Trump boasts of 'packed to the rafters' Florida rally after online photos show mostly empty arena

[DonViejo]

BOB BRIGHAM
09 DEC 2017 AT 08:55 ET

President Donald Trump boasted of “packed to the rafters” crowds for his Friday night campaign rally in Pensacola, Florida. Photographic evidence from the arena venue for his speech tells a different tale, harkening back to inflated inauguration crowd claims.

Trump started the attendance debate by claiming a “big crowd expected today in Pensacola” in a Friday morning tweet. Trump followed that tweet with on claiming Alabama Democratic Party senate nominee Doug Jones is “bad on Crime, Life, Border, Vets, Guns and Military. Vote Roy Moore!”

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Early Saturday morning, President Trump returned to the subject of crowd sizes.

The internet disagreed that the crowd was big, packed to the rafters and really smart.

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https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/trump-boasts-of-packed-to-the-rafters-florida-rally-after-online-photos-show-mostly-empty-arena/

[dalton99a]

1. Such loving and smart people

[Blue_Adept]

6. I thank my lucky stars every day that I do not have these people in my immediate circle

Because I cannot for the life of me imagine what I'd say should I actually see that in person.

[Botany]

8. Proud to be stupid

Words fail me. These guys need an ass kicking. Or maybe they should go work on a Trump
project and not get paid.

[SWBTATTReg]

9. how nice, encouraging sexual abuse in a way

disgusting

[Vinca]

16. It's a real shame these people breed.

[anneboleyn]

19. Second from right seems to be wearing part of Trumps wig on her head. Yikes.

[Aviation Pro]

23. Throat punches

For all of these traitors.

[underpants]

27. The people at Nike need to see this

That's just horrible.

[malaise]

51. Didn't Nike just exit one of the Con's properties

Hope they sue these deplorables

[spanone]

2. boast vs. lies

no difference in trumpworld

'packed to the rafters'

these are morons who think Hillary is still running for the presidency.

[Botany]

3. Is there anything that Trump doesn't lie about?

n/t

[mythology]

14. Ironically being a habitual liar is his best defense against his Access Hollywood bragging

Granted the number of women who have accused him of doing those things makes that unlikely, but it's kind of amusing that basically the only things he doesn't like about - sexual assault, the Muslim ban, etc, are things that he would be better off lying about.

[VOX]

30. No. Everything out of that assholes yawp is delusional.

He lies all day long, every day. About anything and everything.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/11/14/president-trump-has-made-1628-false-or-misleading-claims-over-298-days/
President Trump has made 1,628 false or misleading claims over 298 days
Washington Post, 11/14/2017

For some reason, our year-long project analyzing, categorizing and tracking every false or misleading claim by President Trump had seemed like quite a burden in the past month. Well, the numbers are in and now we know why: In the past 35 days, Trump has averaged an astonishing nine claims a day.

The total now stands at 1,628 claims in 298 days, or an average of 5.5 claims a day. That puts the president on track to reach 1,999 claims by the end of his first year in office, though he obviously would easily exceed 2,000 if he maintained the pace of the past month.
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[highplainsdem]

4. Before Trump spoke and Fox cut to his speech, I was checking for any livestreams

of the rally to see what the speakers preceding Trump were saying (this was after I'd seen and posted about a Ben Jacobs tweet reporting one speaker had said Trump's declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel would lead to the Second Coming).

Anyway, I looked briefly at the RSBN (Right Side Broadcasting) YouTube livestream. They were panning around to show crowd size...and then just as they hit an empty section of seats, they quickly panned back across the seats that were filled. Just as you'd expect for Trump supporters.

[anneboleyn]

18. I listened to about 3 minutes, and Fox did the same thing. They panned and hit a huge empty section

of seats then went back to the people directly behind Trump and keep that in a tight frame for the rest of the time. I muted it — why these people turn out to listen to him repeat the EXACT SAME SPEECH OVER AND OVER AND OVER is beyond me. He literally repeats the same speech from over a year ago. Yeah, he’ll throw in a “new” sentence or two, but everything is just a repetition of his stupid election night stories and how the news got everything wrong — except for the things he doesn’t even mention anymore, like all the companies supposedly bringing jobs back (snort), Chiiiiiiiiiiiiina, his big panel of CEOs who were going to hand out jobs like candy (that one collapsed almost immediately after the dotard took office), Mexico paying for the wall, etc etc — all of his obvious failures. Who wants to listen to that shit? I can’t imagine why anybody shows up to these without being paid.

[RKP5637]

5. He's probably hallucinating, seeing those big crowds in his deranged mind! n/t

[oberliner]

7. That's not Trump walking to the stage

The photo with the green arrow - that person it's pointing to is not Trump.

[Thor_MN]

10. Then it must be some other oranged skinned blonde guy with flat on top hair and a too long tie.

The resolution isn't good enough to say yes or no, but I'm curious why you say no so seemingly definitely.

[oberliner]

11. This clip from CBS News shows him walking to the stage

You will also note that he is wearing a bright red tie.

[Thor_MN]

12. That video shows him walking ON the stage to the podium, not walking to the stage.

The tweeted picture doesn't have enough resolution to say one way or the other, but the video is no proof. If I zoom in on the pic, the tie looks quite dark, but the lighting could account for that.

Doesn't really matter, but the video occurs after he is already on the stage, which does not prove the green arrow is wrong.

[Kaleva]

15. Is Larry the Cable Guy Trump's escort?

The guy behind the man pointed out by the green arrow and who appears to be wearing a open brown jacket, a white (t)shirt and ball cap.

[Thor_MN]

17. Which proves what, exactly?

Maybe the guy pointed by the green arrow is Alec Baldwin dressed as Trump. I have no idea who it is, the resolution isn't good enough to prove one way or the other.

But Oberliner was so confident that it was not that I wondered why. The proffered video is no help. And the fact that the guy walking behind him appears to be dressed casually proves....., what?

Could be a local person that won a raffle to walk him to the stage. Could be an arena employee to make sure he finds the stage and not wander into the parking lot. Could be the buddy of a guy that superficially lots like Trump and they are headed out on a beer run.

[Kaleva]

28. Look at how the people who are around him at other events are dressed.

I can't recall pics of other events suggesting that 'casual Friday' was the dress code of the day.

Look at the pics here in this article. Larry the Cable Guy is gone and the men near Trump are well dressed:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-alabama-trump/trump-urges-alabama-voters-to-back-roy-moore-idUSKBN1E304I

Anyone who is or can get within arms length of a president is vetted and screened.

[Thor_MN]

31. And clearly, everyone wearing a brown coat is a terrorist...

The picture isn't good enough to make a positive, or negative, ID.

It doesn't matter.

[Kaleva]

38. It matters if one is trying to argue that there were many empty seats...

in the auditorium while Trump was walking to the podium

[Thor_MN]

39. OK, I get it, you are supporting Dolt45's claim of "Full to the rafters"

I see darkened upper decks taken fro a vantage point to not show them.

But you go ahead with your Trump support.

[Kaleva]

41. No I'm not

your comment:

"OK, I get it, you are supporting Dolt45's claim of "Full to the rafters""

You won't be able to find a single post of mine that would support your accusation. The argument being made here in this thread was that the auditorium was mostly empty. News reports and pictures show that not to be the case.

[Thor_MN]

42. You are claiming that the arena was full.

That would be supporting Dolt45's claim that the arena was "full to the rafters".

[Kaleva]

43. Looks pretty full to me.

Did some google searching and here is a video and pics taken by Trump supporters at the rally:

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/939353389300944899

[Thor_MN]

44. How, exactly, is that not supporting Trump's claims again?

[Kaleva]

48. Why are you laughing when you got played?

[Thor_MN]

49. You are supporting Trump's claims.

I think you know why I am laughing.

Maybe you need to check what site you are on.

[Kaleva]

50. And you were supporting the discredited narrative that the auditorium was mostly empty

I prefer to go with the truth, regardless where it takes me.

[Thor_MN]

53. Bullshit. I've questioned who the person under the green arrow was.

I have never supported any claim about the audience, while you have been been supporting Trump.

[Kaleva]

54. You were saying it could be Trump in the pic

Thus pushing the now discredited narrative that Trump spoke to a mostly empty auditorium.

[Thor_MN]

55. I said that it could be. Or could not be. The picture quality prevents knowing.

Meanwhile, you have been very adamant in your support of Trump's position.

Do you find yourself agreeing with him on a lot of issues?

[oberliner]

45. Weigel has deleted the photo and apologized

He admitted that he got it wrong.

[Rene]

13. I think the sound technicians are responsible for this election result....gave wrong impressions

remember how they isolated and turned up the volume on the "dean scream"...?

[smirkymonkey]

20. Does he think we are going to believe his bullshit over photographic evidence?

He really is living in a different reality.

[questionseverything]

40. well since the msm will not show the evidence until so many have seen it on the net that

they can't ignore it,,,he is probably safe

[Laffy Kat]

56. Yes! He still believes and/or says he had the biggest inauguration crowd.

Facts and photos mean nothing. He's bat shit.

[colsohlibgal]

21. His Base Eats Up Those Lies

He blatantly lied about the size of his crowd, just as he always does...but you can bet Fox News will never show that picture, just as they never do. They are enabling this liar, this detestable human being is being propped up by them.

We are getting down to it as the Mueller Probe picks up steam while the concerted effort to impugn it is all over right wing world.

[rainin]

22. Can someone help me?

I can't tell from a still photo if this picture was taken while he was speaking or hours before? Is there a video from this view?

[Enoki33]

24. All part of the disgusting propaganda and warped ego.

[left-of-center2012]

25. Here's Trump ...

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
“GREAT EVENING last night in Pensacola, Florida. Arena was packed to the rafters ...
(bottom right of photo shows Trump entering arena)

[underpants]

26. I don't seen some posts about this thing last night so I went and found an article on it

USA Today I think it was.

Anyway as I read the piece I saw this statement on being packed and just read over it to see what other nonsense he said. It was bad.

Now I see this and I just should have known. Wow. He just can't help creating his own delusional world.

[Kaleva]

29. Other pics show the place to be filled

Some pics here:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-alabama-trump/trump-urges-alabama-voters-to-back-roy-moore-idUSKBN1E304I

The article shows that the seats shown to be empty in the pic in post#25 are filled.

[cilla4progress]

32. Not seeing filled seats

in this article ...

[Kaleva]

37. Look at the bottom pic at the article

and compare that to the pic in post #25. The pic inpost #25 shows mostly empty seats in that area while the pic in the article shows the seats to be filled.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

34. Thats the other side, behind the podium.

The picture looks out to the opposite side, which was sparsely filled. They’re going to want to have the side behind him filled because that’s where the camera’s are pointed.

Although from the brief shots I saw, even the side behind the podium looked filled on the lower tier only. Looked like there were plenty of empty seats on the upper tier.

[Kaleva]

36. The pic in post #25 shows the seats to the left of the podium to be mostly empty

If you look at the pic at the bottom of the article I linked to, they are filled.

You can spot a small Christmas tree to the extreme left of the walkway to the podium. Note the difference in filled seats between the two pictures.

[L. Coyote]

33. LOL. "time for you to pack your bathrobe and dentures. hun."

Link to tweet

/photo/1

[SWBTATTReg]

35. This is great, thanks for posting!!!!

I got a great laugh out of it!

[oberliner]

46. Weigel has deleted the photo and apologized

He admitted that he was wrong. Photo was from earlier. The venue was filled to capacity (another reporter said 90 percent full).

[Kingofalldems]

52. ....

[Duppers]

47. Pic I found

There's a section to the rafters not full...
But this was from a Pensacola Gannett (R) newspaper site.

[obliviously]

57. This is all we have so hold it, treasure it, cherish it.