Maybe we, as a country, are in such bad shape that we NEED Joe Biden to run for President

[CTyankee]

I heard what he said on the View and thought to myself "these are such extraordinary time that perhaps we need him."

Yes, I have read and understood those DUers who list the reason(s) he should not consider a run, mainly on the age issue. But he is offering himself, quite selflessly IMO, as someone who might consider it. He said his family isn't ready to think about such a run but perhaps the family will be ready in 2020.

I believe him. And maybe we will need his calmness, his integrity, his caring for people for us not to dismiss his possible candidacy going forward. I think this man transcends his time. Perhaps we should ponder him as a possible candidate.

[Vidal]

1. He has to decide.

I agree with you but it is up to him, not up to us, whether or not to run in 2020.

I wish he wasn't so old. That is a factor but may not be determinative.

But we will do some pondering about him I'm sure.

We need to be sure the Dems and DNC have a fair primary process.

[CTyankee]

4. I thought of his age and wondered if he would hand over the reins to his

up and coming, new generation vp (I would like to see it be a woman). Such a pair would make a powerful team of leaders, both older and younger.

[marylandblue]

2. If our country needs a man whose odds of dying in office are 50%

We are in even more trouble than I thought, and I already thought we were deep shit. Surely we can find someone with a better likelihood of surviving.

[LanternWaste]

12. What then should the specific percentage be?

What then should the specific percentage of survival for a candidate be be, and on what objective number is that measure based?

[marylandblue]

15. There is no objective measure, of course

But my point is, if our republic rests on one person, especially.someone older, we are in a very weak position and he probably can't save us. Germany oncw reated on 92 year old Hindenburg. He wasn't up to the task.

[delisen]

20. Adenauer was up to the task when in his 80s

and led Germany post World War II.

FDR was relatively young but in chronically poor health when he led US and then died in his final term, I always thought his presidency was worth it.

[marylandblue]

22. FDR really should not have run for his fourth term

His health had declined by then and he hid it from the public. He also hid the atom bomb project from Truman, making him ill prepared to make a big decision.

Some 80 year olds can do it, but it's not the way to bet.

[Turbineguy]

3. It would be nice.

We should study who was the Chancellor of Germany after Hitler "left".

[maxsolomon]

5. Joe's time has passed. Bernie's time has passed.

We need someone younger than President Asshole.

[Irish_Dem]

6. I agree totally. We are going to need a known commodity, highly experienced, impeccable credentials.

The country must have someone like this to heal.

People may not remember what is was like after the Nixon scandal, but I do.
The country will need help moving forward and healing.

[woodsprite]

7. Even if he didn't win the nomination, he would bring much needed sanity to the discourse.

I personally think the team of Biden/Kennedy would be AWESOME!!! That is now my dream ticket. Biden could act as a mentor in foreign policy to Kennedy and Kennedy would be in great standing/shape to accept the Pres. nomination the following cycle. Not to mention, Lord forbid, that anything were to happen to Biden, Kennedy would be a thoroughly competent and good person to step into his shoes.

I'm from Delaware, realize Joe's getting up there and that he'll only be with us for guidance and to work a campaign for at most another 2 or 3 presidential election cycles - if he cares to or is physically able to that long. We should try to learn what we can from his knowledge, depth of purpose, and wisdom while we can -- and that goes for both sides of the aisle. I doubt that I'll see another man as genuine as Biden, or as great a Presidential/VP duo as Obama/Biden, in my lifetime.

[CTyankee]

8. I think Biden/Kennedy would be great, but we need a woman on our ticket.

We are ignoring half of the talent we have in the Democratic Party if we don't tap their talents. When the rest of the world has gotten around to having a woman leader, we CAN'T?

[forgotmylogin]

31. Biden/Harris, Warren SoS? (n/t)

[CTyankee]

32. Oh, my! What a wonderful line-up! You made my day!

[Orsino]

9. I don't know that we need him, particularly.

There would be something tone-deaf about nominating another old white guy.

[still_one]

10. not as far as I am concerned. Joe throughout his career has made some major blunders, and

I would prefer to have someone else representing our party in 2020

He has tried several times, and has been rejected twice

[Demit]

16. Agree. His work on the bankruptcy bill is the dealbreaker for me.

I can get past the plagiarism thing, the Anita Hill disrespect, and I don't even hold the Iraq war vote against him—but that bankruptcy bill made a deep, negative impact on ordinary people. As darn affable as he is, he will always be the senator from MBNA to me.

[pandr32]

33. I agree with you

President Obama's shine benefits Biden to some degree (he was an excellent VP), but I do not think enough to carry him across the finish line.

The role Biden played in discrediting Anita Hill when he chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee would be a huge problem at this time, even though he has apologized since. And then there is the fact that he is approaching 76 (average age of death for men in the U.S.) and even if he is in great health it would likely deter many supporters.

[ghostsinthemachine]

11. Hes pretty touchy-feely

Going to see a problem with that.

[Hortensis]

13. Biden couldn't do his job well when we held the senate

in better times. He's older now, more experienced, perhaps wiser, Obama likes him.

But WHERE is this Biden stuff coming from? Who's pushing it now and why? Distraction? From what?

[Initech]

14. Let's concentrate on taking back the House and Senate first.

Then we can worry about who's running for president!

[CTyankee]

17. Joe talked about it (when asked) on The View yesterday.

He seemed very concerned about where we are heading as a country. I think he might even be alarmed. So that concerns and alarms me....

[WhiteTara]

18. No Thanks....for the 4th time Joe.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

19. +1 . n/t

[Demsrule86]

21. Biden is a good guy. I would happily vote for him...his age does concern me though...but hey

Trump is really old too...assuming he is around to run.

[Caliman73]

23. I think Biden is a pretty good, authentic guy, but he should not run, and we don't need him.

Age, unless there are health problems (I.E. Dementia) related to age, are not an important factor for me.

The bigger problems for Mr. Biden are that he has said some fairly odd things throughout his career that could be used against him. As another poster said, he is also "handsy" which in this environment, would not reflect well. Finally, there was the whole Anita Hill / Clarence Thomas situation where he went after Hill and cut her off; again, given the shift, that might be used against Biden.

[Kingofalldems]

24. Biden/Kennedy

Biden/Warren, Biden/Anybody in fact.

[R B Garr]

25. +1, I've been thinking this since seeing MSNBC's Headliner feature on him

this past weekend. To answer another poster's question, I think that's where and when the talk here started to swirl around Biden. Another poster started a thread on the two MSNBC Headliner shows which featured Biden and then George Clooney. Kennedy's name came up in the thread here.

I hadn't given Biden much thought recently until I saw that show. He is a known quantity, good and bad, I guess for many, BUT he is also the face of the Obama administration and that may be very much needed to have someone like him be a known stabilizing factor for the world stage that is now seeing the United States lose considerable esteem with the Trump incompetence and insanity. Someone like Biden might be needed as a transitional presence, and leading a younger VP such as Kennedy to shape the future.

I hear what people are saying about the diversity and age, but a few Senators just sabotaged themselves for a long time to come with this Franken saga. No way will they be national material now, not for some time, if ever. They have diminished themselves and boxed themselves into a corner. That was a totally unnecessary move to gut Franken like that, and it will not be forgotten.

[get the red out]

26. I love Biden and always have

I worry about his age though. But there will be a Democratic Primary season before the next Presidential election, and we will have to see what shakes out then no matter what we are thinking now.

[world wide wally]

27. I'm thinking Sherod Brown / Kamala Harris

Or maybe Joe Kennedy III

[Gothmog]

28. I would support Joe if he ran

[delisen]

29. I voted for a candidate with integrity in 2016

I'm not looking for a savior in 2020.

The task in front of us is not going to be solved by anyone who did not recognize or communicate the Russian threat to the people.

If Joseph biden was in the dark on that as vp, he should not have been.

[comradebillyboy]

30. I'd rather support one of the Senators who went to Alabama to

help Jones get elected. Biden has run and lost too many times for me to have any confidence in his ability to win now.