2017

from the wiki link...


"Although unknown to the public, and even to Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman, these programs were of importance concerning crucial events of the early Cold War. These included the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg spying case and the defections of Donald Maclean and Guy Burgess to the Soviet Union.

unknown EVEN TO THE PRESIDENTS....

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
53. Not surprising there's lots they didn't tell Trump
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 09:02 PM
Dec 2017

He shouldn't mess with them really. They know all his secrets.

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
54. Trump is probably thinking
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 10:30 PM
Dec 2017

he can rely on Putin's cohorts connected to his business, advisors, etc. to prevent him from being removed.

That is, imo, why the Flynn indictment is monumental.

I doubt Trump has slept well since then.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
17. Agreed there's nothing wrong with it.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:24 PM
Dec 2017

But inevitably when subsequent events don't immediately justify the speculation, people tend then to get overly pessimistic.

Rather than going on a wild pendulum swing ride with excited speculation followed by disappointments, it's best to maintain an even strain.

And trust Mueller's process.

Denzil_DC

(7,244 posts)
19. I'd guess the tension and "leaks" are all part of the strategy.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:26 PM
Dec 2017

Nervous people with guilty consciences make mistakes.

FSogol

(45,490 posts)
21. Tension and leaks? Mueller is a trained professional prosecutor. Gossip and rumor-mongering is more
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:30 PM
Dec 2017

of the bailiwick of teenage mean girls. While Mueller might use pressure, I doubt he is handing out hints to the twitterati.

Denzil_DC

(7,244 posts)
22. Well, some of the pre-stories have proven true.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:37 PM
Dec 2017

Nobody who's at all credible on past record as a source has claimed the "leaks" or predictions came straight from Mueller, but rather from IC contacts.

Whatever, deliberate strategy or not, it's certainly making the social media bots nervous. And WH briefers are wary of even mentioning Russia to Trump because he goes ballistic.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
29. We don't need this post
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:55 PM
Dec 2017

why do you feel compelled to tell other people what to do or say?

It's not up to you.

I find your comments very insulting.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
33. I think your point needs to be repeated here often. If anyone is losing faith
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 01:02 PM
Dec 2017

or patience, I remind them what happened in 2010 when Obama didn't fix 200 yrs of problems overnight and people stayed home on election day because Obama didn't get them a public option and so on.
'

Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
35. Sadly, voters have no patience or respect for the time it takes for change to occur.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 01:09 PM
Dec 2017

The reaction of “Obama didn’t change anything!!!” in 2010 was rather sad and embarrassing. Those who jumped ship and voted Republican made things even worse.

Our society now demands everything instantly. Things do take time.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
32. I am hopeful, I mentioned the buzz I was seeing here yesterday and I dont regret it, but your
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 01:00 PM
Dec 2017

point is an excellent one.

These anticipations by myself and others is NOT "why is he taking so long", not at all, in fact I would be surprised if anything happened this soon, actually.

So yes, he will do a fantastic job and we will accept the results and he will do it in his time.

Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
34. Another reminder: He is not working to remove Trump from the Presidency.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 01:05 PM
Dec 2017

He is a neutral entity that is investigating if Trump did anything wrong. His investigation may exonerate Trump, or not touch him at all.

Mueller is not the Liberals’ champion for taking down Trump. That’s not his job. It is our job to oppose Trump’s agenda.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
38. Yup.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

Comey was Obama's and so our, choice to continue as head of the FBI. He was for us, before he was against us, before he is for? us? Not sure now.

Mueller is also a stanch Republican appointee. He'll do his job. But who's to say there won't be back room deals with the GOP leadership that, while not NOT doing his job on possible Russian interference in the election in a general sense, he will not focus on any Trump / Putin direct relationships. It may still come out scathing against Putin, and Wikileaks and Facebook as the primary instruments.

I remember OP after OP back in the mid 00's enthusiastically declaring IT'S OVER FOR CHENEY AND BUSH!!! THIS IS IT THEY ARE GOING DOWN!!!!"

So I, myself, am tempering my anger knowing that I might go bat shit looney if Trump is exonerated (or at least not enough to convict). Their is a bigger battle than Trump the person now. He has unleashed a second wave of braver emboldened deplorables that are here to stay now that they have been given a voice.

yuiyoshida

(41,832 posts)
36. I wish I could say I had faith the System will impeach him
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 02:10 PM
Dec 2017

But I don't trust a Republican as far as I could throw them, and that isn't very far. They won't impeach him, unless their ASSES are on the line too.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
41. I have no expectations
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 02:43 PM
Dec 2017

It's unlikely he'll get to the terrible one, so I'm assuming he won't. One day at a time. When stories break and indictments come, then I pay attention.

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