What realistically happens to DU if net neutrality is repealed?

[no_hypocrisy]

Will it happen right away?

Will it happen incrementally or all at once?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Whatever happens will depend on your ISP.

Maybe nothing will happen at all with some.

[lapfog_1]

2. It may become unreachable for some providers / plans.

[dhol82]

3. Good question.

I don’t really know how badly we will be impacted.

[safeinOhio]

4. Support independent and co-opts

ISPs

[Hoyt]

5. Probably nothing.

[Sailor65x1]

6. Aside from some of the usual fainting and hysteria,

Nothing whatsoever.

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. Please tell me if I am wrong, but your tone suggest that you think

this is not a big thing. It IS a big thing if we lose net neutrality.

[Sailor65x1]

10. The math is easy

Look up net neutrality's inception date. Look up DU's history. DU was rock solid before NN and will remain so. Unfortunately, righties don't have the monopoly on stirring people up with false fears.

[Egnever]

15. The internet has changed considerably since DU was started.

Not to mention the cable companies were not bleeding TV subscribers at the time.

If you don't think allowing internet providers to control the flow of traffic will have an impact you are fooling yourself.

The number of companies participating in the Day of Action is staggering. It reads like a who's who of the internet. But AOL and Yahoo, which are undergoing a merger to become a new company called "Oath," are notably absent. So is Tumblr, the influential Yahoo-owned social network that participated in 2014's Internet Slow Down Day as well as the SOPA/PIPA protests. AOL and Yahoo—and by extension Tumblr—are both owned by Verizon, which has vocally opposed the FCC's net neutrality rules (though it now claims to support net neutrality in general).

So not every internet company will be throwing its support behind net neutrality tomorrow. But it's clear that those not owned by major telcos stand to lose out if net neutrality goes the way of the optical drive.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-whos-who-of-net-neutralitys-day-of-action/

That is not a bunch of left wing activists. The vast majority of internet based companies are against it for a reason.

It will be slow burn if it happens but as an example of how the cable companies are ready to unleash once the rules are gone I give you this and it has not even passed yet.

Comcast deleted net neutrality pledge the same day FCC announced repeal
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/comcast-deleted-net-neutrality-pledge-the-same-day-fcc-announced-repeal/


This article breaks it down in easy to understand terms
https://www.wired.com/story/heres-how-the-end-of-net-neutrality-will-change-the-internet/

[Keefer]

7. What happened

before net neutrality was enacted?

[Egnever]

21. The internet was much different and continues to evolve largely because of the freedom it has

the internet did not really become commonplace for most people until the early 2000's and by 2004 a framework was already being put in place to ensure net neutrality. DU started in 2001 and at that time most people were still on dial up connections. The internet has changed radically in that time.

A large portion of what we do every day now is affected by the internet with huge server farms not at all connected to ISP's delivering a lot of that content.

Without net neutrality those services could and likely will be charged to continue unfettered access. They will likely pay up but that will increase the cost for all consumers for no reason whatsoever. Things like say amazon will now have extra charges for unfettered connections. Many large institutions have moved their entire operations to amazon servers or one of the alternatives. Giving the ISPs permission to dictate the winners and losers will be catastrophic in the long run.

ISPs are largely also TV providers and they are bleeding money like crazy because people are cutting the cord. They are going to do everything they can to recapture that money. They already are by raising internet costs. It will get much much worse if net neutrality is banished.

We started the internet and already we are paying far more for inferior service than most of the rest of the world.

[populistdriven]

8. 3 days before election, 20% of traffic times out, only traffic from swing states but self resolves

within 48 hours so feds don't look into it

[PoliticAverse]

11. DU melts down over the panic. Then nothing happens because DU isn't steaming video or

competing against ISP monopolies.

[mythology]

14. This.

I'm lucky I live in a place where I have 3 actual options for home internet. It's the people who have none who are most at risk in terms of things like data caps and having video services bandwidth capped.

[PoliticAverse]

29. Data caps, which are not of course addressed by "net neutrality" puts Internet provided video...

at a big disadvantage. And if you only have access to one Internet service provider and their service is too expensive
"net neutrality" doesn't address that real issue either.

[Egnever]

18. There is tons of video all over DU

While DU does not host it itself the video is still there and the access to it will have an impact.

There is no telling how far they will push it but the end result is likely to be the same shit you put up with in your TV subs now. Lots of access to useless crap you don't want with tiers for the stuff you do.

Most ISPs have little or no competition and have little or no chance of being challenged because the cost of the infrastructure is too high to deliver similar service.


Most of the current ISP's are also TV providers and they are bleeding subs like crazy because of the internet. If you think they are not going to do everything they can to recapture that money you are fooling yourself.

[PoliticAverse]

23. "the same shit you put up with in your TV subs now" - Which is primarily because content providers..

charge the cable companies for their content. Even now with "net neutrality" if you want to watch HBO in the Internet
you have to pay extra for it. Why? Because HBO wants money for their content. You want youtube now without
ads, you have to pay for it now. Want to see the New York Times now - oops - it's behind a paywall.

Most ISPs have little competition because the municipalities they serve have given them monopolies. Don't think
so then just try and start an ISP competing with the existing companies. See what legal challenges Google had to
go through to try to get Google Fiber places.

Cable companies are bleeding subs because their model of forcing people to pay for channels they don't actually
want to watch was never viable long-term. Do you enjoy subsidizing Fox News?

I actually hope "net neutrality" is repealed so people start paying attention to the real issue, lack of competition
at the "last mile" level.

[Egnever]

25. The lack of competition in last mile providers is certainly the issue

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And while a repeal of net neutrality would force people to pay closer attention to that I doubt it would change a thing. Providing that last mile is expensive and requires as you said a ton of work with the local communities to accomplish. That google with very deep pockets had trouble accomplishing it should tell you that repealing net neutrality would in no way remove those barriers.

There are lots of barriers in that last mile that net neutrality has zero effect on. While it would likely create outrage over time as more and more services were restricted by the current monopolies there is absolutely no guarantee it would solve anything or encourage more competition.

We may in the end be saved by mobile networks as the technology continues to improve but throwing ourselves to the wolves in the hopes it pans out seems like a fools game to me.

[Sailor65x1]

20. Exactly

Thank you

[ileus]

12. Nothing.

[Renew Deal]

13. Nothing right away

But it could be thrown into some oddball category that is artificially slowed. Besides that, lets say you click on a YouTube or Twitter video on DU. That might be inaccessible if you don't pay for the video or social media package. It's a nightmare.

[Egnever]

17. This

it wont happen at once it will creep up on us much like boiling a frog.

[bathroommonkey76]

16. I hope it's not this

[brooklynite]

19. Answer: nothing.

None of the internet providers care what we do.

[Egnever]

22. Yes that is why republicans are gobbling up media companies at a record breaking pace

they have no interest in what you have access to.....

[left-of-center2012]

24. May not affect DU at all

I think it's more about charging more money for you to stream movies and do online gaming.
Doubt it will affect the average forum user.

[moondust]

26. May need a VPN?

Article is five years old but probably still relevant.

How to use VPN to defeat deep packet inspection

[ecstatic]

27. I think the major difference will be in our access to streaming video sites, p2p, etc

Cable cord cutters are in big trouble. Video and music streaming will be affected. Anyone who uses peer-to-peer networks for downloading programs or videos, or kodi users, etc. will be affected. It sucks that the idiots who voted for trump are completely oblivious to how much trump is is negatively affecting our pockets.

[DBoon]

28. The site will start to get slow...

... but your ISP will insert ads offering to sell you an enhanced "social justice" package for a mere $10.99 per month, giving you priority access to DU, Daily Kos, Vox, and Revolutionary Worker