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madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:30 PM Dec 2017

I think the calls for Franken to resign are related to Roy Moore.

Call me cynical, but it is very possible that the effort to get Sen. Franken to step down is to take away a talking point when it comes to Roy Moore.

Democrats can say, see we got rid of Conyers and Franken, you republicans are the party of sexual harassers and child molesters.

This is what politics is all about. Six women senators and Tom Perez, the chairman of the DNC, have now abandoned Franken.

In politics if you get caught in the buzzsaw, well that is just too bad.


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I think the calls for Franken to resign are related to Roy Moore. (Original Post) madaboutharry Dec 2017 OP
I agree with your analysis Gothmog Dec 2017 #1
Add Donald Trump and i agree. Roy Moore is a stupid idiot, unable to mount this offensive. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #16
When they go low... n/t moondust Dec 2017 #2
A pedophile vs a hugger. Greybnk48 Dec 2017 #3
youre kidding AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #4
I am not equating Franken to Moore at all. madaboutharry Dec 2017 #9
I agree sarisataka Dec 2017 #5
Yeah because non Democratic Party voters will give a shit SHRED Dec 2017 #6
RIGHT? Dems hold themselves to a standard that Rs don't AND Cosmocat Dec 2017 #13
Probably, and it's stupid. kcr Dec 2017 #7
The problem is they don't care. Franken resigning will have no effect on that race. octoberlib Dec 2017 #8
Yep JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #22
Exactly right! pandr32 Dec 2017 #29
I agree ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #10
When we go high they go low anyhow. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #11
When we go high, they go even lower and win should be the slogan. octoberlib Dec 2017 #15
Bingo. dalton99a Dec 2017 #25
Yes, and guess what? we will be stuck with Moore anyway. The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #12
You really think that Moore will step aside or that the Republicans will care or that Jones will win Yavin4 Dec 2017 #14
Reread my post. madaboutharry Dec 2017 #19
DAMN IT........ a kennedy Dec 2017 #17
The OP has it right. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #18
If the Democrats could actually play that game, it would be great. trotsky Dec 2017 #20
Except JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #21
Bad move by Democrats. I for one will be forever cynical over this flamingdem Dec 2017 #23
And Republicans will laugh and say, no our predators are staying. OliverQ Dec 2017 #24
And if Alabamans elect Moore anyway....??? Freethinker65 Dec 2017 #26
Getting rid of Franken will do nothing Bettie Dec 2017 #27
Patty Murray is my Senator, and I'm very disappointed. LisaM Dec 2017 #28
And that and a dollar bill will get you a Snickers Bar in Alabama. nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #30

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
16. Add Donald Trump and i agree. Roy Moore is a stupid idiot, unable to mount this offensive.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:47 PM
Dec 2017

This is bigger than Roy Moore, this is the billionaires securing their hold on power by protecting Trump and their fragile coalition of Republicans and sexual assailants.




AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
4. youre kidding
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:35 PM
Dec 2017

equating franken’s deeds to moore’s pedophilia. Franken should undergo senate ethics investigation and not resign.

sarisataka

(18,765 posts)
5. I agree
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:35 PM
Dec 2017

Since there are rumblings that Repubs will seat Moore saying "you kept Franken"

If Franken resigns Send keep his seat (Dayton will appoint a Democrat) and remove that ammunition from Repubs

Sadly I think it won't work and they will seat Moore no matter what, if he wins

Cosmocat

(14,571 posts)
13. RIGHT? Dems hold themselves to a standard that Rs don't AND
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:44 PM
Dec 2017

because Rs own the poutrage megaphone Dems STILL will be painted as evil, sinning POSs.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
7. Probably, and it's stupid.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:37 PM
Dec 2017

Because it's already obvious that the GOP are who they are, and anyone who doesn't see that won't be convinced by this maneuver. The spineless sadsacks signing on to this political chess are just playing into the GOP, who know exactly what they're doing. They're being played like a fiddle.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
8. The problem is they don't care. Franken resigning will have no effect on that race.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:38 PM
Dec 2017

And if this works, we'll see more Dem politicians being accused by anonymous and Republican accusers. Mike Cernovich is apparently running things now.

pandr32

(11,608 posts)
29. Exactly right!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:33 PM
Dec 2017

I wrote Senator Franken already telling him this. We already lost President Hillary Clinton because of Republican below-the-belt dirty tricks and cheating.
Why should we stand for this?
Bottom line--if Tweeden had not first come out and started with her false accusation it is doubtful anyone else would have ever come out with a weak accusation of their own. This is only working in that each ridiculous accusation is a chip against his reputation--together they are chipping away, and the whole thing started with the groper herself, Tweeden.
We need to insist on an Ethics Committee investigation. It is the only way to root out the false accusations and deter future false attacks as a new weapon against Democrats.

ismnotwasm

(42,000 posts)
10. I agree
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:42 PM
Dec 2017

This is politics. If we are going to have a standard—Democrats that is, Republicans have no standards, it needs to be consistent. If we are going to hold Trump, for instance to that standard or Moore, we have to hold everyone else to the same one.

But I thought Franken called for an ethics review? No one else has done that.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,831 posts)
11. When we go high they go low anyhow.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:42 PM
Dec 2017

So Democrats drive out one of their own - one of the best, most effective Senators we have - in order to make the point that sexual harassment won't be tolerated (even, apparently, if almost all of the complaints are anonymous and not particularly credible) and to shame the GOP into rejecting Roy Moore.

It won't make any difference because the GOP have no shame. They will accept a child molester as long as he votes for tax cuts, and a president who is an admitted sexual predator. Where would they draw the line? Anywhere? Would Ted Bundy be too much? Jeffrey Dahmer? Ed Gein? At this point I think serial killers and cannibals would be accepted if they promised to vote for tax cuts. Once again, Dems fold like cheap lawn chairs. And the GOP will sit back and laugh as we cut our own throats.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
12. Yes, and guess what? we will be stuck with Moore anyway.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:43 PM
Dec 2017

He would never resign and nobody will oust his ass either.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
14. You really think that Moore will step aside or that the Republicans will care or that Jones will win
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:45 PM
Dec 2017

because Franken resigned? Have you not been paying attention?

madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
19. Reread my post.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:05 PM
Dec 2017

I do not think this is going to get Moire to step aside.

My point is that democrats are willing to throw Franken aside for the benefit of a talking point.

a kennedy

(29,705 posts)
17. DAMN IT........
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:49 PM
Dec 2017

I’m just beside myself.......I’m just sick that they are crucifying him on anonymous alligations. I’m sure bill-o is having a riot over this. I’M SO DONE WITH THIS PARTY.........

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
18. The OP has it right.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:52 PM
Dec 2017

Deplorables would vote for Charlie Manson's corpse if it had an R after his name. The Democrats are making a bet that there are sill some folks in the middle who believe character matters.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
20. If the Democrats could actually play that game, it would be great.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:07 PM
Dec 2017

But I don't think they will. They're just caving again.

JustAnotherGen

(31,874 posts)
21. Except
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:15 PM
Dec 2017

Roy Moore will be a Senator next week - and neither Franken or Moore will be in DC.

That's just the way it works.

We look weak - and they look like a lean mean fighting machine.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
23. Bad move by Democrats. I for one will be forever cynical over this
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:17 PM
Dec 2017

and doubt their ability to assess a situation.

We can't control the minds of crazy Trump supporters and stupid GOP voters with "moral behavior".

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
24. And Republicans will laugh and say, no our predators are staying.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:18 PM
Dec 2017

You lose Dems!

Franken is making an announcement tomorrow, which will probably be his resignation.

Freethinker65

(10,043 posts)
26. And if Alabamans elect Moore anyway....???
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

The GOP will just parrot that all of the Dems are obviously guilty perverts because they resign, unlike the GOP accused that will continue their “immoral” behavior and call their accusers liars. The MAGA crowd will be energized.

Bettie

(16,123 posts)
27. Getting rid of Franken will do nothing
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:21 PM
Dec 2017

to keep Moore in the Senate.

In fact, those very senators who demand Franken's resignation will sit and clap politely for Moore when he assumes his place.

Meanwhile, we're about to lose everything because now it is very clear that ANY anonymous suggestion of anything will cause any Dem to be forced out by our own party. We're doing their job for them.

But, hey, they might let us keep a few seats for form's sake and to have a few people to blame when they need a scapegoat.

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
28. Patty Murray is my Senator, and I'm very disappointed.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:22 PM
Dec 2017

Frankly, I'm disappointed in Tom Perez, too.

Franken was getting under the GOP's skin. His incisive remarks and questions at the hearings were extremely effective. This is why Bannon & Co are driving this narrative so heavily.

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