Nearly two-thirds of white women in Alabama voted for accused child molester Roy Moore

[workinclasszero]

Nearly two-thirds of white women in Alabama voted for accused child molester Roy Moore
WRITTEN BY Aamna Mohdin December 13, 2017


Women in Alabama voted largely for Democrat candidate Doug Jones in yesterday’s heated senate election, according to CNN exit polls. The defeat of the Donald Trump-favored Republican Roy Moore also marked the first time in 25 years that Alabama elected a Democrat senator.

The CNN exit poll shows that overall 57% of women voted to elect Jones, best known for prosecuting two members of the Ku Klux Klan responsible for bombing Birmingham’s 16th Street Baptist Church, which killed four black girls in 1963. But a breakdown of the data by gender and race shows that women didn’t vote uniformly. (Moore, on the other hand, picked up 56% of male voters).

Whilst 98% of black women voted for Jones, just 34% of white women did the same. In short, nearly two-thirds of white women voted instead for Moore, the Republican candidate whose campaign was riddled with allegations of child molestation. He has also been a strident voice against LGBT rights and called Islam a “false religion.” The exit polls also show that 93% of black men backed Jones, compared with 26% of white men.

https://qz.com/1155156/alabama-senate-race-result-and-poll-majority-of-white-women-backed-defeated-republican-candidate-roy-moore/

[onecaliberal]

1. Im embarrassed to be a white woman. What in the actual fuck are these subhumans thinking?

[workinclasszero]

3. The brainwashing is insane

It all makes sense somehow in the fox news/hate radio/Republican Jesus mega church world I guess.

[Botany]

32. +1

"The brainwashing is insane."

[whathehell]

5. They embarrass me as well, but they are not "subhuman"

and I think you should reconsider such a damning, hyperbolic characterization.

[LanternWaste]

10. Seems your literary license has been suspended.

Seems your literary license has been suspended. Hope you're able to get it back soon!

Well, we can only hope medusa stops objectifying people (how damning and hyperbolic of me. Oh dear.).

[Orrex]

66. Yes, it's important that we not hurt the feelings of these idiot racist fuckheads.

[sandensea]

67. You're right of course: they're human - all too human, in fact.

Only human beings can be inhuman.

[Sophia4]

101. I went to high school in Alabama. I beg to differ with you.

Subhuman is a pretty good word for them.

I know them well.

[whathehell]

106. So only the conservative WOMEN in Alabama are "sub-human" huh?

Wow.

[Sophia4]

112. It's the men too. Apparently the term "sub-human" has connotations for others on

this board that I was unaware of. I've lived in Germany and Austria, but I never knew that "sub-human" was a term associated with NAZIs. It's a translation, of course, of a German word, so I would not recognize it, not being a student of NAZI terminology.
I think the German word might have been "Untermenschen." Sub-human is a translation but very far from the German word in sound and connotation for me.

So if "sub-human" as a term offends you, please substitute some other word that expresses the idea that Alabamans are set in their antebellum ways and really don't want to live in a world in which they view their fellow human beings as their equals.

They claim to read the Bible and to be Christian, but apparently the meaning of the story of the Good Samaritan is lost on them.

And when Jesus said, "Let the little children come unto me," well, maybe they interpret that differently than I do too. I cannot imagine someone doubting the word of the women who came forward about Roy Moore. And I cannot understand how they could vote for someone who stands for Moore's views on our Constitution and the role that religion should have in our society.

[whathehell]

116. "so if sub-human as a term upsets you"?

Yeah..must be a clear example of "oversensitivity" on our part.

If you really think the language lacks alternatives to "sub-human" as indications of ignorance or insensitivity, I'd suggest you need to increase your vocabulary.

[Sophia4]

130. Thanks for the advice.

But I didn't originally use the offensive term.

I am not a student of NAZIism. Didn't think about the fact that subhuman was a translation of Untermensch. Of course in German you also have Ubermensch which would maybe translate as super-hero. I don't suppose anyone objects to the term "super-hero."
Or "superman" for that.

Of course, these are all just words. A word means what the user intends and what the reader or hearer understands. Words are a means of communication and have no magical "meaning" of their own really.

I would understand all animals to be "sub-human" on the evolution scale. That could be a use of the English word.

I don't mean to be offensive. I just think words should be understood according to the intent of the user and the understanding, limited or broad of the reader/hearer.

I speak several languages and am kind of fanatical about the inexact meanings of words (about the fact that words' meanings are quite inexact and depend on intention).

The British use a lot of words we use but to mean very different things from what we use them to mean. Just an example of my experience.

[JimBeard]

133. Torch Flashlight ... Boot + Car trunk there's more

[kcr]

118. I'm sorry. I think the fight against the Antebellum South

can be achieved without the use of neo-Nazi terminology. It would seem ideal, actually, considering what that movement is about nowadays.

[sl8]

119. It was a term Nazis used for the inferior races that were suitable only for slavery or extermination

From Wikipedia - Untermensch:

...

In his speech "Weltgefahr des Bolschewismus" ("World danger of Bolshevism" ) in 1936, Joseph Goebbels said that "subhumans exist in every people as a leavening agent".[18] At the 1935 Nazi party congress rally at Nuremberg, Goebbels also declared that "Bolshevism is the declaration of war by Jewish-led international subhumans against culture itself."[19]

Another example of the use of the term Untermensch, this time in connection with anti-Soviet propaganda, is a brochure entitled "Der Untermensch", edited by Himmler and distributed by the Race and Settlement Head Office. SS-Obersturmführer Ludwig Pröscholdt, Jupp Daehler and SS-Hauptamt-Schulungsamt Koenig are associated with its production.[3] Published in 1942 after the start of Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union, it is around 50 pages long and consists for the most part of photos portraying the enemy in an extremely negative way (see link below for the title page). 3,860,995 copies were printed in the German language. It was translated into Greek, French, Dutch, Danish, Bulgarian, Hungarian, Czech and seven other languages. The pamphlet says the following:

Just as the night rises against the day, the light and dark are in eternal conflict. So too, is the subhuman the greatest enemy of the dominant species on earth, mankind. The subhuman is a biological creature, crafted by nature, which has hands, legs, eyes and mouth, even the semblance of a brain. Nevertheless, this terrible creature is only a partial human being.

Although it has features similar to a human, the subhuman is lower on the spiritual and psychological scale than any animal. Inside of this creature lies wild and unrestrained passions: an incessant need to destroy, filled with the most primitive desires, chaos and coldhearted villainy.

A subhuman and nothing more!

Not all of those who appear human are in fact so. Woe to him who forgets it!

Mulattoes and Finn-Asian barbarians, Gipsies and black skin savages all make up this modern underworld of subhumans that is always headed by the appearance of the eternal Jew.[3]

Nazis classified those they called the sub-humans into different types; they placed priority on extermination of the Jews, and exploitation of others as slaves.[20]

...

More at link.

[Sophia4]

128. Wow! I'm familiar with the term "Untermensch," but never thought about the

idea that it was translate as the "subhuman." Interesting to me from a linguistic point of view. Of course, I never read Fascist or NAZI literature in English and only came across it in German incidentally and because in German words are combined to make a longer word that expresses a particular idea. (More often than in English.)

[democratisphere]

129. How does "inhuman" work for you?

[whathehell]

138. It doesn't

Bye now.

[AJT]

6. The same thing that women who actually think they should be wearing a burqa are thinking.

[luvtheGWN]

34. I suggest that the choice of wearing a burka (and it IS a choice)

can be equated with self-described "Christians" wearing a cross around their neck.

Perhaps you could tell me the difference, if you believe there is one.

[hueymahl]

68. Wearing a Burka is only a choice in certain countries

It is a choice here. Not in many mideastern countries. So, yeah, there is a difference - it may not be a religious difference depending on how you interpret religion, but there is a practical difference depending on where you live.

[AJT]

74. If a woman wears a burqa it is because of some perversion of religion.

If a woman votes for someone like Roy more it is because of some perversion of religion.

[irisblue]

9. subhuman really the word you want?

dehumanizing people starts a very slippery slope with no good end ever happening.

[whathehell]

22. Thank you..

That post is quite hide worthy...See if the alert system works.

[irisblue]

25. Alert? Huh? What did I miss here?

Is there an issue we have here?

[kcr]

71. It's a slur heavily associated with Nazis

I alerted, too. Edited to clarify I alerted on the poster who originally used it in this thread.

[whathehell]

95. Exactly...which is why it SHOULD be TS violation

and I don't know who's on the jury, but apparently they actually agree that "white women" in Alabama.who vote in a way we don't like, are "sub-human". We kno how unacceptable this would be were it said about any group but Nazis or heinous killers, but apparently white women in Alabama have now been exempted from the human race...

It's ugly, stupid, and blatantly bigoted.
...

[kcr]

96. Flat out unacceptable.

It's bad enough this White Women are the Scourge of the Electorate hot take is apparently going to be a thing now with every election. But that's the line. That is blatantly unacceptable.

[whathehell]

98. Exactly..

I alerted on that poster and was told it was voted down "unanimously"

It seems I:m not the only one to have alerted on it, so why
are the jury members and/or the administrators allowing it?

It seems there is a "problem" here that needs to be addressed..

[kcr]

100. As far as the slur, I think sometimes people aren't aware of the history

but the poster admitted they knew, although that may have been after the alert and not everyone expands the thread.

[kcr]

73. I think this might be a good place to add

that maybe some might want to consider that getting out the pitchforks for women just might be an agenda to be wary of. Non-Evangelical white women went for Jones. It's a mighty interesting spin if you think about it.

[JimBeard]

134. If un suspecting people use the term and are not aware, why not do the decent thing and tell THEM

instead of doing what you did. You going to alert on me, I have plenty.

[onecaliberal]

27. People who hurt children are monsters as a survivor of that I will call them what they are.

I am not th person i would have been

[irisblue]

110. A suggestion

skin covered child hurting monsters passing as humans...yeah a lot longer. working on better descriptions today.

[onecaliberal]

122. Okay, I can work with that. Thank you.

[irisblue]

131. .😀

High five &

[Demit]

79. I agree. We should stick to pointing out how awful humans can be.

Making them the "other" leads people to thinking it's okay to do bad things to them because they are not human.

[Sophia4]

102. Have you ever lived in Alabama? Gone to school there? Have family there?

Do you know the white people of Alabama?

I'd be surprised if your answer is yes.

[onecaliberal]

137. I read so Im informed about the population of Whiteswho voted for pedo, it was reported

Surely you are not arguing they teach pedophilia is okay in Alabama schools.

[whathehell]

11. Um, should we all be "embarrassed" because we share the same color

as some of the ignorant and/or vile?

If so, there will be many of ALL skin colors who should be similarly
"embarrassed".

[yuiyoshida]

61. not all of us do

[whathehell]

80. Yes, all of us do..

All of the races have committed atrocities at one time or another....Surely you know of the Rape of Nanking and other WWIi era atrocities.

[yuiyoshida]

81. I am sure because I am part Japanese

You just love shoving the Rape of Nanking in my face. WHAT?? You are NOT blaming me for Pearl Harbor too?? I am also part Hawaiian so you can blame me for for the Murder of Captain James Cook as well, right???

[whathehell]

93. Huh?

You think I 'love shoving the Rape of Nanking in your face"?

Yuioshida, I've had very few exchanges of any kind with you and I've never mentioned that incident or anything like it, to you or anyone here, but when you go out of your way to separate -- one might say "elevate" -- your group above others by claiming that they, unlike the rest of us, have nothing to be "embarrassed" or regretful about, I think you can expect someone to point out reality....It's just a way of stating the fact that none of us, in terms of race or ethnicity, have clean hands.

[Sophia4]

103. It isn't about race. It is about Alabama and the class system there which happens

to be partly based on race. I lived there. Did you ever live there?

I am speaking from experience. Are you?

Just when I think that maybe things have improved there, I am wrenched back to the reality that the atrocities associated with racial discrimination in the past of Alabama are really part of a monstrous class discrimination that happens to put people of color at the very bottom rung.

It was ugly then. That so many white women voted for Roy Moore tells me it is still very ugly.

[whathehell]

114. Really?...Then maybe you should be calling the white MALES 'subhumsn'"

since, clearly it is THEY who bear most of the responsibility for that system, not the women -- white or otherwise -- who are themselves, and yes, I'm speaking from PLENTY of experience. In addition, this isn't just about Alabama...After the election, there was a virtual Feeding Frenzy of blame thrown onto "white women" here, and it hasn't stopped, even though they voted Hillary in substantially greater numbers than White Men.

Given the deeply rooted, sometimes internalized misogyny in our
world, I think females just make easier, if less deserving, targets.

[whathehell]

23. I'm not...I'm more "embarrassed" to have to respond to such a bigoted

and hateful post.

To paraphrase Al Sharpton "They may be my color, but they're not my kind". Period. Full stop.....NO one is "subhuman".

[kcr]

51. subhuman?

wow

[onecaliberal]

85. Yes SUB HUMAN

[kcr]

87. Do yourself a favor and research that word n/t

[onecaliberal]

88. Enjoy the dust bin. Im well aware of the definition.

[kcr]

89. Yet you choose to use it anyway

There's no excuse.

[JimBeard]

135. Is that anything like a sub-sandwich?

[olegramps]

60. Its a Family Cherished Value.

Men have dominion over the lower human species, i.e., females. Just some Jezebel Lolitas making up lies about a God fearing man of impeccable morals.

[guillaumeb]

132. "Subhumans"?

Untermenschen is another way to say this, but it has a bit of associational baggage.

[ProfessorGAC]

2. Babies and Jeebus

A most narrow world view will lead to very poor decision making. These 2/3rds are a perfect example.

[dalton99a]

4. Democrats have no business reaching out to these people

They are a waste of time

[David__77]

58. What about their children?

Political education of children is important. I cannot see that ceasing any communication with the parents would help win over the children.

[Sophia4]

109. Younger people in Alabama voted in larger numbers for Doug Jones.

https://civicyouth.org/23-of-youth-vote-in-alabama-propel-doug-jones-to-victory/

That's the hope for the future.

My generation is completely lost in Alabama. Sorry to say that. But then my generation was always pretty much lost in Alabama. Those that left Alabama (and I know a few of them) seem to be pretty normal, but this vote confirms my fear that those who choose to stay in Alabama are pretty proud of their prejudices, their flimsy excuse for religion and the class system they grew up in. Debutantes reigned there when I was in high school. It was so exaggerated that it was crazy.

[kcr]

111. Well, the boys are anyway

The women, apparently, not so much.

[David__77]

120. Thank you for sharing your story!

It's unfortunate that many people don't reassess their pre-existing assumptions on a regular basis. I haven't been to Alabama. I think that in any environment, people can get very solidified in their worldview and feel quite validated in it.

[link:|

[Sophia4]

126. The chart gives me hope.

These phony "Christians" don't realize that THEY are turning people off to Christianity.

It's a shame, because if you read the New Testament, what Jesus taught was really tolerance and love.

And the likes of Roy Moore and the Fundamentalists just don't get it at all.

[onecaliberal]

86. Not to some here. Ask anyone who was sexually abused as a child by an adult.

[Blue_true]

105. I agree.

We should spend our resources on minority voters and young White voters. We want get all of the young whites, but we want need to if we run effective GOTV among Blacks and other minorities. And when we win, we need to seriously address the issues that Blacks and minorities deal with in everyday life.

[irisblue]

7. Is there a breakdown of white women

(both college & non college educated) w & w/o children under 18 yet? How can anyone with children have voted for Moore?

[whathehell]

15. Yeah...Men have children too.

but it seems less is "expected" of them.

[irisblue]

16. You're right. I was wearing blinders. Apologies.

[whathehell]

18. No problem

I appreciate your willingness to say so.

[Arkansas Granny]

8. As a white woman myself, I'd like to know WTF were they thinking?

The sad part is, if white women in my state were faced with the same choice, many of them would probably vote the same way.

DISGUSTING!

[barbtries]

19. i live in NC.

same way here. it is baffling, but then i've always been encouraged to do my own thinking.

[kcr]

69. You're probably not Evangelical

If you were, it wouldn't be a mystery to you and you'd likely be voting that way yourself.

[hamsterjill]

76. Same here. I'm in Texas.

I've never understood how women do not see themselves as equals, but in my opinion, women who vote like this do not. The are happy to have their husbands, fathers, employers, etc. make the choices for them. Because if they really thought through these matters themselves, as individuals, they wouldn't be voting Republican.

Most of these women are quick to point out that "boys will be boys", etc. and such other nonsense.

[crazycatlady]

12. Break it down by age

(the women in that picture all look like retirees.)

[Blue_true]

107. If you look at the numbers, most young Whites in Alabama voted for Moore.

Just less so than their parents.

[MrsCoffee]

13. And 72% of white males.

And 80% of those white men and women were evangelicals.

Damn, that’s pathetic.

Seems the men still control their women using religion and FUD.

[bettyellen]

20. And they've been coddled in interviews for more than a year.

[scarytomcat]

28. maybe it is time to replace all males in power with women

It could end most of the worlds problems if men were sent to the farm. Robots can do the heavy lifting jobs. Men can do what they like best drink beer, smoke grass and watch sports. This comes from a male who has a very low opinion of men.

[EffieBlack]

99. Sounds good - until we consider how a most of these women are voting

[kcr]

113. So.. no women in power. Ok. n/t

[luvtheGWN]

37. It seems Moore was just telling them

what they wanted to hear. Isn't that the reason too many folks voted for Trump?

The CINO evangelicals are only looking forward to one thing -- the Rapture. So that gives you some idea of their ability to think critically and logically. In my mind, they are no different from children under the age of 6 who actually believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny.

I'm convinced the idiot(s) who wrote the Book of Revelation were high on the "weed" of the day. It should never, EVER have been included in the New Testament. Strangely enough, it's really the only Book the CINO evangelicals actually believe, if their behaviour is any indication (which it is).

[haele]

59. Women are no better then men when it comes to bigotry.

And there's a nasty strain of White Nationalistic Christianist identity bigotry yearning for "the better days" when the country was just one big happy paternalistic family and everyone knew their place under the Big Daddy-Man who doled out goodies to those who please him and gives a celestial whuppin' to those who step out of line.
Where a "Good White Christian" could stand above everyone else and either ignore or sneer at them because you were the good son or daughter, and those "others" were the bad seed.

The reason these Return to the Anti-Bellum Evilangelicals (no matter where they live - not just in the South!) desire Jesus' second coming is that the belief they cling to insures when he does return, they'll never have to grow up and take responsibility for their own actions and feelings. The return of Jesus ensures world ends before they lose their privileged emotional construct and are forced to grow up and face reality...

It's a very simplistic, childish way of looking at things, and even highly educated people fall victim to simplicity when faced with a large, frighteningly complex Universe to live in. These people, like children, want to make the World - and ironically by extension, the Creator God they supposedly believe in - small enough to drown in the kitchen sink when Reality starts to rear it's uncaring head.

Haele

[steve2470]

84. yep let's not let them off the hook either nt

[whathehell]

14. How about the numbers on white men?..It's higher, so why not call them out too?

or is this strictly another "let's trash white women" thread?

[SHRED]

26. Because white men in Alabama it's a given that they vote for Moore

[MrsCoffee]

39. So they get a pass?

I don't think so. They are the bigger problem. They control the whole evangelical population. They reach millions of people over the airwaves (26% of the population is evangelical). They preach gender traditionalism of male authority and female subordination. They also think these roles are biblical, but they are aren't. They are fairly recent and cultural.

[SHRED]

41. No. They are sick.

[MrsCoffee]

43. Agreed.

[whathehell]

82. It should not be a "given". Allowing it to be is just another

way of giving them a pass, while holding women to unfair levels of responsibility....It's represents the same sort of shrug it off attitude as the "boys will be boys" response.

Men have daughters too, not to mention mothers, sisters and wives.

[SHRED]

83. Not how I see it

I view most white men in AL with disdain.
I placed hope in women to do the right thing.

[kcr]

92. Well I see that as a form of sexism

It's just the opposite side of the Women are Pure and Perfect benevolent sexism coin. Giving men a pass because you think they're scum doesn't somehow make it any better. Holding women to higher standards and punishing them while giving men a pass is still unequal. People don't just do that to women for their voting habits, btw. I know that this somehow feels right because it's being done to white women, and white people are racist so, But it isn't right to put racism on women, particularly when men still basically run the show.

[SHRED]

94. Points taken

I'll review my position.
I meant no harm.

[kcr]

108. Thank you

I didn't perceive harm. I just wanted to present a view that I felt wasn't getting considered enough. Thank you for at least hearing it out. My intention isn't to defend racism, but I think some people hear it that way. I just don't think men should be getting a pass.

[whathehell]

117. Well, maybe that's how you should see it..

This "I expect more from women" stuff can be a disguise to throw more blame on them. That 'pedestal" thing isn't the same as equality.

[SHRED]

124. I've addressed this

But go ahead and keep hammering me.

[treestar]

125. They can be called out too; I bet the OP point

is with the allegations of going after teen girls while in his 30s would turn off women more than men and that it is odder for women to be OK with it. I thought this way about the PBIC too.Really expected him to be wiped out by the women's vote especially when he ran against a woman who would be the first woman POTUS. So it was strange to learn a majority of white women voted for him.

[barbtries]

17. one of those times

i really kind of wish i wasn't white.
who are these people?!

[EL34x4]

21. These are percentages of women who actually showed up to vote.

Keep in mind, half of the 1.3 million Alabamans who voted for Trump last year stayed home on Tuesday. It's reasonable to deduce the majority of white women in Alabama did not vote for Roy Moore.

[workinclasszero]

29. That's true...in a way

But when a person decides to sit home and not vote they are also responsible for who gets elected as well.

Sitting home on election day is a vote too.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

[58Sunliner]

44. Yes, which is why headlines should always read-of those that voted.

And it is never the men we mention, yet this should be a shame just as much, maybe more so for a man. Men know damn well, maybe more so than women, that men like RM are more common than we care to believe. It says so much about the status of women.

[Dem2]

24. Evangelical white people are bigoted hate filled assholes

It's as simple as that.

[ProfessorPlum]

30. so embarrassed for my race

the human race, that is.

[leftyladyfrommo]

31. Look how many of those women have silver hair.

So many women my age have been so brainwashed.

I understand it. That was me for a long time. Not any more.

[NurseJackie]

33. Obeying and honoring the wishes of their husbands (and/or preachers) I suspect.

Sadly, I know people like this. "Oh, I don't follow politics. I just vote the same way my husband does" is something I've often heard from co-workers, neighbors and family members.

[Corgigal]

35. I heard a podcast who had a great theory

about this. A woman, progressive from California moved deep into a red state and lived to understand the women.

Her theory, they vote for their husbands. If their white husbands get any improvements in his life, they believe more goes into the pot for their kids and herself.

I'm northern gal, with 2 daughters raised by me. They have no kids, but have husband's. They vote with the planet in mind. The whole of the earth, not just one checkbook.

However, the south leads in the way for divorce and domestic abuse should make them think just a bit differently, doesn't look like they are, still busy trying to beat each other in their personal lives to give a flip about a bigger landscape. Envy is high here.

[ehrnst]

36. Obama got only 42 per cent of white women in 2012

And only got for 44% in 2008.

"The answer is that white females make up a smaller proportion of the overall electorate than they used to—thirty-eight per cent in 2012 compared to forty-one per cent in 2004—and Obama racked up enormous majorities among non-white women, who are growing in numbers. "

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/whats-up-with-white-women-they-voted-for-romney-too

[58Sunliner]

38. I do not doubt that more WW who voted, voted for Moore.

But until we can say we have an open and accurate voting trail, I believe no vote totals.
This was a scary election in that it should have been a slam dunk to defeat this creep. In addition to the AA vote, the other crucial factors were the write-ins, 1.7% which is more than Jones' margin of victory. And the small percentage of women and men who apparently voted across party lines, if prior voting records can be believed.

[Grins]

40. Once again demonstrating Reich-wing self-delusions

Once again proving that Evangelical "Family Values" and Reich-wing moralizing about BJ's, sanctity of marriage, prayer, abortion, family, etc. - are total, self-imposed delusions. They should be called on it. Constantly.

[Honeycombe8]

42. That is SHAMEFUL! I'm ashamed to be a white woman like they are. SHAME! The word isn't used enuf.nt

[infullview]

45. So instead of "subhuman"

Does "deplorables" work?

[irisblue]

97. Welcome to DU

Today I'm thinking I'll use the phrase unthinking
unaware asshats. Could/might change upon further review & more education on my part. I believe in life long learning.

[marble falls]

46. Why do women AND men vote for politicians and issues that are opposed to their own interests ....

Just reread "What's the Matter with Kansas?"

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about Thomas Frank's 2004 book. For the independent documentary film, see What's the Matter with Kansas? (film).
What's the Matter with Kansas? Whatsthematterwithkansas.jpg
Author Thomas Frank
Country United States
Subject History, United States, Kansas, political science, politics and government, conservatism
Publisher Henry Holt and Co.
Publication date
June 1, 2004
Media type Print (Hardcover)
Pages 320
ISBN 0-8050-7339-6
OCLC 54374636
Dewey Decimal
978.1/033 22
LC Class F686.2 .F73 2004

What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America (2004) is a book by American journalist and historian Thomas Frank, which explores the rise of populist anti-elitist conservatism in the United States, centering on the experience of Kansas, Frank's native state. In the late 19th century, says Frank, Kansas was known as a hotbed of the left-wing Populist movement, but in recent decades, it has become overwhelmingly conservative. The book was published in Britain and Australia as What's the Matter with America?.

[yallerdawg]

47. Let's analyze how all these white women are voting.

Alabama just did a good thing - but that ain't enough.

[judesedit]

49. This map shows a stolen election..nothing more

[yallerdawg]

53. Except in Alabama.

Where a third of white women voters were enough to swing the election to a Democrat for the first time in a quarter century.

[judesedit]

48. It has to do with "The Dumbing Down Of America"

Check it out and understand.

[eppur_se_muova]

50. God works in mysterious. Evangelicals, on the other hand, are just plain irrational. nt

[Orrex]

52. I prefer to phrase it as "they voted in favor of child rape."

And I sincerely think these devotees of child rape for proving that we don't need their votes, nor should we seek them out. We have no need to "reach out to" or "understand" or "empathize with" Trump voters. They can go fuck themselves.



The dedicated and courageous black voters have shown us our party's strength, and they have shown us the way to the future.

[yuiyoshida]

54. This doesn't surprise me

not in the least.

[muntrv]

55. These supporters of Roy Moore must think "Stand By Your Man" is a Christian hymn.

[jalan48]

56. I think it just shows us that when it comes to politics and ethics men and women can be the same.

It would be nice if "women can save the world" were true, unfortunately it just isn't so.

[kcr]

57. White men are getting a pass because...?

But we're going with Shame White Women as a GOTV strategy anyway. Brilliant.

[David__77]

63. It flows from political stupidity.

...

[oberliner]

62. Headline is a lie

The vast majority of white women in Alabama did not vote for Roy Moore (or any other candidate).

[David__77]

64. Excellent point.

...

[workinclasszero]

78. But they were willing to sit at home and let a pedophile get elected?

I'd hold off on the congratulations, just sayin.

[mainer]

65. I think it broke along evangelical lines. White non-evangelical women voted for Doug Jones.

While white evangelical women voted for Moore.

It's religion that was the deciding factor.

[Butterflylady]

70. How can they look

at themselves in the mirror?
I would be so embarrassed, but then I have a conscious and a soul that can't be bought by the devil himself.

[Turbineguy]

72. Are there a lot of

wife-beaters in Alabama?

[alarimer]

75. 2/3 of white women who voted, you mean.

People play these semantic games all the time. Turnout was higher than expected, but still quite low. But I'm sure it was higher among some groups than in others, in terms of the number of registered voters who actually voted.

Voter apathy is something we must all work to overcome. But it does not good lambasted an entire group of people for something they did not actually do.

[kcr]

77. It's spinning a relatively high Evangelical turn out into "White Women did it"

And I think that's highly unwise, not to mention not entirely accurate. Right wingers are a reliable voting block, and Evangelicals are a very conservative bunch. Not to mention it gives an even greater voting block, the men, a pass. It concerns me that this talking point seems to be gaining traction on the left.

[standingtall]

91. turnout being lower for white people in Alabama does not

absolve them. They could've showed up and voted against Roy Moore to contribute to saving their state from electing a pedophile. They didn't show up because their republicans. Which means if a pedophile wasn't on the ballot they would've showed up to vote for a republican that what of supported an agenda that is harmful to minorities,poor people and the middle class.

[struggle4progress]

115. Yeah. AL has about 3.3 million voters with a "white" fraction around 0.726;

something like 1.3 million actually voted, 48% for Moore

As a crude first estimate, we might expect about 3.3*0.726*0.5 = 1.2 million white female registered voters and about 1.3*0.726*0.5*0.48 = 0.23 million white female Moore voters

That is, the fraction of actual Moore voters among white female registered voters was probably around 1.3*0.48/3.3 = 19%; and the fraction of actual Moore voters among white female actual voters was probably around 0.48

[standingtall]

90. begining to think that white people including

white men and white women that support republicans no matter what will not be broken of voting against their own interest until they suffer the real consequences of their actions something like the great depression and even then it might not be enough.

They have been conditioned for generations to believe that the abortion issue is important for them and that anyone who supports a woman's right to choice is a baby killer. However it apparently has occurred them that they support a party that wants to take healthcare away from children which will lead to the death of children, but suffering first.

Beyond the abortion issue,being homophobes and racist there really is no reason for most of them to be supporting republicans. Pretty sure the majority of them are not wealthy.

[pandr32]

104. Successfully indoctrinated

[Awsi Dooger]

121. That picture looks exactly like my 75 year old aunt and her new circle of friends

I mean exactly...expressions and all.

She is mesmerized by Donald Trump. Every time I visit her house the first thing she pushes on me is the latest fear topic being pedaled on the local Fox affiliate, whether it's North Korea or some local murder by an immigrant. She wants the wall built as soon and as high as possible.

It is a different world. The issues and actions that we think should be swaying their opinion have no impact whatsoever.

We always have a political argument on Christmas Eve. I suspect this year will be do different. We visit her church for midnight mass and she tries to convert me, on religion and politics. I'm not going to be silent night. I can walk her in three sentences on any topic but since she has no idea what I'm talking about so she keeps going.

[treestar]

123. 1/3 white women is not all that bad in such a red state

how to get more women to see to their own interests rather than their husbands'?

[dembotoz]

127. remember this

we can pretend they will vote different and oh how can they vote like that...but that is how they voted

[JimBeard]

136. I have been involved in Politics for sometime now and have tried to inderstand voter behavior.

Most of the time you can not change a voters attitude but you can sell them something that they THINK they like or some other BUTTON issue.

I could never figure out why the poor white people voted against their own interest.

There was a huge anger at the grocery store checkout when food stamps were used. At the checkout line there was a mix of races and economic status and usually if there was a problem the working poor white folks would make comment on the food stamp class.

The majority whites were barely making it while other races were collecting food stamps where God and everyone could see them.

Usually it was at the end of the day when people were tired that I noticed the discontent.

You can't tell if it is food subsidies now because the cards are like credit cards.

I call it compression. I believe the discontent is extremely strong where one person gets assistance making $8 an hour and another one making $8.01 without assistance and spreads outward until middle class is reached.

There are other things but I just wanted to maybe give some type of reason for the split.

I forgot about politicans making the split larger like Reagan and his welfare queen story.