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Where's all the "Tom Perez blame" this morning? (Original Post) George II Dec 2017 OP
(Crickets)How'd the DSA policy of not voting since Jones was a white-male corporate stooge work out? FSogol Dec 2017 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author suegeo Dec 2017 #66
The DNC came in quiet... yallerdawg Dec 2017 #2
very very smart. We lose elections that are nationalized. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #16
The DNC did a super job DownriverDem Dec 2017 #40
The quiet man is a veritable genius. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #3
Perez is on a roll Zambero Dec 2017 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author suegeo Dec 2017 #67
??????? Iliyah Dec 2017 #5
This Hekate Dec 2017 #25
Ditto. iluvtennis Dec 2017 #37
I like dull. Give me dull. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2017 #64
Impressive ollie10 Dec 2017 #6
Looks like he's two for two to me workinclasszero Dec 2017 #7
And New Jersey, although Christie did all the "heavy work" there. George II Dec 2017 #10
Oh crap totally whiffed on NJ! workinclasszero Dec 2017 #11
So much that I'm getting sick of it! George II Dec 2017 #24
Hang on for the blue wave in 2018!! workinclasszero Dec 2017 #28
I'm in NJ... vi5 Dec 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author suegeo Dec 2017 #63
What type of stuff did they do for this race? vi5 Dec 2017 #8
DNC did a sleath attack. Iliyah Dec 2017 #12
Sleath attacks are good, right? marble falls Dec 2017 #38
Beware the sleath!! Beartracks Dec 2017 #44
Get out the vote...really worked to turn out Black voters...also put money in the race...lots of it. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #17
Here's a great thread about the on-the-ground GOTV effort Scoopster Dec 2017 #35
That is a must-read thread for a how-to-win playbook on the ground for GOTV efforts. TeamPooka Dec 2017 #56
He may not be "exciting" (per some) mcar Dec 2017 #9
We don't need "exciting" for that job. That's the candidates' job...to be exciting. brush Dec 2017 #20
That's exactly right mcar Dec 2017 #31
K&R stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #13
Joe Trippi did a great job too world wide wally Dec 2017 #14
Yes, indeed. I'm wondering also. (Thank you for asking.) NurseJackie Dec 2017 #15
DNC waged stealth organizing campaign for Jones Gothmog Dec 2017 #19
VERY shrewd. And we haven't had shrewd maneuvering calimary Dec 2017 #21
Ok...I forgive Move On for primarying Tim Ryan in Ohio. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #45
As I understand it zentrum Dec 2017 #22
Thank you. I also understand the situation in Alabama this way... Raster Dec 2017 #29
There you go! zentrum Dec 2017 #34
God, I really hope DNC money was used for more than ads... vi5 Dec 2017 #42
It was used for more...money well spent. We won. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #46
Couldn't agree more. zentrum Dec 2017 #52
A lot of criticisms are unfounded... vi5 Dec 2017 #58
Interesting.... vi5 Dec 2017 #41
Some can never give the Democratic Party any credit but are free with blame always. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #47
Stealth campaign on the premise that Dems .. ananda Dec 2017 #23
It wasn't. Consider the Georgia election. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #48
+1 Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #26
Here's one... Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #27
It's pretty clear to me now what Perez is all about. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #30
And that's what he's supposed to do as DNC chair mcar Dec 2017 #33
I like folks like that too...they do the heavy lifting and are not running for a camera every two Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #49
Already miles ahead of DWS. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2017 #32
This is so. irisblue Dec 2017 #39
She wasn't good. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Dec 2017 #36
This has been compared to the Scott Brown victory which heralded a Democratic wipe out in 10. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #51
Perez is why we are doing well. Blue_true Dec 2017 #53
Bernie also called for Franken to resign. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #54
You haven't shown any evidence for many of these assertions. rogue emissary Dec 2017 #55
This! peggysue2 Dec 2017 #57
I am not pleased with asking Franken to step down which many know...but I don't advocate anyone Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #59
Yes to that, absolutely peggysue2 Dec 2017 #60
Exactly, we should be celebrating this victory. rogue emissary Dec 2017 #61
Derp. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #65
S I L E N C E !!!!!! The narrative from yesterday didn't go the whiner's way. nt Blue_true Dec 2017 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author suegeo Dec 2017 #62

Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
4. Perez is on a roll
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:16 AM
Dec 2017

He directed a stealth operation in Alabama that yielded stunning results. And no to forget the recent Virginia statewide results exceeding all expectation. So far so good.

Response to Zambero (Reply #4)

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. ???????
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:16 AM
Dec 2017

He may be dull but apparently he is an effective one.

Personally, I trust Pres O, and Mr. Perez was one of his top choices.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
6. Impressive
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:18 AM
Dec 2017

Spend the money.

Smart enough not to send a bunch of "Yankee Carpetbaggers" into a Southern state to campaign.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
18. I'm in NJ...
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:56 AM
Dec 2017

...nobody gets credit for that except Chris Christie. DNC wasn't really anywhere to be found. But the fact is that we could have run a moldy sandwich with a D after it's name and we would have won so it would have been silly for the party to put time, effort, or money into NJ. It was much better spent in VA where things were closer.

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #7)

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
8. What type of stuff did they do for this race?
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:21 AM
Dec 2017

Not saying they didn't. I'm just curious. Whoever did whatever....it obviously worked. Particularly the GOTV.

Nice work all around.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
17. Get out the vote...really worked to turn out Black voters...also put money in the race...lots of it.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:41 AM
Dec 2017

Scoopster

(423 posts)
35. Here's a great thread about the on-the-ground GOTV effort
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 12:16 PM
Dec 2017



I've posted this more than once today - the DNC as well as the NAACP and local groups of residents who banded together all deserve massive amounts of credit for their work. Tom Perez & the DNC brought some of the stuff that was successful in Virginia down to Alabama and it helped a great deal.

TeamPooka

(24,228 posts)
56. That is a must-read thread for a how-to-win playbook on the ground for GOTV efforts.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:53 PM
Dec 2017

Thank you for sharing it with us.

brush

(53,784 posts)
20. We don't need "exciting" for that job. That's the candidates' job...to be exciting.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 11:46 AM
Dec 2017

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Perez knows how to work with the AA community, a big part of the base, to get out the vote.

Also he didn't spend most of the funds on TV ads. He distributed much to local organizing groups who took it from there.

The TV ads he did spend on were very effect though.

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
19. DNC waged stealth organizing campaign for Jones
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:57 AM
Dec 2017

this makes me smile https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/12/alabama-senate-democrats-jones-293496

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — With the spotlight squarely on Roy Moore in the closing weeks of Alabama's Senate special election, a constellation of Democratic groups embarked on an under-the-radar effort to organize voters for candidate Doug Jones.

Despite publicly remaining mum on the race, the Democratic National Committee spent nearly $1 million on the contest while dispatching and funding 30 aides here, a party official told POLITICO. That push came just as Jones sought to distance himself from the national party and win over conservatives.


It was a politically delicate move. Jones’ detractors have tried painting him as a tool of the national party, so Democrats in Washington have tried treading carefully in order to avoid leaving too much of a footprint in a state where Democrats haven’t won a Senate seat in over two decades. The effort paid off: Jones prevailed Tuesday.

But the DNC and other national Democrats have also come under fire from critics this year for their perceived lack of involvement in other special elections, so the committee has been eager to chip in.

calimary

(81,298 posts)
21. VERY shrewd. And we haven't had shrewd maneuvering
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 11:53 AM
Dec 2017

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and/or strategizing like that in awhile. And we sure have been needing it!

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
45. Ok...I forgive Move On for primarying Tim Ryan in Ohio.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:14 PM
Dec 2017

I may even send them a donation. they did some heavy lifting in Alabama.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
22. As I understand it
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 11:56 AM
Dec 2017

…what made this happen were large numbers of ground troops in the African American community who went door to door in their own neighborhoods to TGOTV. It was not organized by anyone other than themselves. As being reported on NPR, the local Democratic Party had no or scarce local organization.

The DNC did give lots of money for ads, it's true. But it was the African American effort, walking and walking door to door, that did it.

Like to give credit where credit is due.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
29. Thank you. I also understand the situation in Alabama this way...
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 12:05 PM
Dec 2017

... It was the African-American Community in Alabama, ESPECIALLY THE WOMEN of the African-American Community, that really came into play. They organized, went door-to-door, stood up in churches and in general, spoke out LOUD AND CLEAR against a vitriolic, racist, bigoted pervert. Sure, the DNC game money for ads and other support, but put credit where credit is due: Just as the African-American Community stood firm and steadfast against tRump*, they also did the same against Moore*.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
42. God, I really hope DNC money was used for more than ads...
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:03 PM
Dec 2017

....Our advertising strategies and our reliance on old forms of campaigning need to be shelved. Money should be get out the vote efforts.

I'll never forget the weekend before the 2016 election, being in my home state of New Jersey and seeing ad after ad after expensive ad being run on deep blue NY/NJ tv stations then going out to swing state PA and seeing nothing. The amount of money that was spent on those NY market media buys had to have been insane and were a colossal waste of money.

If we are going to continue relying on traditional advertising then it needs to be better managed. But overall we should be shifting money away from that and into ground game gotv efforts.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
52. Couldn't agree more.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:20 PM
Dec 2017

The Repugs apparently have run a ground game door to door for many election cycles.

The DNC must start funding these efforts for our troops. There was a dearth of this in 2016.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
58. A lot of criticisms are unfounded...
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 02:12 PM
Dec 2017

...but I think the one accurate criticism of Hillary was that she surrounded herself far too much with old-guard, old-media loyalists who were operating on one too many outdated assumptions about campaigning and where to spend money. I won't get into whether that was nefarious or naive (or maybe a combination of both) on her staff's part, but it was something we need to learn from and hopefully have at least based on the most recent elections..

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
41. Interesting....
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 12:59 PM
Dec 2017

I'm really curious how much the DNC was involved in the ground game.

I want to believe that we've turned the corner on spending insane amounts of money on well connected consultants and advertising agencies who do nothing but line their pockets while losing elections, and that we are now spending that money on get out the vote efforts as I've heard the DNC did in AL.

But I've seen no actual evidence other than some gloating threads giving all of the credit to the DNC. And maybe they did do what I hope they did.

ananda

(28,865 posts)
23. Stealth campaign on the premise that Dems ..
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 11:57 AM
Dec 2017

.. tend to lose elections that are nationalized?

I'm not sure how this election wasn't .. nationalized I mean.

???

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
48. It wasn't. Consider the Georgia election.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:16 PM
Dec 2017

This was smart. The DNC quietly worked on Jones' behalf.

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
27. Here's one...
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 12:03 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029974361

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — With the spotlight squarely on Roy Moore in the closing weeks of Alabama's Senate special election, a constellation of Democratic groups embarked on an under-the-radar effort to organize voters for candidate Doug Jones.

Despite publicly remaining mum on the race, the Democratic National Committee spent nearly $1 million on the contest while dispatching and funding 30 aides here, a party official told POLITICO. That push came just as Jones sought to distance himself from the national party and win over conservatives.

It was a politically delicate move. Jones’ detractors have tried painting him as a tool of the national party, so Democrats in Washington have tried treading carefully in order to avoid leaving too much of a footprint in a state where Democrats haven’t won a Senate seat in over two decades. The effort paid off: Jones prevailed Tuesday.

But the DNC and other national Democrats have also come under fire from critics this year for their perceived lack of involvement in other special elections, so the committee has been eager to chip in.


https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/12/alabama-senate-democrats-jones-293496

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
30. It's pretty clear to me now what Perez is all about.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 12:07 PM
Dec 2017

He's the guy behind the guy who gets shit done. Quietly. That works for me. I like people like that. Small minded people who only care about entertaining cable news segments and catchy sound bites are going to be disappointed.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
49. I like folks like that too...they do the heavy lifting and are not running for a camera every two
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:17 PM
Dec 2017

minutes.

Response to George II (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
51. This has been compared to the Scott Brown victory which heralded a Democratic wipe out in 10.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:19 PM
Dec 2017

Here is hoping we have a Dem wave in 2018.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
53. Perez is why we are doing well.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:25 PM
Dec 2017

In Virginia, in races in most of the country and now in Alabama. Perez organizes locals quietly. Yes, we lost some early races while he got settled in, but his leadership has been quiet and damned amazing. He stays, period. I am looking forward to more success from his leadership.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
54. Bernie also called for Franken to resign.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:28 PM
Dec 2017

Should he go as well?

The folks who hate Perez are going to have to try harder. The results in Va. and Alabama are cutting into their narrative pretty badly.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
55. You haven't shown any evidence for many of these assertions.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:47 PM
Dec 2017

What evidence do you have that Perez was the first Democrat to call for Franken to resign? I'd call this a lie but I don't know what you've seen that leads you to make this claim. it's interesting that Perez must step down. Yet you still display the avatar of Sanders who called for Franken to resign without due process.

It's still too early to say if Perez is right or wrong fit as DNC Chairman. There's been a lot of unexpected success under Perez's short term of service. Which makes me believes he's doing a good job.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
57. This!
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 02:05 PM
Dec 2017

x 1000

btw, who benefits from this sort of thinking, finger-pointing and calls for resignation? Particularly for a DNC Chairman racking up remarkable successes. I was against the Franken pile-on/resignation but haven't seen anything indicating Perez the first one to step out and/or issue orders to the troops.

Can't we enjoy the Alabama moment for at least a short while???

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
59. I am not pleased with asking Franken to step down which many know...but I don't advocate anyone
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 02:21 PM
Dec 2017

'goes' ....no primaries and no firings...we need to stick together. We won't always be happy about everything that is done by our people.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
60. Yes to that, absolutely
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 02:30 PM
Dec 2017


Let's multiply the success rate, not shoot ourselves in the foot. 2018 will be here quicker than we know and the ground is shifting. For the country and Democrats. Hallelujah!

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
61. Exactly, we should be celebrating this victory.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 03:27 PM
Dec 2017

It's obvious that some people on the left aren't too happy that Jones won.

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