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Not.
Double standard much???
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)suspended.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)onenote
(42,715 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)malaise
(269,067 posts)false story about Obama's birthplace promoted and spread by Groper Don the Con.
Remember though that right now the corporate owners think they got their tax bill.
dalton99a
(81,526 posts)unblock
(52,258 posts)Mariana
(14,858 posts)while speaking the absolute truth. The simplest is to report, "Mr. XYZ says there is evidence that Barack Obama was born on Mars," and then proceed to let Mr. XYZ make his case. The audience forget that the story was not, strictly speaking, about Obama's birthplace at all, but was about Mr. XYZ.
Edited for clarity.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Only idiots believe such BS. Idiots believe what they want to be true, damn the truth...Roy Moore, Donald Trump, blah, blah.
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(52,258 posts)They dont know how to verify 2+2=4.
But theyll say mr. xyz says 2+2=5 then insist its a truthful statement because theyve got him on tape saying it.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)They aren't telling you 2 + 2 = 5. They're telling you Mr. XYZ said that. And that's a true statement, Mr. XYZ really did say that.
I keep telling my Faux-addicted father that you have to listen to ALL the words, because every one matters, but of course he doesn't. Hardly anyone does, and the writers of the news programs know that perfectly well.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)The big fucking liars for the most part didn't even believe it themselves. They just wanted to stir up racism.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Was that laid over the video or was that in the actual segment?
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)So I don't know if they have audience tracks in the background.
OnlinePoker
(5,723 posts)He was still an infinitely better President than the asshats that preceded and followed him. Best President since FDR in my opinion.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)at every turn. I think at the very end, he threw in the towel a bit, as in "I'm out of here," and Hillary will take over. He thought he had set her up for success. Not perfect, but very good.
He was certainly one of the most intelligent, multi cultural intelligent, and well balanced (usually, an odd combination) Presidents ever. Great sense of humor. He can sing, dance, and he was hot (watching him dance with Michele). Too cool for school. Geez, no wonder the jealous orange Dotard was driven crazy w envy.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)always noted the it was total BS. I'll delete this comment if anyone can find an exception.
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(52,258 posts)Covering it as a story at all was inexcusable and biased.
And they did say things like Obama hasnt released his birth certificate before he did. Which was technically truthful at the time but again hugely biased.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)The story was that Tump was an idiot for accusing Obama of not being a citizen. They reported that Trump was demanding to see his birth certificate because Trump is an idiot. Trump's supporters didn't care because they don't believe the MSM. Just like you. Hmm. The MSM just can't win with you, can they? The fact is, the MSM reported every stupid thing he said and did to expose him as an idiot.
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(52,258 posts)"hey editor, there's a non-politician of minor celebrity making racist lies about a politician! how should we cover this unimportant non-story?"
"wow! the people really need to know that there's a racist idiot liar who's not in politics somewhere! yeah, run it repetitively all over, everywhere you can! and when you do, be sure not to say flat out that he's lying or even wrong, never present obama being born in hawaii as fact, but just a "claim" so we can pump this fake 'controversy' for ratings! and don't call him out on the bigotry and double standard! let him say 'kenya' a lot and try not to mention that he'd be a natural-born citizen even if he were born abroad because his mother was a u.s. citizen!"
they should have covered this non-story the way they covered john birchers back in the day. barely a mention then nothing. this was not a legitimate news story, certainly not one that warranted anywhere near the promotional airtime.
even though the responsibility the news media signed up for is to present important, relevant facts, the only kind of fact the media seems comfortable with presenting is that "someone says ...". they feel uncomfortable determining the validity of the actual statement.
donnie's lies exploited this flaw and they gave him promotion and visibility and credibility he should never have had.
no, they didn't expose him as an idiot. they presented his lies in a way that convinced some people he was a liar, but which also convinced many people that he must be on to something because they keep talking about this "controversy".
it was an elementary test for the media and they failed horrendously.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)birther stance. No more and no less. Are you really going to defend that statement?
IMO, the MSM was correct to report that Trump was a lying birther. That should have made everyone vote against him. It didn't because there is such a large population of racists in the country. Trump didn't win because of his birtherism being reported. He won in spite of it. You could just as easily argue that the MSM was covering up Trump's insane beliefs if they didn't report it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/16/donald-trumps-birther-event-is-the-greatest-trick-hes-ever-pulled/?utm_term=.2f1f0f1e30c1
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(52,258 posts)donnie's entire political foundation was based on media promotion due to coverage of the birther lie. the media hugely supported him and his political viability with their extended and salacious coverage of the birther lie.
did the media ever say "birtherism is correct" or "obama was born in kenya"? no, but then again, i'm not sure offhand if donnie himself ever technically said any of that either. he usually just said things like that it was suspicious or there are questions or some people are saying or why haven't we seen the long form or whatever. point is it was a lie and we all recognize it as a lie because you can't keep raising the question and denying the facts over and over against without it being recognized as a lie.
and the media went along with it, raising the question and covering the controversy *as if there ever really was one in the first place* and refusing to come out and just plain say obama was born in hawaii end of story nothing more to report here.
if you don't want to call that a lie, fine, whatever, be my guest and call it something else, but my point stands, the media's reporting on the matter was horrendous and shameful and complicit.
keep in mind that they had no problem giving nearly no air time at all to third party candidates. they could have done the same with donnie, but they gave more air time on news programs to donnie *before he was a candidate* than they gave to actual third party candidates during the entire campaign.
the media makes editorial decisions like that all the time, and they support candidates or destroy them with how much airtime the give them. they hugely supported donnie in this way when they could easily have ignored him and it would have been completely justified. it's not "covering up" to not report, or only minimally report, a non-story lie of a non-politician non-candidate minor celebrity.
i'm not saying the should have covered up that he was a birther. once they decided to cover him at all as a politician, sure they had to cover his ludicrous statements about birtherism. but they did it in a way that promoted him because they kept going back to him, kept then asking him about other political things, and so on. they never covered it like a scandal against him or a disqualifying event or anything.
instead they kept bringing him back on the air to ask him more questions about other things. it was presented as an exciting controversy and they wanted to hear what he would say about the birther thing and also if he might say something exciting about other topics as well. it established him as an interesting if controversial political figure.
the media hugely overreported donnie before he was a candidate, after he announced, and during the campaign. that's huge support. i'm not saying they endorsed him directly or explicitly agreed with his lies, but so what? they gave him huge support.
let's say i'm peddling a new product, call it a sh*t sandwich. it has zero nutritional value, it's bad for you, it tastes awful.
maybe it's worth one story on the news, hey look, he's selling sh*t sandwiches, and that's it.
but then the media keeps coming back to talk about my sh*t sandwiches, again and again and again. i never say even i like it, i just say some people are saying they like it. the media reports it as a controversy and maybe brings on other people to say my sh*t sandwiches taste like sh*t. but they keep coming back for more stories and interviews.
eventually i make millions because people keep hearing about it so they have to try it. most people don't like it, but i'm on the air as a sandwich peddler and later i start peddling other sandwiches and they're terrible also but people try them too because i'm on the air so much.
you can't say the media is blameless or covered it reasonably. is there a point in perhaps arguing that if i scour the transcripts i won't find a single directly false statement made by the media? who cares and that's missing the point entirely. the decision to give the birther story massive coverage was part of the big lie and horrible behavior by the media,
i'm not sure if you had a point with your link. more of a story about how donnie used the birther lie to generate media attention and promote himself into a viable candidate, which is pretty much my point.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)No matter how many words you post, if you don't address my very straightforward point about the importance of the meaning of words in journalism and political discussion, you can't change that fact. Enough fake news, already.
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(52,258 posts)you're totally fine with the media repeatedly airing false stories over and over again and your very feeble justification is that it's not technically false to say that "someone said" that false statement? or that there were not false statements because they never technically said specifically that obama was born in kenya, they merely implied it over and over and over and over again?
ok, yeah. fake news isn't fake as long as they preface it all with "people are saying..."
whatever.
they broadcast that there were questions about obama's place of birth. that's a false statement, certainly any time they didn't immediately clarify that obama factually was born in hawaii and it's merely donnie conjuring up questions on the basis of zero evidence beyond skin color. the media did not do that. the media either directly made false statements themselves or gave donnie a ton of air time to make his own false statements. they most definitely did not challenge his statements every time and when they did they never outright called them lies or even false, afaik.
again, if you want to make a distinction between making and heavily promoting false statements, fine, be my guest, but it doesn't change my point.
would you feel better if i inserted "heavy promotion of" in front of "false statements" in the o.p.?
would it change anything, really?
Nitram
(22,822 posts)It was not a case of "people are saying." It was a case of, "this poor excuse for a human being is insulting the president in racist terms. Why would anyone vote for such a fraud."
In answer to your last question, "heavy promotion of" would be just as inaccurate. That is equivalent to suggesting that reporting on a fraud case is the same as "heavily promoting" the truth of the fraud. You sound a little confused, unblock.
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(52,258 posts)yes, as i already said, once he became a presidential candidate, then it was reasonable to cover the story (but again, not without stating flat out that it's a lie) but that doesn't explain the many, many stories and appearances the media gave him prior to his candidacy.
yes, that's "heavy promotion". i didn't say "endorsement", but it most definitely is "heavy promotion", just as if they talked about a new book over and over and over again. gosh i've never read it but people are excited about it boy oh boy. that's promotion. that's what they did with donnie and the birther story.
it's really remarkable that you're defending the media's handling of the birther debacle.
it was a major low point in the history of journalism.
onenote
(42,715 posts)How do you think that would work out under the current administration?
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(52,258 posts)i want the media to have a sense of journalistic responsibility and integrity!
onenote
(42,715 posts)"A responsible press is an undoubtedly desirable goal, but press responsibility is not mandated by the Constitution and like many other virtues it cannot be legislated." Miami Herald Publishing v. Tornillo (1974).
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)....to wildly fantastical stories made up by an eccentric scumbag millionaire.
Unfortunately, a large portion of the viewership did not.
diva77
(7,643 posts)Here's a list of advertisers for Hannity's show:
https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2017/05/23/these-are-sean-hannitys-advertisers/216607
up to date as of 12/1/17 - surprisingly HUGE
spanone
(135,846 posts)dalton99a
(81,526 posts)like in Russia or China
spanone
(135,846 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)I remember a time when if a candidate was accused of pedophilia, he would have dropped out of the race immediately and been investigated and otherwise never heard from again, for example.
30 years ago, guys like Trump ad Moore would literally be dismissed as viable candidates for dog catcher.