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The damn dam is breaking, Trump needs a life jacket.Dec 7, 2017
Rachel Maddow shares the details of a Russian media report that explains that the reason Russian intelligence cyber experts were arrested for treason a year ago is that they were the sources that helped the U.S. figure out who was responsible for the DNC hack.
Note, the original reporting has a timeline error. The leaks were public when the encryption key offer was emailed.
By Mark Sumner -- Dec 08, 2017 · 6:26 AM
CNN is reporting that the Trump campaignincluding candidate Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., and otherswere offered access to Wikileaks documents, including special access to a Wikileaks website, a month before Wikileaks began publishing documents stolen from John Podestas account to the public.
The email came less than three weeks before WikiLeaks itself messaged Trump Jr. and began an exchange of direct messages on Twitter. Trump Jr. told investigators he had no recollection of the September email.
The email, which apparently slipped the memory of historys most forgetful campaign team, included a decryption key and address for documents stolen by Russian hackers and later distributed through Wikileaks. Its not clear if the email, which came addressed from Mike Erickson is from the same person who later began conversing with Donald Trump Jr. through private messages on Twitter.
Trump Jr.'s attorney, Alan Futerfas, told CNN that his client said he had no recollection of the email and took no action on it. The White House did not respond to requests for comment, and efforts to reach WikiLeaks for comment were unsuccessful.
The email has been turned over to congressional investigators. ...............
underpants
(182,868 posts)He's. Just. So. Stupid.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)If I go to rob the bank, I can then cite attorney-client privilege if caught because there was an attorney in the room.
underpants
(182,868 posts)Cheney, look we only tortured a couple of people. You should give us credit for not torturing more.
Moore, what about all the children I DIDN'T stalk or molest???
NewJeffCT, your honor I only robbed ONE bank. I mean I could have robbed other ones.
Irish_Dem
(47,302 posts)onetexan
(13,056 posts)how could they not? fella's really that dense isn't he LOL.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I wish I liked mystery stories more.
This sounds like a good one.
Irish_Dem
(47,302 posts)It would be like science fiction and fantasy.
Pluvious
(4,315 posts)Loubee
(165 posts)were yelling incoherently on the morning TV shows; desperately trying to shout over the anchors running down the details of the latest revelations.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I can't take much more of this.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I suspect the ongoing deluge is purposeful, to prepare the public for all the classified and secret information that will bring them down. And that doesn't even include the sexual assaults problem Pussy Grabber faces now that he has been Frankened.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)That would do a lot to restore the world's faith in America
(stated while understanding why we'll never see that ...)
Moostache
(9,897 posts)Even once Trump is gone - by impeachment, resignation, mental breakdown or stroke - the stench of his disgrace will linger for a generation. It may very well take another war in Europe for the USA to regain its standing on the world stage. We are now seen a population of low brow idiots, more concerned with fattening the wallets of our oligarchs than with our role in the world at large.
We have become the crazy uncle at the world Christmas Party...the one who takes a dump in the punch bowl, grabs another man's wife at the party and vomits in the foyer...we are the world equivalent of a bad drunk.
Nitram
(22,853 posts)If we manage to remove Trump from office in a constitutional manner, it will demonstrate to the world that our democracy works, and that we can undo the harm inflicted on us by this demented tool. Although if both Houses off congress retain a Republican majority,it will make no difference.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)Shit, even if we have what appears on paper to be a 60-vote majority in the Senate, which we held prior to Obamacare ever so briefly (but almost immediately saw it pulled apart and lost), the removal threshold is 67. I will bet both my arms that the GOP would NEVER see that many defectors, so the best we could hope for would be an inverse Bill Clinton result - a show trial in the House and an already known outcome in the Senate.
For fuck's sake, they can't even hold the line against an accused pedophile for longer than 2 weeks...no, I do not believe that America the country can regain its lost standing in the world quickly....America the Idea will forever burn brightly, but our current state of affairs and the fact that a 1/3 of the population STILL think Trump is A-OK is a national calamity that we won't recover from until mid-century, if ever...
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Reassure them that most Americans wants president turd removed from office and imprisoned. These friends cannot help but think our system is weird. Yep, we've problems that need fixing. <Cough> electoral college, paperless ballots, gerrymandering...
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Get money out of politics to limit influence of Koch, Mercer, Adelson.
And get media reformed to reduce influence of Murdoch and Mercer.
If America does those two things we may fix our country. Otherwise we should get used to being ruled by billionaire oligarchs.
rainin
(3,011 posts)The world knows, or can forgive us, for being the victim of a Russian attack.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)over the world, have been saying to a friend of mine who is in the hospitality business. She also said that we are being openly laughed at on the world stage. We have much to prove before we can regain the damage Dotard has been allowed to do.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Unleash as he is going down. He once said, if he goes, everyone goes...different context...to Manafort, but that is how he thinks.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)His residency is going to end one way or another.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)snap shut. These odious morons will soon be in the dock if our leadership has more guts than they've shown to date. You know the Dems I have the most respect for right now? The ones who voted FOR debate around articles of impeachment in spite of Pelosi and Hoyer. There are 58 of them and they showed the kind of guts that wins elections. These people can count on my support in upcoming months.
Too bad Al Franken got a different kind of justice, isn't it?
ananda
(28,873 posts)That Dems would do this to one of their own
and a good guy...
I don't know that I can ever call myself a
Democrat again!
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)accusers, and just a big lying, smear hit job. We expect this from Fox, but our own Dems??
keithbvadu2
(36,876 posts)byronius
(7,400 posts)Apparently we had the Russians dead to rights, six ways to Sunday -- after all, our intelligence budgets dwarf the rest of the planet's GDP, one would expect us to catch this.
But because the Treasoneers on our side were Republican -- well, nothing could be done. Wealthy white men only commit treason when it's -- for the good of the nation? Treason in the cause of attacking brown people isn't treason, apparently.
I know McConnell and Ryan and the GOP leadership all demanded this story be sat on, and that the NSA and CIA and Obama tried to convince them otherwise and failed. But still. Good Lord.
We kinda suck if this is true. We're pathetic and weak and everything the Russians always said about us was ABSOLUTELY TRUE -- riddled with Comfortable Traitors and Race-Based Equivocators, and just that fucking Stupid.
Goddamn it.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)byronius
(7,400 posts)Botany
(70,566 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,166 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,876 posts)Putin running for president again.
Campaign slogan - 'I made America Great Again'
(Conan)
Gothmog
(145,488 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)On the Franken hit, but I'm sure NBC would not allow it.
They wouldn't let Farrow go with the Weinstein story.
They are not going to be a leader in setting things right.
niyad
(113,526 posts)profited from it, sinks. no life jackets for these scum.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)I also feel that there is a lot more to this than simply the promise of dropping Russian sanctions.
Putin's oligarchs have stolen tremendous wealth from the people of Russia after the downfall of the Soviet Union. Much of this wealth has been laundered into various real estate deals and the oligarchs want to ensure that their bounty is safe and sound. The dropping of the Prevezon case by Trump's justice department was the first step in this direction.
Also, by working around US intelligence, Trump was hoping to collude with Russia in exploiting ME energy resources.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)From the DailyKos story
"The Washington Post is reporting that the actual date of the email to Trump was on September 14, not September 4 as originally reported by CNN.
That means that, while Wikileaks was still offering a decryption key and private access to the Trump campaign, most, if not all, of the documents at the site were already available to the public at the time the email was sent."
The OP indicates that Trump had (or was offered) early access but according to this update (which came out after the OP), it looks like the info was already publicly available at the time of the email.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)So now the timing mistake is overshadowing the fact: Wikileaks emails Trump campaign with encryption key offer for stolen emails.
Breitbart and Greenwald are suddenly on the "fake news" angle!
Link to tweet
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Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Made a mistake and Trump will use it to say FAKE NEWS! He would probably say it anyway, but FOX will pound it in to the Determined-to-be-Ignorants.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)the data was released, there's some coordination going on between Trump and wikileaks, but with the updated information, it sounds like Trump got a key after it was already publicly available, which sort of wrecks that argument. It's the sort of thing they'll spin just like the ABC story, where a key piece of information turned out to not be accurate and the story ended up helping him more than hurting him.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)To criticize the flawed timeline in the original CNN report, which was repeated on dKos and elsewhere.
The "Never Trust the Loonie Left News" flag is being waved widely and wildly. Some wingnuts are threatening to never read again.
Link to tweet
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Just following orders like the good little German he is
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)The first rule of combating Russian disinformation is:
You IGNORE what the Russians say. Because they plant clear falsehoods to confuse you.
People fell into the same trap when the Russian lawyer Veselnitskaya testified before Congress. And when Ahkmetshin spoke to the media. The Russian spies are LYING. On purpose. To achieve their ends.
We can trust things that real outlets like Wa Po and NYT say, and that our FBI and CIA say. But do NOT take the Russians at face value.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Larry Martin, a retired professor who lives in the seaside town of Rockport, Massachusetts, used to be Ladislav Bittman, deputy commander of the Department for Active Measures and Disinformation in the Soviet-directed Czechoslovak intelligence service. To create the kind of disinformation that changes the world, he told me, you need a story thats at least 60, 70 or even 80 percent true. Even well-educated people will swallow untruth without too many questions if its plausible and it reinforces their existing beliefs.
Today, Martins worried about the fate of his adopted country -- not just because of the epidemic of fake news, but because so many citizens have lost trust in the professional editors and reporters who spend their days trying to sort fact from fiction. Hes far from the only one concerned, of course: Dozens of academics, researchers and journalists recently converged on Boston to discuss the problem. But Martin has a unique insight into the issue: After all, part of his old job was to sow that kind of distrust in then-enemy countries.
The Russians know Trump is on his way out. They're trying to harness America's chaos and turn it to their benefit. Be conscious of this.
Upthevibe
(8,068 posts)Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,876 posts)Excellent article,,,, thanks.
Misleading gov't propaganda,,, religious teachings,,, financial/legal mumbo jumbo,,, political agendas...
This can be from your organization to others
......or
from your own organization to yourself.
.............Who says you deserve the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
summer_in_TX
(2,744 posts)"Sadly, the world is going to view the USA suspiciously for a very long time...
Even once Trump is gone - by impeachment, resignation, mental breakdown or stroke - the stench of his disgrace will linger for a generation." ~Moustach
As long as we have the widespread propaganda machine in our midst that is RW conservative talk radio and Faux News still in place, why should our historic allies get over their distrust. As we've seen, they've been able to be a powerful player in getting Trump and other wing nuts elected.
No reason to trust that we wouldn't elect another would-be dictator again.
Peaceful Protester
(280 posts)Sanctions, known as The Magnitsky Act (an American anti-corruption law), were put into place to prevent Putin, one of the wealthiest men in the world, from accessing ill-gotten monies he has hidden in America.
Putin offered technical support, elections interference, opposition research, and a middle east nuclear reactor deal for ripping up the sanctions.
The Trump campaign worked with Putin and WikiLeaks to engage in U.S. election interference during the last presidential election for quid pro quo.
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Both the house and senate voted to overwhelmingly to pass the sanctions.
The house voted 419-3
The senate voted 98-2
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Note:
October 1 was the deadline to implement these sanctions. Today is December 8, and Trump still has NOT implemented these sanctions.
Why hasn't Trump implement the Russia Sanctions that congress has overwhelmingly passed?
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denbot
(9,901 posts)They refined ratfucking from the Nixion crew (Roger Stone, et al), they are only tasked to spread chaos. Beware the ides of March.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Lock them up.