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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 05:11 AM Dec 2017

Guess: It's not Jared, it's Jr.

I think the case against Jr. is stronger:

- Jr. met with russian lawyer Veselnitskaya, seeking dirt about Hillary Clinton.
Translation: He tried to solicit foreign support for an electoral campaign. And that is illegal.

- Jr. received unsolicited help for the electoral campaign from Wikileaks, which is a stateless entity, hosted on servers in Moscow by the well-known russian cyber-criminal Peter Chayanov.
Translation: He received unsolicited support for an electoral campaign from a foreign entity. If Mueller can prove that he used that support, that's a crime as well.



EDIT:
It's not sexy. It doesn't link Trump to Russia. But it can send somebody to jail.

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Guess: It's not Jared, it's Jr. (Original Post) DetlefK Dec 2017 OP
i would get more personal enjoyment at it being Don JR JI7 Dec 2017 #1
Me, too. Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #4
Ivanka could model prison garb Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #6
Possible avebury Dec 2017 #2
Why not both? Glamrock Dec 2017 #3
TWO-fer!!! Raster Dec 2017 #10
what's that expression?? bdamomma Dec 2017 #22
agreed NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #12
God I hope so Dorian Gray Dec 2017 #5
Could be both though. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2017 #7
When Trump won, all they could see is dollar signs. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #26
His life sentence would be longer than pops Norbert10 Dec 2017 #8
"I'm hearing it's more of an in-law than an out-law" dewsgirl Dec 2017 #9
I think Jared's main association has been money grubbing from Russians for his business. Vinca Dec 2017 #11
republican TreasonWeasels in bed with skeevey russian agents Achilleaze Dec 2017 #13
Note her use of the KGOP republican 'a-hole gang sign' Achilleaze Dec 2017 #14
oh my eyes!!!!!!!!!! bdamomma Dec 2017 #23
Kurshner is the easier get. MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #15
The Specter of the Pardon... GopherGal Dec 2017 #18
Very true MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #19
"Barely know him" Johnny2X2X Dec 2017 #16
An indictment will wipe the smirk off of Jr.'s face. nt oasis Dec 2017 #17
If Mueller's looking for another flip, there's more chance of it against Jared than Junior. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #20
They'll all get their turn. n/t Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #21
Jr. hopefully will get his bdamomma Dec 2017 #24
Doesn't look like it's going to be anybody today. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #25
No it doesn't. MontanaMama Dec 2017 #27
There is always the 7:59 ET news dump csziggy Dec 2017 #32
Maybe, but all of the charges/pleas have not be Russia related to this point Cosmocat Dec 2017 #28
Was Jr not always operating under orders/direction from Der Twitler? Roland99 Dec 2017 #29
At this point it's nobody. AJT Dec 2017 #30
Many places gibraltar72 Dec 2017 #31
Not guessing. shanny Dec 2017 #33
Sorry. It looks like it is no one. So you are 0 for 2. Tipperary Dec 2017 #34
Wasn't Manafort told on a Friday to present himself the following Monday, at court ? It started to OnDoutside Dec 2017 #35

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
5. God I hope so
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 06:44 AM
Dec 2017

There isn't a bigger douchebro out there than Jr. I'd love to see that smug smile wiped off his face.

(Jared being indicted would be fine with me. I just think Jr. would be way more satisfying.)

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
7. Could be both though.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 07:24 AM
Dec 2017

Asking Kislyak for a secure communication line with Russia doesn't look good on Jared, plus the "errors" on his security clearance application are rather odd.

I think the grift and con game comes so naturally to these people that they never considered that it's actually illegal.

Irish_Dem

(47,133 posts)
26. When Trump won, all they could see is dollar signs.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:44 PM
Dec 2017

And they assumed the presidency meant they held all the cards.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
9. "I'm hearing it's more of an in-law than an out-law"
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 07:54 AM
Dec 2017

Tweet from one of the 10 accounts that were all abuzz last night, I have followed some of them forever.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
11. I think Jared's main association has been money grubbing from Russians for his business.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 08:11 AM
Dec 2017

There may or may not be a quid pro quo. Junior's definitely going down, though.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
14. Note her use of the KGOP republican 'a-hole gang sign'
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 08:28 AM
Dec 2017

The repubes use their a-hole gang sign a lot when they are attacking America. It immediately identifies them to their fellow-traveling comrades as "Agents of A-holery."

I'm just sayin...

GopherGal

(2,008 posts)
18. The Specter of the Pardon...
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 09:54 AM
Dec 2017

Does indicting Don Jr. more strongly lure Trump into protective pardoning? If Mueller's end game is impeachment (i.e. political), luring Trump into pardoning his namesake might incite more political pressure on recalcitrant congressional repugs.

Johnny2X2X

(19,069 posts)
16. "Barely know him"
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 08:47 AM
Dec 2017

I can see Trump's tweet now, "barely know Donald Trump Jr., he was an errand boy in the campaign, this has nothing to do with me."

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,184 posts)
20. If Mueller's looking for another flip, there's more chance of it against Jared than Junior.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:30 PM
Dec 2017

Unless Junior harbors one hell of a grudge against his dad (which if the rumors of how his dad treated him while he was at college were true, it's slightly possible.)

Cutting ties against your in-laws is somewhat easier than cutting ties against your own blood relatives.

bdamomma

(63,881 posts)
24. Jr. hopefully will get his
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:38 PM
Dec 2017

he never answered questions recently. Rep Schiff was not too happy either.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
28. Maybe, but all of the charges/pleas have not be Russia related to this point
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 03:49 PM
Dec 2017

And, Jared has INFINITELY more exposure with this business practices than Jr. who is just Sr's son.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
35. Wasn't Manafort told on a Friday to present himself the following Monday, at court ? It started to
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 06:22 PM
Dec 2017

leak over the weekend, so maybe it is similar ?

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