Is Sen. Sanders taking credit for Jones victory? Most of the responses

[lunamagica]

to his tweet seem to think so.

You be the judge

Link to tweet

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[Chasstev365]

1. No!

[bettyellen]

2. Didn't "our revolution" not support Doug Jones? Huh?

[lunamagica]

22. They did no support him, quite the opposite

[lapucelle]

68. Our Revolution, the DSA, Brand New Congress, and the Justice Democrats

sat on their hands last night.

[elleng]

3. No.

[sheshe2]

104. Please explain, ellen.

I am leaning toward a yes, yet they never supported the candidate. However the maligned DNC poured millions into the race quietly behind the scenes. We won. It was a huge win for us all. We did it.

[elleng]

105. I see no basis upon which to say he is 'taking credit' for such.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. Hmm...Hmm...

I dont dare say more.

[Me.]

5. There's A Lot Of 'WE' Going On

But I don't take that as claiming credit. Hope he pays attention especially as Senator-Elect Jones is pro-choice.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. No. I don't see anything like that at all.

[brush]

76. Funny he now sees the value of the black vote, which he didn't during the 2016 primaries

Live and learn

[LuvLoogie]

7. Woodfin and Jones are Democrats, no?

This was Democrats organizing Democrats to get out the Democratic vote for the Democratic candidate.

[Nevernose]

18. And Bernie is a Democrat

The “independent” thing is, and always has been, schtick. It’s part of the political theater.

[Me.]

102. Nonsense

why would you insist so when clearly he has said he's an indie.

[NurseJackie]

8. I agree with many of the responses...

... very astute and observant voters.

[melman]

17. What a shock

[NurseJackie]

115. I know! Right?! I'm full of surprises, aren't I?

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. I co-sign your observation. And he's still taking shots at the mythical "establishment" Democrats.

[NurseJackie]

46. All the bells and whistles to thrill...

... and excite.

[Tarheel_Dem]

50. Jones invited Corey Booker & Deval Patrick to campaign with him, but no Sanders, and we know....

exactly why, and it has absolutely nothing to do with not wanting "northern liberals" involved.

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. No need to explain. The poster understands exactly what was meant.

[Tarheel_Dem]

94. Thanks. I'll give your suggestion all the consideration it so richly deserves.

[NurseJackie]

67. I do. And other like-minded Democrats...

... likely do as well. It's good to know that others share our opinions and interpretations. I'm not at all surprised at the not so subtle bullying to silence us and take our exchange offline.

[NurseJackie]

73. Telling someone to take it to pm's is...

... NOT "asking fo clarification". GMAFB!

[NurseJackie]

75. I +am+ keeping up...

... after all... I'm not the one who needed explanations.

[NurseJackie]

78. I know. Thanks for noticing! :-)

You're really something too!

[NurseJackie]

83. LOL ... I'm so sure.

[NurseJackie]

88. That could be fun!

Let's see your creativity!

[NurseJackie]

92. Yeah right! I called your bluff...

... and you bail out. Pretty much what I expected. Okay. Whatever. Enjoy your wine.

[brush]

79. How's this for clarification. Sanders disregared the importance of the black vote in the 2016...

primaries. Doug Jones no doubt remembered that, as did black voters in Alabama.

What good would his participation have done when he was so against "identity politics"?

You must remember that bit also?

[NurseJackie]

81. I remember.

That was an excellent summary and reminder for anyone who wasn't paying attention or who doesn't like to recall inconvenient or embarrassing facts. Thank you.

[brush]

84. Not hostility. Just the facts.

[brush]

89. See you're kinda new here. Better develop a thicker skin if you think citing a few facts is hostile.

[brush]

93. You'll get the hang of it. Just keep on doing your best.

[NurseJackie]

116. I think he gave up and bailed out...

... I'm so not surprised.

[LexVegas]

114. I agree as well.

[nini]

9. Did he endorse Jones?

[lunamagica]

10. As far as I know, he did not

[nini]

12. Well, then I find his remarks interesting

very interesting.

[sheshe2]

52. Not that I know of.

Though Obama and Biden did. The robo calls were awesome.

[pnwmom]

28. No. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

11. I don't recall Bernie doing any stumping or rallies for Jones

or did I miss that part?

[lunamagica]

16. No, you didn't miss anything. No stumping or rallies for Jones, as far as

I can remember.

[rog]

39. You could dig a little deeper to find out why.

Seems to me the Jones campaign thought it was a bad idea for outsiders, especially northern liberals, to be seen as meddling. In addition, Jones declined to go to Washington for a fund raiser, for just this reason.

An Alabama Senate Candidate Keeps Democratic Leaders Away — but Not Their Money

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/us/politics/alabama-doug-jones-roy-moore-democrats.html

National Democratic groups have not spent a dollar on their own television or radio commercials promoting Mr. Jones, a former federal prosecutor. The party’s most popular campaigners, such as former President Barack Obama and Senator Bernie Sanders, independent of Vermont, have not set foot in the state.

...

“It’s an Alabama race,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, said at a news conference on Monday, repeating the phrase three times for emphasis. ... as Mr. Schumer demonstrated, they are acutely aware of the risk of being seen as orchestrating the race from afar.

...

And far from being shunned by the party, Mr. Jones’s top advisers have been open about which direction the shunning is going.

“Stay home, this is our race and we’ll decide it here,” said Giles Perkins, a former Alabama Democratic Party chairman and one of Mr. Jones’s strategists.

...

Mr. Jones decided not to travel to Washington on Tuesday night for a $500 per-person cocktail party fund-raiser headlined by such Democratic luminaries as Senator Kamala Harris and Eric H. Holder Jr., the former attorney general, because he saw no reason to do anything that could let Republicans redirect the focus of the campaign from Mr. Moore.

It could be that B Sanders and others were working behind the scenes.

Bernie Sanders, Randall Woodfin may aid Doug Jones in Senate campaign

http://www.alreporter.com/2017/10/26/reports-bernie-sanders-woodfin-troops-may-coming-aid-jones-senate-campaign/

Wednesday, October 17, The New York Times reported that “national leaders, including Senators Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders, have appealed to Mr. (Randall) Woodfin to deploy his field organization to help Mr. Jones in the Special Election for the Senate.”

.rog.

[seaglass]

43. Cory Booker campaigned for him. n/t

[rog]

51. I like Cory Booker. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

45. What about Corey Booker and Deval Patrick?

[rog]

54. I have to say, you guys don't think things through very well. I like and support both of them. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

59. I have to say "you guys" don't either.

[rog]

62. I specifically meant you and Seaglass.

Nice shot, though ... I felt a little sting, but I'm still standing and there's not a mark on me!

How 'bout finding something else to do?

.rog.

[Tarheel_Dem]

96. "How 'bout finding something else to do?" Now, there's a suggestion. Works both ways.

[Tarheel_Dem]

99. Mmmmkay. C'ya.

[sheshe2]

70. The DNC took notice.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029980198

[rog]

72. Please, everyone, refer to my first post, #39, and read the articles. Thank you. n/t

[R B Garr]

106. You should take your own advice about paying

attention. The OP asked if Sanders was taking credit for the win last night. The linked comments are probably what upset you, as they are emphatic that Sanders didn’t help.

[Voltaire2]

13. Please let it go.

Please. Enough.

[secondwind]

53. Thank you!

[spanone]

14. ...

[Demsrule86]

15. No, it is great comment...spot on.

[Raine1967]

19. No.

This is a good post from Sanders.

I'm not going to nitpick this.

[ornotna]

20. Didn't see any "I's" or "me's"

Pretty sure he was referring to "we" the people.

Sounds like some people just can't let it go, still fighting the primaries.

[NurseJackie]

25. How so? Exactly how is the op guilty of that?

[ProfessorGAC]

35. The Ax Being Ground...

...has become a sliver of metal!

[George II]

29. It's not the OP that can't let it go.

[ProfessorGAC]

36. We Disagree Totally

Sorry, the OP is picking a fight!

[m-lekktor]

65. yeah it is

Please.

[ms liberty]

95. It's not just the OP that can't let it go

There. Fixed it for ya.

[phleshdef]

21. No.

[mythology]

23. Nope. Not even a little bit.

[pnwmom]

24. Bernie says he's a strong candidate but he didn't endorse him in the primary.

Here are Doug Jones's endorsements from national figures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Alabama,_2017

U.S. Vice President
Joe Biden, 47th Vice President of the United States[155]
U.S. Senator
Maggie Hassan, U.S Senator (D-NH)[156]
Jeff Flake, U.S Senator (R-AZ)[157]
U.S. Representatives
John Lewis, U.S. Representative (D-GA)[158]
Tim Ryan, U.S. Representative (D-OH)[159]
Terri Sewell, U.S. Representative (D-AL)[160]
Cedric Richmond, U.S. Representative (D-LA), Congressional Black Caucus Chairman[161]
James Clyburn, U.S. Representative (D-SC), Assistant Minority Leader[161]
State figures
Patricia Todd, State Representative[162]
Christopher J. England, State Representative
Omar Neal, Former Tuskegee, Alabama Mayor[161]

[NurseJackie]

27. Seems like endorsing him was a no-brainer.

Why would any ally not do so?

[riversedge]

26. No, I do not think so.

[democrank]

30. No.

[ClarendonDem]

31. Help me understand

The point of this post. What are we trying to accomplish here?

[melman]

49. The point?

Same as it always is. Divisive shit-stirring.

[ClarendonDem]

63. That sounds accurate

[guillaumeb]

32. No, it does not seem at all like that. eom

[ProfessorGAC]

34. If I'm Judging, No

Not sure how anyone reads it that way without a tangential ax to grind.

[oasis]

37. ImWithWhatsHisName!

[dragonlady]

40. No.

A very inspiring essay.

[TexasTowelie]

41. Darn it.

I had 9:07 a.m. EST in the pool.

[ornotna]

47. !

[VermontKevin]

42. Did a dime of Our Revolution go to Doug Jones?

[blitzen]

48. Sanders is grandstanding as usual n/t

[left-of-center2012]

55. More stirring the pot

Let's stop the circular firing squad and focus on 2018 and 2020.

[stonecutter357]

57. stay the hell out of ALABAMA .......... AND go Doug Jones.

[Doodley]

60. To be honest, although Bernie is probably closer to my political views than just about any

politician in America, I am sick of him. He's only a Democrat when it suits him. It took him too long to rally behind Hillary. His ego gets in the way of him. He's not a team player. Either be a Democrat or S.T.F.U.

[FloridaBlues]

87. Yep have to agree with your assessment Doodley

[Tarheel_Dem]

97. +1

[melman]

100. Wow

What a bold and fresh perspective. Never seen that expressed here before.

[efhmc]

112. Well said.

N/T

[Eko]

64. Not a single thing about the DNC.

And he said Establishment once by it self and establishment Democratic another time. But he is our friend.

[lapucelle]

66. Neither Our Revolution nor the Democratic Socialists of America

lifted a finger to help. And where were the Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress?

There was a revolution last night in Alabama. It's ironic that they missed it.

[m-lekktor]

69. Awwwww

somebody needs a hug.

[andym]

101. Ironically there was a Bernie involved in the Moore/Jones race

The fictional reporter Bernie Bernstein was calling folks to inquire about paying women cold cash if they would say they were abused by Moore. Why? It was a dirty trick by the Moore campaign/GOP fellow travelers to discredit the accusers and stir up antisemitic sentiment.
It probably won Moore a few votes as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-bernstein-is-mad-as-hell-and-will-accept-obscurity-no-more/2017/11/15/35df66c8-ca4e-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html

"After years of toiling in obscurity, Bernie gained national attention Tuesday when an Alabama pastor shared with a local TV station a voice mail left by Bernie. “Hi, this is Bernie Bernstein. I’m a reporter for The Washington Post calling to find out if anyone at this address is a female between the ages of 54 to 57 years old willing to make damaging remarks about candidate Roy Moore for a reward of between $5,000 and $7,000,” it said. “We will not be fully investigating these claims. However, we will make a written report.”

This produced a rather harsh response from Marty Baron, The Post’s executive editor, about the person “falsely claiming to be from The Washington Post. The call’s description of our reporting methods bears no relationship to reality. We are shocked and appalled that anyone would stoop to this level to discredit real journalism.” A Post article about the episode piled on, alleging that “there are no Washington Post reporters or editors named Bernie Bernstein,” and a Post spokeswoman dutifully explained that there is “an explicit policy that prohibits paying sources.”

[David__77]

103. Factionalist nonsense.

I figured someone might come along and stir up factionalism.

[Iggo]

113. Divide and conquer, baby. Divide. And. Conquer.

Right after a Dem victory. Like clockwork.

[JI7]

107. The Election actually goes against many things he claims

[R B Garr]

108. LOL, I noticed that, too. Some statements just

didn’t match up.

[all american girl]

109. What's this we that you speak of bernie

Our Revolution or you couldn't be found anywhere...in AL, VA, NJ, or Atlanta. You don't get to take credit for the hard work of others...black women. I see you like to do that. I went over to your tweet comment part, and black tweeter's not having it. I think I'll just stand with the women who do the work, the black women.

[bigtree]

110. dunno

...but most of the AA votes were Hillary's in the primary in the South - like 70%-80%

[Iggo]

111. Keep fightin' that primary!