For anyone keeping score.

[DearAbby]

[SickOfTheOnePct]

1. You fail to mention

That owning a gun is as much a Constitutional right as is abortion and that only private sellers can sell guns at shows without the background check and waiting period.

[morningfog]

2. Did you hurt yourself trying to miss the point?

[sabrina 1]

3. Lol!

[freshwest]

5. The OP picture speaks for itself. A hundred posts would not say it any clearer.

[Trunk Monkey]

13. Except the OP isn't true NT

Before a gun show vendor transfers or attempts to transfer a firearm, he or she shall require that a background check, in accordance with the national instant criminal background check system, be conducted of the prospective transferee, and obtain approval of the transfer from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation through a licensed gun dealer.

It is also unlawful to transfer a firearm if any part of the transaction takes place at a gun show, unless a licensed dealer first obtains a background check on the prospective transferee. This does not apply to firearms defined as antiques, curios or relics under federal law.

Taken straight out of the Colorado Revised Statutes

[Angry Dragon]

52. How about the other 49 states??

[Trunk Monkey]

55. Some require it some don't

either way all it takes is one and the OP is untrue

[Orrex]

61. Um. no

It refers to "a gun show." It doesn't say "at all gun shows everywhere forever and ever amen."

It's untrue if and only if no gun show exists wherein one can purchase a gun with cash and without a background check.


Nice attempt at a deflection, but...




On second thought, it was a pretty lame attempt.

[Trunk Monkey]

64. Now we're debating semantics but....

The OP said anyone can buy a gun at a gun show w/out an ID

However no one in Colorado can so the OP is untrue

[Orrex]

65. So you were more interested in hojacking the thread than in discussing the point?

Bravo.

[Trunk Monkey]

66. Not at all

IMO if the point is untrue there is no point to discuss.

I think guns are a little more regulated than you think they are.

[Orrex]

67. And not nearly as regulated as they should be

The point is "untrue" only if you cling to a literal and restrictive definition of one word in the OP. Do you really suppose that the OP was suggesting that literally "anyone" can get a gun at a gun show? Do you actually believe that a reasonable reader would construe that literally "anyone" was meant?

You're engaging in the most tritely disingenuous tactic of avoiding an actual discussion: find one word whose usage you can complain about, and pretend that you've invalidated the entire discussion. It's a hoary internet tactic, never persuasive to anyone actually interested in a dialogue.

You can pretend that there's no point to discuss, but that's rhetorically identical to jamming your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes.

[Scootaloo]

15. Naw, that sort of injury is purely mental... No worries there

[SickOfTheOnePct]

27. Didn't miss the point at all

I just appreciate intellectual honesty, and the graphic, while effective at making the point, is intellectually dishonest.

Reproductive choice and gun ownership are both Constitutional rights - why not acknowledge that?

[bhikkhu]

59. So, how about if the OP identified two constitutional rights...

and then highlighted the disparity between the regulations that apply to them. Would that be better?

[lame54]

48. Master of the duck and weave - or...

DUjitsu

[Skittles]

51. they are so brainwashed by the NRA

anything outside the box and they are stumped

[madinmaryland]

8. You fail to mention...

SickOfTheGunNuts

[SickOfTheOnePct]

28. Sorry

I didn't realize that acknowledging that gun ownership is a Constitutional right equated to being a gun nut.

[lastlib]

50. Whifffffff.........

[FarPoint]

53. My idea and/or understanding of a gun nut

is a male who sexualized the weapon, a gun, for ones intimate body part. Firing the weapon represents intimacy via the weapon. Hitting the target is said to represent orgasm. This transference could explain why guns are so very territorial....almost sacred to many.

Thus the term gun nut came into being..........

That is what I was told.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

58. To me a gun nut is someone who has bought into the whole sub-culture

It's like assuming owning a Harley means you HAVE to get the appropriate tattoos, the outfit, grow a beard and drink Bud and Jack Daniels.

A gun nut is someone who's bought the stereotype and they've modelled their whole identity around something they own.

They feel if you take away that something you are taking away their reason for being.

Bikers talk about their bikes the way gun nuts talk about their guns. It's all about freedom. At least with bikers it's the freedom of the open road. With gun nuts it's the freedom to turn their home into an anti-government bunker/ammo dump preparing for that glorious day when they let "THEM" know they fucked with the wrong guy.

[FarPoint]

60. I can see that ....

Phallic Symbols.... that's what we are identifying. I had to go look it up. Yeap...phallic symbols.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

63. That oversimplifies it.

I'm talking about the distinction between being a fan, and a fanatic.

It's the difference between liking Star Trek and believing you are a Klingon.

[DainBramaged]

19. Who did you trip over to tell us that?

You folks must think we are stupid.

[Rex]

39. Major failsauce and I applaud everyone in this thread

that sees the post for what it is.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

42. And what is it? n/t

[Rex]

45. Major fail.

[lastlib]

56. Swing, and a miss, Strike Three!

...and he goes down flailing......

[SickOfTheOnePct]

57. Nah, just can't dumb myself down enough to reach you guys n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

62. Give yourself some credit....

You dumbed yourself down P L E N T Y!

[Rex]

29. Why did you capitalize constitutional?

And why do you assume the lady in the picture wants an abortion? Maybe she is there to get a contraceptive implant.

Very revealing about yourself...

[SickOfTheOnePct]

30. What state mandates a waiting period for a contraceptive implant? n/t

[Rex]

33. Which state would you be talking about

since they all have different laws on the books.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

35. I made my assumption regarding abortion

Based on the text in the picture that referenced waiting periods. You questioned why I assumed the woman was there for an abortion, and I gave you my answer.

I notice that other posters on this thread also assumed and referenced abortion with regards to this picture, but you only come after me...why is that?

[Rex]

36. Why is what? Your post assumed it was about abortion and I think you are

incorrect. Is that too hard to understand?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

37. What you just posted makes absolutely no sense

[Rex]

38. Of course to you that would be true.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

43. It was obviously true to you too, since you edited the post to make more sense n/t

[Rex]

44. Wrong, nice assumption

but that was a hit and miss. I love the fact that people are telling you how badly you failed in this thread. It is very deserving.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

46. Good thing I don't measure my self-worth

Based on the (wrong) assumptions of anonymous posters on a discussion board.

[Rex]

47. Of course you don't.

Right...

[SickOfTheOnePct]

41. Here, let's try to make his easy...

And why do you assume the lady in the picture wants an abortion?

Because the text references waiting periods.

Maybe she is there to get a contraceptive implant.

Are there states that mandate waiting periods for implants? I know some states mandate waiting periods for abortions, but I know of none that do so for implants, so I assumed the picture and text referred to abortions.

Very revealing about yourself...

How is it any more revealing about me than it is about any of the other posters on this thread that also assumed this referred to abortion? And why are you making assumptions about me and not the others that came to the same conclusion I did?

My guess is that you didn't do so because you agree with their stance on gun ownership but disagree with mine.

Of course, I could be wrong.

[rrneck]

4. Maybe we should have abortion shows. nt

[freshwest]

6. LIke Rush demanding Fluke provide him free sex acts online?

[freshwest]

7. This needs to go viral! Thanks for posting it.

[baldguy]

9. And the RW extremists want to keep it that way.

[Fridays Child]

10. Not trying to be argumentative here but...

...are pre-abortion counseling, testing, and waiting periods required in every state? Of course, if they're required in even one state the right to reproductive freedom is limited and endangered.

I also wonder whether there are any states that place restrictions on firearms purchases. I haven't really paid attention to this debate, in the past. In any case, I believe that the Second Amendment is silent on the issue of regulating firearms ownership.

[Tsiyu]

14. State legislatures offered 1000 bills across the nation

this past year attempting to ( or succeeding in ) taking away women's right to privacy and to make their own reproductive choices.

Many of those state bills were passed into law.

The only state laws affecting gun ownership that I've read about are those making it perfectly legal to carry your pistol into Chuckie Cheese, church or the local State Park.

"Pro-Life" and all that trumps it, Baby.....

[AtheistCrusader]

23. In washington state we have no abortion requirements. To buy at a WAC gun show you need

to be a member, and have a background check, or they escort you to the door for so much as picking up a gun to look at it.

(Of course, you can buy whatever you want from a private seller in the newspaper though)

[jp11]

11. The difference being that the gun show purchase doesn't

mean you get a new gun that is even safe to fire. Anyone can sell any gun to anyone as a private seller and there is nothing that verifies the gun is safe, working, not stolen etc.

The comparison would be more accurate to compare the legal/safe way of getting an abortion in some states requiring counseling, unnecessary medical tests, or waiting periods to legal purchases of guns through retailers where licenses/permits, waiting periods etc are in force.

Using the the private seller who is free from responsibility of making sure the purchaser CAN legally buy the gun would be on par with some underground abortion services by unlicensed practitioners in unsanitary locations that could put the woman's life in danger. In addition the purchaser would be breaking the law if they were not legally able to purchase/own the same gun from a retailer because while they can buy the gun at a gun show from a private seller it is illegal for them to do so absent the proper licensing.

But that isn't the point of the post or graphic so who cares about the accuracy right?

[tex-wyo-dem]

12. This is just another example of...

Your typical off-the-charts RW hypocrisy. Their whole argument for limiting reproductive rights is "pro-life"...not killing innocent lives, yet when it comes to guns, the thought that one gun in the hands of the wrong person can end multiple innocent lives within seconds doesn't register at all.

Of course this is in concert with another stunning display of RW hypocritical though process: As soon as the fetus leaves the womb, you are on your own (demonstrated by their lack of support for universal healthcare).

[Scootaloo]

16. Incidentally...

Don't Gun Heroes also contribute to the paucity of abortion providers?

[freshwest]

18. Scootaloo, I guess you're referring to this person...

George Richard Tiller

Born August 8, 1941
Died May 31, 2009
Cause of death Gunshot wound

[Scootaloo]

20. One of a few

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Murders

And the effect these murders and attempted murders have on provision of family planning in our country.

[Chorophyll]

54. Indeed, Scootaloo.

Sad state of affairs.

[DCKit]

17. I would pay to watch you debate these issues with any fundy gun nut.

Disclaimer: I own a 12 gauge shotgun and a BB gun. I don't sleep with either of them.

They're just "there".

[krispos42]

21. Mostly true

"gun show" is misleading... whether a background check is performed depends on who the seller is, not where the sale takes place. Most sellers at gun shows are federally licensed dealers, and must perform a background check regardless of geographic location.

[DainBramaged]

22. Most sellers

therein lies the problem


Can anyone tell me how come there are so many guns in the hands of criminals??


anyone???

[AtheistCrusader]

24. Theft. Fraud. Straw purchases. Smuggling. Illicit manufacture.

It can also be in the hands of someone who was formerly law abiding, but committed a crime.


Why do you ask?

[blue neen]

25. Excellent.

[hack89]

26. You are correct - we need to loosen the restrictions on abortion. Good point. nt

[malaise]

31. Excellent post DearAbby

Rec

[Aerows]

32. "Men" like this guy

It's macho bullshit.

Grandmothers have to carry a pistol in their purses because "men" seem to think a pistol makes them fertile and desirable.

I could call out some DU members that are Gungeon denizens that make me feel less safe in the world. Your dick is not threatened if it takes 20 days to get a permit for an ar-15. If your dick is threatened by that, then your dick is a shriveled, tiny piece of bacon that no one gives a crap about blowing off.

[YoungDemCA]

34. Goes to show what our priorities are in this country...

nt

[freshwest]

40. Yes. Profits over people.

[Myrina]

49. Yup, 'personal freedoms' at work ...