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mcar

(42,333 posts)
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 02:53 PM Dec 2017

What I Saw Inside Roy Moore's Barn Burner

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a14415471/roy-moore-last-rally/

...You try. Seriously, you do. You give the benefit of the doubt to people because, what the hell, they’re the same species as you are, and they have the right to their opinions, and they can certainly vote into office whomever the hell they want. But sometimes, there is absolutely no way to keep faith with the truth and with your readers without pointing out that circumstances have led you into a hall of funhouse mirrors.

On Monday night, in Jordan’s Activity Barn, they had the last rally on behalf of Judge Roy Moore, the Republican candidate in Tuesday’s special election to replace Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III in the United States Senate. The whole event was lousy with pestiferous Bible-banging. Both reality and American history were fed into individual woodchippers. The theme of the night’s devotions was that Nobody Comes Into Alabama And Tells Us How To Vote. This theme was emphasized by the night’s roster of speakers, which included: a carbuncled vandal from Virginia (Steve Bannon); a failed congressional candidate from Wisconsin (Paul Nehlen); a disgraced sheriff from Wisconsin (David Clarke, Jr.), and a sitting congressman from Texas (Louie Gohmert). They all took turns bashing all the rank outsiders who came into Alabama to campaign for Doug Jones, the Democratic nominee.

Up was down. Down was up. Thomas Paine, of all people, was enlisted in the cause of an out-and-out theocrat, and the person who did so quoted him from the wrong pamphlet anyway. Abraham Lincoln was invoked repeatedly on behalf of a neo-Confederate who speculated that the Constitution might be improved by removing the amendments passed immediately after the Civil War. Moore was defended against the allegations of child molestation by an old Army buddy who told a story about how they all were taken to a brothel in Vietnam one night and Moore refused to pay for sex with prostitutes who may have been underage. Res ipse loquitur, y’all, and the adoring crowd drank it all down like so much apple brandy.

At the risk of sounding like every liberal Yankee bogeyman flitting through the minds of the assembled, this event was completely nuts. It was a naked appeal to unreason. It was the Rose Parade of empowered ignorance. It was the Royal Wedding of Stupid and Mean. It was the Celebration of the Lizard Brain. The Id was in the saddle, and it was riding the crowd, and the barker at this particular carnival of fools was quite happy to bring all the suckers in out of the Alabama dark and into the freak show he’d created.
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What I Saw Inside Roy Moore's Barn Burner (Original Post) mcar Dec 2017 OP
K&R highplainsdem Dec 2017 #1
And we should reach across the aisle for these people? jpak Dec 2017 #2
Not worth it at all mcar Dec 2017 #19
.... not without wearing those little blue gloves CSI wears, at any rate. marble falls Dec 2017 #39
I agree. truestwords Dec 2017 #48
I'm with Pierce here. I used to stick up for the Evangelicals. No more. Girard442 Dec 2017 #3
+100 Duppers Dec 2017 #13
Send in evangelical atheists? DemocracyMouse Dec 2017 #4
A new Bob Ingersoll. Girard442 Dec 2017 #6
How about a bunch of decent Christians go there Mariana Dec 2017 #12
Missionaries of sanity. That's really funny! PatrickforO Dec 2017 #38
You do know, of course that most of those long suffering black communities are heavily Christian... marble falls Dec 2017 #40
Understood DemocracyMouse Dec 2017 #58
Wonder if my brother in law was there. appleannie1943 Dec 2017 #5
Seems like a cowards way out. They run when the battle begins. alfredo Dec 2017 #18
Beautifully done malaise Dec 2017 #7
ex-Sheriff David Clarke flew from Wisconsin to promote a racist oasis Dec 2017 #8
Wouldn't that..... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #44
"But...but...Clarke wears a cowboy hat, he's one of us" oasis Dec 2017 #46
"He refused to pay for sex with prostitutes" misanthrope Dec 2017 #9
"Roy only bought legal-aged prostitutes. He had standards" 7962 Dec 2017 #14
And what would the age of consent BE..... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #45
I took it to mean the exact opposite mercuryblues Dec 2017 #53
Ouch!! 7962 Dec 2017 #54
Exactly! Dale Neiburg Dec 2017 #51
A nightmare. gademocrat7 Dec 2017 #10
K & R Duppers Dec 2017 #11
That's an opinion I agree with Progressive dog Dec 2017 #15
Saw on MSNBC that Pierce was there. Ligyron Dec 2017 #16
He does mcar Dec 2017 #20
He took it on the chin for all of us NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #21
Yup, only if I got paid to write a story on it. Ligyron Dec 2017 #23
He seemed totally disgusted mcar Dec 2017 #32
YUK! VaBchTgerLily Dec 2017 #17
Nobody comes into Alabama and tells us how to vote rpannier Dec 2017 #22
Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican (n/t) PJMcK Dec 2017 #49
OMG. It's like a cult. GAH iluvtennis Dec 2017 #24
K&R Scurrilous Dec 2017 #25
Pinheads Aviation Pro Dec 2017 #26
K & R to infinity.... dhill926 Dec 2017 #27
K&R. dchill Dec 2017 #28
"the Rose Parade of empowered ignorance" BadGimp Dec 2017 #29
That's some good writing right there. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2017 #30
K&R. Sounds like wading into a sewer. 58Sunliner Dec 2017 #31
White Supremacist are far more dangerous compared to Islamic terrorists Gothmog Dec 2017 #33
Chaz Pierce sees it and tells it like it is. nt Hekate Dec 2017 #34
Pierces best all time best essay Nevernose Dec 2017 #35
" It was the Royal Wedding of Stupid and Mean." eissa Dec 2017 #36
These people all deserve what happens to them. alarimer Dec 2017 #37
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2017 #41
K&R zentrum Dec 2017 #42
"Nobody Comes Into Alabama And Tells Us How To Vote." keithbvadu2 Dec 2017 #43
"the Celebration of the Lizard Brain" lindysalsagal Dec 2017 #47
Great writing and the ending nails my feelings PJMcK Dec 2017 #50
K&R +1000 ATL Ebony Dec 2017 #52
"... outsiders who came into Alabama to campaign for Doug Jones ..." eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #55
Scathing. sofa king Dec 2017 #56
god, his writing....hes superb!! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #57

Girard442

(6,073 posts)
3. I'm with Pierce here. I used to stick up for the Evangelicals. No more.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 03:06 PM
Dec 2017

I once thought that, despite their being misinformed on some issues, and their unfortunate tendency to be taken in by flimflam artists, they were still fairly decent people with good hearts.

Screw 'em. They support Roy Moore because they are Roy Moore.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
4. Send in evangelical atheists?
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 03:45 PM
Dec 2017

Should more sober states send into Alabama evangelical atheists? Like missionaries of sanity? A hoard of librarians with iPads bookmarked to media literacy courses?

I realize, of course, that there are millions of sane Alabamians, beginning with the long-suffering black community there. But they need allies and no matter what today's election brings about, we should have a plan for these suffering states. All of America is complicit if we do nothing.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
12. How about a bunch of decent Christians go there
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:19 PM
Dec 2017

to show them the error of their ways? There are so very few "evangelical atheists" but there are supposed to be lots and lots of decent Christians.

marble falls

(57,093 posts)
40. You do know, of course that most of those long suffering black communities are heavily Christian...
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 08:58 PM
Dec 2017

and their churches are vital parts of the community - that Senator-elect Jones prosecuted the murderers who bombed a church killing four children?????

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
58. Understood
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 04:00 PM
Dec 2017

...and the black Christian community is outnumbered by what, until yesterday's election, seemed like some pretty befuddled white "Christians." I'm suggesting the formation of literacy brigades in part because no matter what the group, distinguishing between fake and serious news is not sufficiently taught in our schools. And so many Americans have zero political awareness, zero analysis, a completely foogy sense of history. And in all the Christian groups, both black and white, there is a lack of familiarity with the LGBTQ world and what it has had to endure for millenia.

appleannie1943

(1,303 posts)
5. Wonder if my brother in law was there.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 03:49 PM
Dec 2017

My sister started out in the early fifties and sixties going here


when Kuhlmann had tabernacles in Pittsburgh and Franklin, PA. From there they graduated to the Brother Frank Longino cult and http://www.libertyharvest.org/history.html. Now the whole bunch of them are in Alabama. And they honestly believe Trumpery was chosen by God to bring about end times when they will all magically fly into heaven while the rest of us fight the battle.

oasis

(49,387 posts)
8. ex-Sheriff David Clarke flew from Wisconsin to promote a racist
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:05 PM
Dec 2017

who thinks America was better off with half the country in slavery.

That fool/tool has to answer for that for the rest of his life. He dare not go back to Wisconsin.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
44. Wouldn't that.....
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 10:44 PM
Dec 2017

along with Bannon et al. constitute people coming to Alabama and telling them who to vote for? Or does that only apply to Democrats coming into the state and telling them who to vote for?

I imagine it's the latter, since Republicans don't recognize their own hypocrisy.

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
9. "He refused to pay for sex with prostitutes"
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:11 PM
Dec 2017

That doesn't technically mean he didn't partake, just that he didn't fork over cash. It also doesn't mean he didn't come back later for a private visit.

Why was Moore in a brothel to begin with? Did the priggish officer intend to violate his rather showy religiosity?

Maybe he didn't indulge because he harbored racial bigotry. Does the Army buddy know that isn't so because Moore indulged in prostitutes at other times?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
14. "Roy only bought legal-aged prostitutes. He had standards"
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:21 PM
Dec 2017

I can just see that speech being made......

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
45. And what would the age of consent BE.....
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 10:51 PM
Dec 2017

in Alabama? Sixteen, maybe? Don't forget, it's a different culture down there.

Dating girls who haven't reached puberty is the accepted norm, or at least it was when Ol' Roy was on the prowl. And he'd always ask their mothers for permission, too. That's a huge plus for Ol' Roy!

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
53. I took it to mean the exact opposite
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 11:01 AM
Dec 2017
Moore refused to pay for sex with prostitutes who may have been underage.


He wanted them to be definitely under age.

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
16. Saw on MSNBC that Pierce was there.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:32 PM
Dec 2017

I knew he'd come up with something good. He almost always does.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
22. Nobody comes into Alabama and tells us how to vote
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 05:12 PM
Dec 2017

Headlined by a guy from Florida, one from Texas and one from Wisconsin. I was unaware those places were all in Alabama

BadGimp

(4,015 posts)
29. "the Rose Parade of empowered ignorance"
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 05:35 PM
Dec 2017

I have not heard a better metaphor in recent memory.

Thank you!

eissa

(4,238 posts)
36. " It was the Royal Wedding of Stupid and Mean."
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 07:59 PM
Dec 2017

Brilliantly written. And, yes, I have no desire to "understand" or "reach out" to the Christian Taliban.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
37. These people all deserve what happens to them.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 08:05 PM
Dec 2017

Hopefully they will die slowly and painfully. Fuck these deplorable assholes. I no longer consider them human. They certainly do not belong to the same species as me.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
50. Great writing and the ending nails my feelings
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:21 AM
Dec 2017
Finally, you give up. Roy Moore is a vehicle for collecting suckers, for liberating them from their responsibility as citizens in a self-governing republic, and anybody who thinks this waterheaded theocrat belongs in the United States Senate is a dupe and a fool. Finally, you don’t care if the people behind Roy Moore, and the people in the crowd in front of him, believe you are a member of the coastal elite or an agent of Lucifer. Finally, you grow weary of the smug condescension of religious bigots. Finally, you decide to put down the twin burdens of excusing deliberate ignorance and respecting the opinions of people who want to light the world on fire to kill their imaginary enemies. And you give up and tell the truth.

These people deserve what they get.


Mr. Pierce nails it, for me, with his resignation about trying to give the benefit of the doubt to people like Moore's supporters-- or Trump's.

Fuck 'em. It's not worth the trouble to try to reason with ignorance.

Vote a straight Democratic ticket. Let's overwhelm these un-American losers.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
55. "... outsiders who came into Alabama to campaign for Doug Jones ..."
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:26 PM
Dec 2017

That's AL-born and lifelong native Doug Jones, BTW. He got both his BS and JD from AL universities.

Moore went to some left-wing liberal Yankee college in NEW YORK.

Note to future GOP candidates: When you schedule a rally, and Louie Gohmert is one of your big "draws", Things Have Gotten Off On The Wrong Foot.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
56. Scathing.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:34 PM
Dec 2017

Does Charles Pierce step into a telephone booth and emerge as the Rude Pundit? 'Cause that dude's got some fangs.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
57. god, his writing....hes superb!!
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:55 PM
Dec 2017

Yes, a glass of Chardonnay would go nicely with a little Charles Pierce binge reading.

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