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Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 06:22 PM Dec 2017

538 What The Hell Is Happening With These Alabama Polls?

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In other words, SurveyMonkey’s raw data was showing a much more purple electorate than the solid-red one that you usually get in Alabama. If that manifests in actual turnout patterns — if Democrats are more likely to respond to surveys and are more likely to vote because of their greater enthusiasm — Jones will probably win. If there are some “shy Moore” voters, however, then Moore will probably win. To make another generalization, traditional pollsters usually assume that their polls don’t have partisan non-response bias, while automated polls (and some online polls such as YouGov) generally assume that they do have it, which is part of why they’re showing such different results.

Because you’ve read so much detail about the polls, I don’t want to leave you without some characterization of the race. I still think Moore is favored, although not by much; Jones’s chances are probably somewhere in the same ballpark as Trump’s were of winning the Electoral College last November (about 30 percent).

The reason I say that is because in a state as red as Alabama, Jones needs two things to go right for him: He needs a lopsided turnout in his favor, and he needs pretty much all of the swing voters in Alabama (and there aren’t all that many of them) to vote for him. Neither of these are all that implausible. But if either one goes wrong for Jones, Moore will probably win narrowly (and if both go wrong, Moore could still win in a landslide). The stakes couldn’t be much higher for the candidates — or for the pollsters who surveyed the race.




https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-hell-is-happening-with-these-alabama-polls/

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538 What The Hell Is Happening With These Alabama Polls? (Original Post) Quixote1818 Dec 2017 OP
Polls are meaningless. Turnout is everything still_one Dec 2017 #1
"Shy Moore voters?" Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #2
IMHO, the election is really turning into a referendum DeminPennswoods Dec 2017 #3
They really do want to attract more Toyota (like) plants. nt marybourg Dec 2017 #4
IIRC, AL has always been one of those "poor polling" states... Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #5
This "Analysis" Says... ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #6
I've seen Jones up 10 and Moore up 9 in different polls gratuitous Dec 2017 #7
It's the "likely voter" criteria that's driving DeminPennswoods Dec 2017 #9
the people who count the votes determine the final tally. librechik Dec 2017 #8

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
2. "Shy Moore voters?"
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 06:37 PM
Dec 2017

Most Moore supporters aren't all that "shy" about supporting/voting for him and if they truly are "shy" about voting for him, that means that they know that they are doing something shameful- but don't care and are doing it anyway.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
3. IMHO, the election is really turning into a referendum
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 07:10 PM
Dec 2017

on what kind of future Alabamans want for their state. If they elect Moore, as a Penn State graduate I predict he will inflict Sandusky-level damage on Alabama's already poor reputation.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
5. IIRC, AL has always been one of those "poor polling" states...
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 07:37 PM
Dec 2017

where it has been difficult to get meaningful results.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
6. This "Analysis" Says...
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 07:50 PM
Dec 2017

... I don't know! What good is that?
Isn't 538's job to make sense of statistics?
I know a guy who could help!
Know him well!
He's the guy I see when I'm shaving.
If I see data that can't be used to conclude, there's a simple solution!
Say nothing!!!l!!

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. I've seen Jones up 10 and Moore up 9 in different polls
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 08:00 PM
Dec 2017

They can't both be right, but they can both be wrong. But a 19 point difference between polls* just isn't supposed to happen with what we know of statistics and sample sizes and the like. If you're that catastrophically wrong, who is going to hire you in the next election cycle?

*This assumes that both polling outfits want to keep going as polling outfits.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
9. It's the "likely voter" criteria that's driving
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 09:12 PM
Dec 2017

the different results. Most "LV" poll results don't show the criteria they use for weighting and/or determining who they consider a likely voter. They don't generally show the results for the registered voters they contacted, then used to cull out the likely voters either.

The highly scattered poll results merely show that pollsters simply don't know who's going to turnout.

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