It's Ryan Lizza's turn

[eissa]

“The New Yorker recently learned that Ryan Lizza engaged in what we believe was improper sexual conduct. We have reviewed the matter and, as a result, have severed ties with Lizza,” a spokesperson for the magazine said. “Due to a request for privacy, we are not commenting further.”

Lizza was anonymously accused of improper behavior in the secret “Shitty Media Men” list passed around by female journalists earlier this fall.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-new-yorker-severs-ties-with-star-reporter-ryan-lizza

[True Dough]

1. Oh boy!

This is quite the chain of dominoes falling.

[mr_liberal]

2. He probably touched someone's butt by accident while taking a photo. nm

[Demsrule86]

3. This should not happen...this is a witch hunt and can be used as a weapon

You should not be anonymous.

[CakeGrrl]

4. Those are hopefully separate statements

I think they added the paragraph about the anonymous accuser for some background.

I've read another statement that sounds like they did the appropriate verification of the claim before they cut him loose.

[Demsrule86]

14. I don't trust anonymous...everyone should know who is accusing them of what...so it really doesn't

matter to me if a reporter verifies it ...from what I see this was not verified anyway.

[madaboutharry]

5. This is becoming very worrisome.

Lizza's denials are disturbing in that he states that these accusations are coming from someone he was once in a relationship with. It is so easy for an accusation like this to be made by someone with a personal agenda and an axe to grind.

Accusations need to be vetted and investigated before someone has their livelihood taken from them.

In a separate statement, Lizza disputed the magazine’s description of his firing: “I am dismayed that The New Yorker has decided to characterize a respectful relationship with a woman I dated as somehow inappropriate. The New Yorker was unable to cite a company policy that was violated.”

He continued: “I am sorry to my friends, workplace colleagues, and loved ones for any embarrassment this episode may have caused. I love The New Yorker, my home for the last decade, and I have the highest regard for the people who work there. But this decision, which was made hastily and without a full investigation of the relevant facts, was a terrible mistake.”

I fear that this "reckoning" is turning into a witch hunt.

If Ryan Lizza's version is the truth, then I hope he sues and is vindicated. If he did harass and behave inappropriately, then he would have deserved to lose his job. But this is turning into a modern day Red Scare.

[dalton99a]

7. +1

[nini]

8. This happened to a former boss of mine

He was having an consensual affair at work with one of the females. This went on for a couple years. They ended it - both were married and she reported him to upper mgmt. He was demoted and she all but admitted she had to do that because her husband found out.

[Luciferous]

10. This is why you don't date people from work.

[nini]

11. I completely agree

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[uponit7771]

13. +1

[rusty fender]

17. Who are also married

to someone else

[Demsrule86]

15. Exactly my fear...and that will make it bad for all women.

[Laffy Kat]

6. Noooo. I really like him.

He's such a good writer, dammit.

[Glimmer of Hope]

21. I know! I hate to lose a talented progressive reporter but don't be a pig!

[Laffy Kat]

22. Damn. And he has a little girl, too.

Break. My. Heart.

[LisaL]

24. We don't even know what he is accused of doing, let alone if he actually did it.

Do you think your name calling is justified?

[superpatriotman]

9. We are miles beyond ridiculous at this point

Every man has sexual skeletons. And many women do, too. There.

We are not a Puritan country. Boobies and wee wees are universal. Sex is universal.

[eissa]

12. If placing your hand on someone's waist during a photo

is now considered "assault" then everything is on the table.

[Demsrule86]

16. That is so silly.

[eissa]

18. I agree

Labeling benign acts as “assault” is not only silly, it cheapens the word, and casts doubt on actual cases of assault.

[Demsrule86]

19. I was almost raped you know violently...and I was told my case was a 'good' attempted rape because

it was stranger rape...and there were visible injuries (bruising, broken ribs etc.) They never caught the guy. My friend who had a date attack her was not so lucky...they knew who did it...but there was no prosecution. He said it was consensual. The Franken mess and all these men being fired because of accusations...how true they are we don't know... will lead to women not being believed in the end and when you call a touch on the waist or even the thigh assault...it muddies the water...kind of lumps it all together...not good for women. And this guy Lizza who was accused and fired is saying the person doing the accusing had a relationship with him and it is a retaliatory attack...no idea about the truth...but this is devolving into a witch hunt. I truly dislike women like Tweeden and the second accuser...because when they lie, they cause people to doubt women who are telling the truth...as for the anonymous women...I won't ever consider anonymous sources.

[eissa]

20. Exactly why this upsets me so much

As someone who experienced childhood sexual abuse, I abhor women who make false allegations, or in the case of Tina Dupuy, lump a simple hand placement in the same category as actual assault. I was so inspired by the #MeToo movement, hoping we’d finally reached a place where such behavior would no longer be tolerated. But I fear it’s been hijacked for political gain, and revenge-seekers, where mere accusations ruin lives and careers.

I’m so sorry for your horrific experience

[Demsrule86]

23. Thank you. I feel the same for your experience. In some ways I was lucky...I escaped.

Not all women are this lucky. But I had the guilt people put on you...why did you wear that, what were you doing there...etc. I would think what you experienced is worse...a friend, teacher or family member ...that is a betrayal. Well I have worked through a great deal of crap in my life...made some bad choices when I was young ...including a failed marriage with an abusive man...but with counseling, and prayer and wonderful parents, I was OK. My parents sent me to college; This helped turned my life around and restored my self confidence. I have a wonderful husband and four (I consider them perfect) lovely kids.