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George Takei tweeted that which we all fear and dread... (Original Post) Pluvious Dec 2017 OP
Thats why I would prefer this get dragged out until after the next election when Neema Dec 2017 #1
After the trouncing the Reps will take Stryst Dec 2017 #5
They will aeromanKC Dec 2017 #7
Yes, indeed!! Chemisse Dec 2017 #17
+1 onetexan Dec 2017 #48
Yep! warmfeet Dec 2017 #22
howdi. that has a nice ring to it . ms. speaker pelosi. AllaN01Bear Dec 2017 #23
Wow. This is really a thing. Pluvious Dec 2017 #26
Well, that is the question isn't it? Neema Dec 2017 #33
I've incorporated the use of "Piss drips". Amimnoch Dec 2017 #37
Hope you like these simple creations of your post... DAMANgoldberg Dec 2017 #46
Beautiful and creative! Thank you. Amimnoch Dec 2017 #47
I would like to take credit... DAMANgoldberg Dec 2017 #53
always pee on your tomatoes, they love the nitrogen & water and your neighbors won't steal them populistdriven Dec 2017 #61
Honestly, I think a different choice might be in order. citizen blues Dec 2017 #43
Can this boy share that dream? (n/t) PJMcK Dec 2017 #9
Abso-freaking-lutely. Neema Dec 2017 #20
We need a democratic House and Senate at the very least Obvious85 Dec 2017 #31
Or at least Randy Bryce takes his seat away from him. nt Snotcicles Dec 2017 #41
the GOP is using this azureblue Dec 2017 #54
I have been saying that on DU for a long time Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #2
I still hope it happens. In an unlikely twist,Nancy Pelosi Alice11111 Dec 2017 #3
Considering his habits, Trump, in fairness, should go first. maddiemom Dec 2017 #29
I was thinking simultaneously, and if the timing fell right, Alice11111 Dec 2017 #49
Ive recently posted that Paul Ryan has a permanent drool dripping from his Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #4
Very possible. The next stupid Trump tweet will suddenly be horribly offensive to the GOP Chemisse Dec 2017 #18
I've assumed that was the plan, but I think the 25th A more Alice11111 Dec 2017 #50
Quite possibly. This is like a college course audit in advanced government. Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #51
Funny, I used to teach government in college, before Alice11111 Dec 2017 #59
That's been crossing my mind, too. Vinca Dec 2017 #6
Paul Ryan may have some difficulties of his own....... sunonmars Dec 2017 #8
Yup! MelissaB Dec 2017 #34
Double Yup peggysue2 Dec 2017 #58
Ryan's campaign was another awash in kremlin money. PSPS Dec 2017 #10
Also the Wisconsim voting machines were almost assuredly hacked/compromised in 2016 FakeNoose Dec 2017 #19
Hey! He washed that $$ from Russia. It was clean!! MelissaB Dec 2017 #35
Unless both Trump and Pence are removed at the same time, Ryan won't be president. Fla Dem Dec 2017 #11
Right Fla Dem... Johnyawl Dec 2017 #14
Is it a straight appointment... tomp Dec 2017 #16
Gerald R. Ford, an interesting bit of history FakeNoose Dec 2017 #24
Ford did one really big thing: he pardoned Nixon tclambert Dec 2017 #39
Ford did not end the Vietnam conflict. Johnyawl Dec 2017 #55
It needs congressional approval. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2017 #32
Yes of course FakeNoose Dec 2017 #57
Do we know Paul Ryan isn't dirty? rainin Dec 2017 #12
We already know he is dirty. Amaryllis Dec 2017 #25
He laundered Russian money. He's dirty AF. MelissaB Dec 2017 #36
So then we wind up with Orrin Hatch dflprincess Dec 2017 #42
Regardless of who goes first or if both of them go, there will be a huge backlash next year.... George II Dec 2017 #13
Niet comradsky ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #15
Hes Eddie Munster and Eddie Haskell Oneironaut Dec 2017 #21
Farron Cousins from ring of Fire mentioned this months ago. DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #27
God help whoever comes after Trump (and Pence) ... Shoonra Dec 2017 #28
What if Ryan was gone by the time impeachment was over? Roland99 Dec 2017 #30
President Pelosi. nt. Amimnoch Dec 2017 #38
Pelosi, si. oasis Dec 2017 #40
Trump is easily the greatest danger Juliusseizure Dec 2017 #44
Most important thing is taking back the House and Senate in 2018 still_one Dec 2017 #45
Hilarious to see, but I still doubt trump is going anywhere from this investigation. 7962 Dec 2017 #52
Nah. Not enough time to impeach Mr Trump before 2018 elections... malthaussen Dec 2017 #56
exactly!! the problem is, there is not one person in the line of succession worth a damn. niyad Dec 2017 #60

Neema

(1,151 posts)
1. Thats why I would prefer this get dragged out until after the next election when
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:56 PM
Dec 2017

Hopefully we’ll have a Dem speaker at that point. A girl can dream.

Stryst

(714 posts)
5. After the trouncing the Reps will take
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:15 PM
Dec 2017

in the 2018 house elections, they may want to pick a new speaker.

Pluvious

(4,313 posts)
26. Wow. This is really a thing.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 08:00 PM
Dec 2017

We'd need to invent a new word to supplement the word apoplectic to describe the RW nuts.

But could we survive that many more months of the careening Orange Menace ??

Neema

(1,151 posts)
33. Well, that is the question isn't it?
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 08:58 PM
Dec 2017

We have only slogged through ten months and it feels like an eternity. Plus I would think the new members of the house would need to be sworn in before a new speaker could be named and then be third in line.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
37. I've incorporated the use of "Piss drips".
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 10:03 PM
Dec 2017

They call us snowflakes, and I'm "cool" with that (pardon the pun).

Snowflakes are beautiful, individual, and each unique. Sure, individually they are fragile, but when they get together they can shut down entire regions, bring down homes and structures, and completely clear the sides of entire mountains. When they work together they are beautiful, and powerful.

tRumpublicons, on the other hands are piss drips. Convenient reference to the Rumpus pass-time with Russian prostitutes.

There is nothing unique, special, or beautiful about them. They are foul, undesired, and no matter how much you try to shake them out, they still end up dripping down the side of your leg unwanted.

When a snowflake mixes into water, they bring life. When the piss drips get into water, they pollute and befoul it.

I am a proud snowflake.

They are foul piss drips.


DAMANgoldberg

(1,278 posts)
53. I would like to take credit...
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 10:30 AM
Dec 2017

but there is a Chrome Extension named Pablo that allows selected text to be overlaid onto an image, theirs or yours. Then it can be socially shared (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest), or you can Buffer (scheduled posts) plus download to a local machine or OneDrive/Google Drive/Dropbox.

citizen blues

(570 posts)
43. Honestly, I think a different choice might be in order.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:45 AM
Dec 2017

As the current party leadership ages, they need to think about passing the baton. I would like to see someone up and coming take the speakership while Pelosi is still there to guide and mentor as an elder stateswoman.

azureblue

(2,148 posts)
54. the GOP is using this
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 11:41 AM
Dec 2017

as a cover to ram through all the giveaways to the rich they can create. I believe that the sooner this gets resolved, the sooner we can expose and stop the GOP from stealing America blind. Which is their single purpose...

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
3. I still hope it happens. In an unlikely twist,Nancy Pelosi
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:05 PM
Dec 2017

could become President. Half of the RWers might die from high BP or heart failure.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
49. I was thinking simultaneously, and if the timing fell right,
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 07:41 AM
Dec 2017

maybe Nancy Pelosi could become Pres. I know it is about 3 pc chance, but that's what Dotard had.

Anyway, get rid of ad many of the diseased rat Repubs as possible ASAP. I'm not concerned with degrees of evil.
Smash them down.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
4. Ive recently posted that Paul Ryan has a permanent drool dripping from his
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:10 PM
Dec 2017

Lips at the thought of the line of succession.

Don’t put it past the party of Inhumanity to help get the Cretin impeached once and if the tax reform gets though

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
18. Very possible. The next stupid Trump tweet will suddenly be horribly offensive to the GOP
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:07 PM
Dec 2017

Then they start the proceedings, and get Ryan in place before the midterms.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
50. I've assumed that was the plan, but I think the 25th A more
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 07:46 AM
Dec 2017

likely, as their own connections and dirty laundry would come out in impeachment hearings or Senate Trial. There is a spider web🕸 of crime, cover ups and treason🦂🦂.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
59. Funny, I used to teach government in college, before
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:49 PM
Dec 2017

and after I was a lawyer. I hope I don't sound didactic.
Unfortunately, we, lawyers or lay folks, have all just had this thrown in our laps to figure out. I like to watch the good legal scholars on CNN.

Vinca

(50,282 posts)
6. That's been crossing my mind, too.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:19 PM
Dec 2017

Isn't there one woman on this earth who can accuse him of sexual impropriety? A blind woman perhaps.

peggysue2

(10,833 posts)
58. Double Yup
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:07 PM
Dec 2017

Ryan has a bunch of rubles to explain away because the Republican Party was awash in Russian handouts.

Gee, I wonder why?????

Never to be forgotten or forgiven!

FakeNoose

(32,656 posts)
19. Also the Wisconsim voting machines were almost assuredly hacked/compromised in 2016
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:26 PM
Dec 2017

Ryan's another weasel we have to go to work on. The only lucky thing for him, he's so far down the list.
But we'll get to him, don't worry.

Fla Dem

(23,695 posts)
11. Unless both Trump and Pence are removed at the same time, Ryan won't be president.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:38 PM
Dec 2017

If Trump is impeached and Pence is sworn in as president, Pence will get to appoint a VP. So even if Pence resigns or is impeached later, that new VP would then be next in line. Pretty sure that's how it would work.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
14. Right Fla Dem...
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:48 PM
Dec 2017

...That's sort of how it worked with Watergate. Agnew resigned, Nixon appointed Ford, then Nixon resigned.
 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
16. Is it a straight appointment...
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:02 PM
Dec 2017

...or does it require congressional approval? I would think the latter.

FakeNoose

(32,656 posts)
24. Gerald R. Ford, an interesting bit of history
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:58 PM
Dec 2017

In 1973 Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew began their 2nd term as POTUS and VP, and the Watergate hearings had not yet begun. By the summer of '73 Agnew was forced to resign as Vice President because he was accused (later found guilty) of corruption charges when he was governor of Maryland (or maybe it was Delaware.) Nixon had to select someone to replace Agnew but he wanted it to somebody who didn't look so good that Congress would go ahead and start impeaching him (Nixon.) He chose Gerald Ford who was already Speaker of the House and rather popular as a Michigan representative but not seen as a possible replacement for Nixon.

As the Watergate hearings came into full swing and Nixon's guilt became more apparent, the appointment of Ford took on a great meaning. In 1974 we had Watergate hearings, Saturday night massacre, secret tapes, smoking gun, etc. etc. and Nixon resigns. Gerald Ford who was never elected Vice President, becomes President on August 9th 1974. A few weeks later he appoints Nelson Rockefeller former governor of New York as his Vice President. Rockefeller was approved by the Senate, and we had 2 men in the top positions neither of whom had been elected. It could have been a coup but it wasn't, only because the Republican Party was very different in 1974 than it is today. Other than finally ending the Vietnam conflict Ford can't really say he did much as President, but he was a nice guy and didn't break any laws while in the White House.

If the same thing were to happen in 2018, probably we'd dispense with the Constitutional formalities and Vladmiir Putin would just fly into Washington and be sworn in as our next President.

Just sayin'

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
39. Ford did one really big thing: he pardoned Nixon
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 10:15 PM
Dec 2017

and ended the idea that "In America, no one is above the law." They used to teach that to kids in elementary school. I mentioned this to a current teacher and he said, "No, we never tell students that anymore."

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
55. Ford did not end the Vietnam conflict.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:01 PM
Dec 2017

The Paris Peace Accords were signed in January 1973 by Nixon. The US suspended all offensive operations, and began the withdrawal of all non-Vietnamese military from Vietnam. By August of 1973 95% of US forces had left the country.

Nixon resigned and Ford became President in August of 1974.

The North Vietnamese launched their final offensive in early 1975. This was a battle between the North Vietnamese and South Vietnamese. There were no US forces involved in the fighting. The Democratic controlled Congress blocked any increase in assistance to the South, including the use of US airpower that Nixon had promised the Saigon government. Saigon fell.

The US combat participation in the Vietnam conflict ended under Nixon. The conflict between Hanoi and Saigon ended while Ford was president, but Ford played no role in it.

Ford only did two things that are worth noting. He pardoned Nixon. And he offered conditional amnesty to Vietnam era draft dodgers. (Carter would later remove all the conditions, although some individuals were still excluded from the blanket pardon).

You're right, he was a nice guy and didn't do much other than have a very decent wife that the country pretty much adored.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords

FakeNoose

(32,656 posts)
57. Yes of course
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:04 PM
Dec 2017

I never said that the appointments weren't subject to Congressional approval. They always are.


rainin

(3,011 posts)
12. Do we know Paul Ryan isn't dirty?
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:39 PM
Dec 2017

I hope Mueller's team is looking at every financial transaction of his and McConnell's!

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
42. So then we wind up with Orrin Hatch
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 10:38 PM
Dec 2017

He's an asshole but he probably wouldn't run in 2020 and, if he had to worry about his "presidential legacy" he might decide to be slightly less of an asshole.

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Regardless of who goes first or if both of them go, there will be a huge backlash next year....
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:40 PM
Dec 2017

....and they'll be out of office in 2020.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
15. Niet comradsky
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:57 PM
Dec 2017

Ryan knew all along. Remember Kevin McCarthy's comment about Rohrabacher and Dotard being in Putin's pocket, and Ryan swore everyone to secrecy? No leaking!

The only way this would happen is if Mueller only goes halfway or decides to prosecute the big fish first. I just don't see this happening at all.

Oneironaut

(5,505 posts)
21. Hes Eddie Munster and Eddie Haskell
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:36 PM
Dec 2017

Even a cracked bulb like Drumpf must know that Ryan is itching to leap out of the bushes bite him in the ass.

Shoonra

(523 posts)
28. God help whoever comes after Trump (and Pence) ...
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 08:06 PM
Dec 2017

Whoever has to pick up the pieces after Trump is done in the White House will need extraordinary talent and a few miracles to get America healthy again. It may take more than four years to repair the damage that Trump has done in less than one year.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
44. Trump is easily the greatest danger
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:46 AM
Dec 2017

I think we assume his expected attempts to fire Mueller and/or not do something else that endangers democracy and the lives of millions will be quickly addressed.

The attempt itself will bring about a constitutional crisis dramatically more dangerous than during Nixon - because the partisan atmosphere and GOP corruption is much more toxic.

Trump also has millions of rabid dog supporters who would follow his calls for action, whatever they are. He's also commander in chief.

Pence, Ryan follow political norms. They wil leave if voted out. Democracy will be sustained. As long as we have democracy, wrongs can be fixed. Trump is a direct threat to democracy. I don't understand why or how people could want to keep Trump. Its going to be hell to get him out.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
52. Hilarious to see, but I still doubt trump is going anywhere from this investigation.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 10:24 AM
Dec 2017

and if he did, I bet there would be time for Pence to take office with Haley as HIS VP.

malthaussen

(17,205 posts)
56. Nah. Not enough time to impeach Mr Trump before 2018 elections...
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:03 PM
Dec 2017

... Mr Ryan may not be Speaker then. In any event, his first personal priority must be to try to keep the House in 2018. Then impeachment may be a more attractive proposition.

Somehow, the expression "By hook or by crook" occurs to me in re Mr Ryan's Presidential ambitions.

-- Mal

niyad

(113,413 posts)
60. exactly!! the problem is, there is not one person in the line of succession worth a damn.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 02:05 PM
Dec 2017

they are all complicit, corrupt, contemptible, catastrophic.

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