The bottom line in all of this is Hillary Clinton is the legitimate

[mfcorey1]

winner of the Presidency of the United States. Through manipulation, backstabbing collusion, treason, and encouragement from corrupt members of the Congress, she was cheated. Now moving on without another information discovery because we have enough. And OMG, we have no idea of the trove of information that Mueller has and has not revealed. I declare it to be so by the powers vested in me as a citizen of the United States of America. eom

[Voltaire2]

1. actually that isn't the bottom line

the bottom line is that Trump's election was certified and he is the legitimate winner. We are in uncharted territory with respect to interference and collusion, there is nothing much in the constitution that applies and that would de-legitimize the election, other than the impeachment process, and that process would not result in Clinton becoming president.

As an aside, in the original construction impeachment would have resulted in Clinton becoming president, as originally the vice president was the person who came in second. 12th amendment changed that to the current system.

[ElementaryPenguin]

8. How in God's name can you refer to Trump as "the LEGITIMATE winner"

With all the evidence mounting of a conspiratorial coup hoisted upon us by Russia and the Trump campaign?? He's no more the LEGITIMATELY elected President than you or I am!! I will NEVER refer to him as legitimate - and I don't even need to wait for the results of the Mueller investigation - I have no doubt where it's headed!!

[Voltaire2]

18. because the process to legitimize him was back last december.

words have meaning. "legitimate": 1.conforming to the law or to rules.

If the op meant to use some other word, the op should have done so.

[rock]

27. I'm going to go with "illegitimate"

Or to quote a pretty smart guy/gal, "Words have meaning".

[Agschmid]

2. Nope, incorrect.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Give it a rest.

[lunamagica]

5. No

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Keep living in the past,

the rest of us have bigger things to deal with, now and in the future. Like 2018 and 2020, for instance.

[lunamagica]

11. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029925953#post4

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. Exactly. Thanks for making my point.

Look ahead, that's where our future lies.

[lunamagica]

14. No, thank you for the thumbs up! Glad you finally admitted we can't just move on and forget

We will never forget!

Thanks!

[NurseJackie]

19. You're correct, of course, and the OP is right on target...

... with the fact that we MUST remember that Hillary was NOT "rejected by the majority" and that Hillary did NOT "lose fair and square". Those who try to discourage an honest discussion and evaluation of the historical FACTS have an anti-Hillary agenda. They believe that the party should embrace some "other" philosophy.



PS: I'm always amused when someone tosses out a non-sequitur of "thanks for making my point" at someone who (in reality) did no such thing. It's a way for someone to falsely declare themselves the "winner" of a disagreement and then not so gracefully bail-out of the conversation.

[lunamagica]

22. IKR? They say "Thank you for making my point" when they have no argument and no

response.

It's just funny

[MrsCoffee]

21. You sure you're looking ahead?

Probably hard to tell with your head buried in the sand.

[TheCowsCameHome]

25. 2016 is over.

2018 is the next big contest. Hillary is out of the picture. Bernie is out of the picture. Neither will be the standard bearer in 2020. It's time to be looking for new candidates to defeat the GOP in future elections.

13 months have already passed. It's time to look ahead.

[aikoaiko]

30. Saying something that is not true (HRC is the legit winner) is not learning from history.

It doesn't work that way.

[Maven]

17. No. nt

[lunamagica]

4. Absolutely!!! It's so sad that people just shug their shoulders and say, "Oh, well, there is

always next time. Then well have the most perfect, awesomest candidate who will mop the floor with them!"

Meanwhile, the republicans keep getting away with it, again, and again, and again...

This time it was the most blatant, glaring cheating by them. It seems that with each cycle they just get bolder with their shenanigans

And why not? If trump is removed, there's always pence and ryan, etc. Why would they stop their dirty game when it works so well for them?

[Wwcd]

6. Absolutely Hillary is the "legitimate" winner of 2016 Pres race.

Trump is illegitimate because of Kremlin's interferance & all out assault on our US Govt.

Pretty much nothing legitimate about that, is there.
Thanks for your reaffirming post.
We all know the election was stolen from all of us.
Madam President is the Legitimate President🍃🇺🇸

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. Yeah, and today Graham is warning military families get out of SK, because he knows

trump is going to bomb NK and he knows why, Mueller is about to take down him and his son in law.

[StevieM]

12. The media narrative not withstanding, we all watched her kick Trump's ass from one end of

the country to the other. She made mincemeat out of him.

The FBI repeatedly rigged the election until ultimately their was no time for her to recover from the latest set of destructive lies. They did more damage than Putin did.

[Motley13]

15. Hillary is the legitimate winner but not the technical winner

[heaven05]

16. +++1000

so true it hurts

[bluestarone]

20. i agree in my heart BUT

until 2020 there's not much to do about it We owe it to her to make a difference in 2018 and 2020.

[TarponSnook]

24. Only if "Citizens United" is overturn...We get screwed by big money.

The Democratic party is doomed unless "Big money" is taken out of politics. The repugs will sell out their own beloved mothers and children generation after generation because "big money" is more important than country. They will sell out their own brethren for a piece of silver just like "Judas".

[Gothmog]

23. Agreed

[stonecutter357]

26. K&R

[ClarendonDem]

28. These sort of anti-factual claims

Always make me want to ask what’s makes anyone think HRC is the “legitimate” president. Trump won the electoral college, which is how we elect presidents, and there’s no evidence that a single vote was flipped from HRC to Trump. There certainly wasn’t a “coup” or “treason,” not the way those words are commonly understood.

[delisen]

29. King George III-legitimate ruler of the 13 colonies in America

Well he thought he was, the law of the day said he was-but it turned out that he wasn't.

Legitimacy and legality are not always the same thing.

Ultimately the People determine legitimacy.