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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:04 PM Dec 2017

Trump is in big fucking trouble. He has pissed and shit on two things Mueller holds dear.

The FBI and the law. Trump has been insulting the FBI for two years. He calls Comey a liar all the time. He makes a mockery of the law.

I believe Mueller wants blood and his scalp. This will be an epic takedown.

Mueller can already prove Trump and his demons that work for him committed obstruction of justice. Thats done. I do not believe Mueller will stop there.

What is not being taking seriously enough by the press and many people is Trump denied an attack on America by our enemy because he was working with them. He tried to cover it up. That is conspiracy. Mueller will prove it.

Then there is the money. Mueller is following the money and he may evidence of money laundering.

I believe this has become very personnel for Mueller. I believe Mueller and Comey hate Trumps guts. Trump is every thing in life they hate. They want blood.

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Trump is in big fucking trouble. He has pissed and shit on two things Mueller holds dear. (Original Post) shockey80 Dec 2017 OP
I think Mueller is too ethical and too smart to make this matter "personal." The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #1
I agree 100% frogmarch Dec 2017 #3
My thoughts exactly. Lucky for the country because everything will be entirely fact efhmc Dec 2017 #20
Yep. Mueller's indictments will be fact-based. He won't fall for the emotional stuff. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2017 #6
Mueller also has a superb staff dalton99a Dec 2017 #7
But he must realize the seriousness of this. Kablooie Dec 2017 #10
Well said n/t emulatorloo Dec 2017 #12
Agreed he just got rid of someone on his staff for posting anti-trump rhetoric Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #14
Just to be clear he fired that guy back in August. gvstn Dec 2017 #24
Like Starr? Talk about a rabid vigilante vendetta. How much did that cost? notdarkyet Dec 2017 #23
Yes! Yes! eom sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #29
It's not so much that it's personal vlyons Dec 2017 #30
I think you are spot on Greybnk48 Dec 2017 #2
Makes Arrests Great Again. One footsoldier and one campos in the witness box and three in chains. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #4
Playing his cards so well captain queeg Dec 2017 #5
Actually, the *most ignorant repugs* believe the criminals are Hillary, Obama & Soros, etc. VOX Dec 2017 #19
Many seem to have single-issue brains with consequences be damned. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2017 #28
And contrary to their shopworn mantra about *smaller government*... VOX Dec 2017 #37
They see tRump and company for who and what they are pandr32 Dec 2017 #8
I would not trust Comey or Mueller Puzzledtraveller Dec 2017 #9
I agree, Mueller will not let his emotions get in the way. shockey80 Dec 2017 #11
This all but signals Trump is shitting himself, he's apoplectic. sunonmars Dec 2017 #13
Do not be too harsh on Comey. shockey80 Dec 2017 #15
Bullshit. Trump was already in deep shit and Mueller is a professional, not like Trump. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #16
Muellers silence is the most encouraging thing. nolabear Dec 2017 #17
Noticed, and this is encouraging. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #32
What about Treason? He colluded with a hostile enemy to take control of the US? Maraya1969 Dec 2017 #18
The US statute only applies.. cannabis_flower Dec 2017 #21
I think in the general sense yes it's treason. Americans see that. rockfordfile Dec 2017 #35
Piss and shit on FBI,the law and the press? HipChick Dec 2017 #22
There will be entire history and political science courses about this subject Calista241 Dec 2017 #25
Most Americans see Trump as un-American. rockfordfile Dec 2017 #34
I don't think so. I live in a red state, and he still has pretty high support here. Calista241 Dec 2017 #36
I wonder if Comey's tweets are strategic meant to ALBliberal Dec 2017 #26
I pray you are right. I still believe nothing will happen and Trump will walk scott free. OverBurn Dec 2017 #27
Around 30% mobeau69 Dec 2017 #31
I really hope you're right, but I don't trust repubs to do the right thing ecstatic Dec 2017 #33
I also think -- or at least want to believe -- RandomAccess Dec 2017 #38

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
1. I think Mueller is too ethical and too smart to make this matter "personal."
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:07 PM
Dec 2017

When you start taking things personally you become angry, you lose your objectivity and you start making mistakes. Mueller is smarter than that. He will go where the evidence leads him and nowhere else, and will prosecute only the offenses he can prove. The worst thing he could do is turn this into a vendetta, and I don't believe he will do that.

efhmc

(14,731 posts)
20. My thoughts exactly. Lucky for the country because everything will be entirely fact
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:08 PM
Dec 2017

and witnessed based.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
6. Yep. Mueller's indictments will be fact-based. He won't fall for the emotional stuff.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:16 PM
Dec 2017

And Mueller may indict well over 50 people. This is no small operation. It will serve as a cleansing action.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
10. But he must realize the seriousness of this.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:29 PM
Dec 2017

This isn't a normal 'bring the bad guys to justice' case.
This is a fight to retain the rule of law itself in America.
If this case fails the very foundations of our country would crumble.

Fullduplexxx

(7,865 posts)
14. Agreed he just got rid of someone on his staff for posting anti-trump rhetoric
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:39 PM
Dec 2017

He cant let any hint of bias come out or the right will hang the entire investigation on it

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
24. Just to be clear he fired that guy back in August.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:34 PM
Dec 2017

So fairly early on in an investigation that started mid-May with Mr. Strzok joining the team only in mid-July. So he worked about a month before being removed. Conservative sites are framing the issue like it just happened but that is not the case.

Because of his previous ties to the Clinton investigation, some were taken by surprise when it was announced July 13 that Strzok was joining the team of over 25 people, including FBI employees and support staff, in Mueller’s exclusive probe.


http://heavy.com/news/2017/12/peter-strzok-lisa-page-fbi-trump-texts-affair/amp/

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
30. It's not so much that it's personal
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:07 PM
Dec 2017

but that Mueller recognizes the criminal and treasonous acts committed by Trump. There will be a great reckoning.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
2. I think you are spot on
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:08 PM
Dec 2017

and I look forward to watching it happen. I don't think he will do it in anger or as a Vendetta, but he will do it with purpose, which is different.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Makes Arrests Great Again. One footsoldier and one campos in the witness box and three in chains.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:12 PM
Dec 2017

All waiting for judgment day and we are all waiting for the next mobster domino to fall.

captain queeg

(10,209 posts)
5. Playing his cards so well
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:16 PM
Dec 2017

Though I get frustrated by the slowness of the investigation he is playing his hand so well. Getting Flynn to flip and plead guilty was genius. You know the Trumpsters don’t want to believe anything against their lord and savior. Flynn makes it clear to the most ignorant repugs that crimes have taken place. If he’d had have to taken Flynn to court to prove anything the Trumpsters would just deny all and say he’d being railroaded.

I’m actually able to watch the news again after being so discouraged for so long.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
19. Actually, the *most ignorant repugs* believe the criminals are Hillary, Obama & Soros, etc.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:17 PM
Dec 2017

They wouldn’t care if their boy tRump had actually shot (as boasted) someone on 5th Avenue. There’s a swath of hinterland yahoos that worships tRump, for no other reason that they like having a big mouth (and ego) run the ship, even if it founders.

Just want to make sure that the genuine worst of the right is included here — they would welcome a fascist dictatorship. THAT’S how low (as in subhuman) they’ve allowed themselves to go.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
28. Many seem to have single-issue brains with consequences be damned.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:59 PM
Dec 2017

Anti-abortion and pro-gun being the most prevalent. Nothing else seems to matter, and grandma and the grand-kids go under the bus.

What amazes me is how little government has to do with the key issues they hang their hat (and future) on.

............

VOX

(22,976 posts)
37. And contrary to their shopworn mantra about *smaller government*...
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:47 PM
Dec 2017

Those one-or-two-issue right-wingers are fighting to EXPAND the reach of government into those areas where it absolutely has no business going, other than to protect citizens from any brand of extremism. They go after:
1) women’s health (a women’s right to choose is not in their narrow biblical worldview);
2) inserting their fundamentalist Christian religion into government and public schools;
3) loosening any/all restrictions of firearms and ammo sales and availability.

They refuse to view these issues as deleterious to the health and safety of most citizens. They are, in their blind zealousness, hacking away at the very liberties they profess to love so much.

pandr32

(11,594 posts)
8. They see tRump and company for who and what they are
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:25 PM
Dec 2017

None of the spin has had any effect on Meuller and his team. They pay close attention and see the coverup as it happens--sometimes in tweets. Everything is analyzed and documented. This is a methodical takedown by the FBI and related law enforcement.
They have pulled the threads--every one of them, and follow where they lead. This is personal only in the sense that Mueller and his team know that it is their sworn call to duty to take down those who are hellbent on destroying the laws and traditions this country has always upheld--until tRump and treason that is.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
9. I would not trust Comey or Mueller
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:28 PM
Dec 2017

you have no way of knowing what is in their heads or who's interests they ultimately serve, why so many have a fondness or at least a hope that Comey will somehow be on our side if he in turns harms Trump is beyond me. Comey nearly single handedly costs us the election, in my opinion, much more than Russia.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
11. I agree, Mueller will not let his emotions get in the way.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:31 PM
Dec 2017

I am just saying those emotions are there.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
15. Do not be too harsh on Comey.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:43 PM
Dec 2017

Comey is honest and he believes in the law. He made a big mistake with the Hillary investigation because he was worried about the politics, the election. He was in a tough position because he knew the FBI would look bad no matter what he did in the e-mail investigation. He was trying to please both sides which was not possible. Put yourself in his shoes, that was a very tough position he was in.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
16. Bullshit. Trump was already in deep shit and Mueller is a professional, not like Trump.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:48 PM
Dec 2017
Get a grip!

Mueller isn't swayed by tweets, while trump might nuke someone for a tweet. Mueller is following the law and carrying out his responsibilities under the law.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
17. Muellers silence is the most encouraging thing.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:55 PM
Dec 2017

No drama. No tweets. No interviews. No offhand remarks. Just doing the job, the way a pro is supposed to.

Maraya1969

(22,484 posts)
18. What about Treason? He colluded with a hostile enemy to take control of the US?
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:57 PM
Dec 2017

trea·son

ˈtrēzən/Submit

noun

the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

"they were convicted of treason"

synonyms: treachery, disloyalty, betrayal, faithlessness; More
the action of betraying someone or something.
plural noun: treasons
"doubt is the ultimate treason against faith"
synonyms: treachery, disloyalty, betrayal, faithlessness; More

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
21. The US statute only applies..
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:10 PM
Dec 2017

when we are at war. Too bad. However, I think there will be plenty of other things to convict him on.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
25. There will be entire history and political science courses about this subject
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:40 PM
Dec 2017

If that happens. I’m trying to not get too optimistic, but i still think Mueller will take out Bannon or someone else high up and call it a day without going after Trump.

If Mueller does what everyone here thinks / hopes, it would be the most epic prosecution in the history of history. It would make OJ, Nixon, 9/11, the Civil Rights riots and Pearl Harbor look like just another day.

And our country will come to blows over it; people will die. Every single member of Mueller’s team better have bodyguards of their own and for their families.

And i do believe it would blow back on us as well. Trump may be unpopular now, but he’ll be able to wage the public relations war of the century against Mueller and Democrats. And he’ll be the underdog.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
36. I don't think so. I live in a red state, and he still has pretty high support here.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:20 PM
Dec 2017

they certainly don't see him as un-American. Some may think of him as an idiot, but un-American would be one of the last adjectives that come to mind when i think of Trump.

OverBurn

(951 posts)
27. I pray you are right. I still believe nothing will happen and Trump will walk scott free.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:50 PM
Dec 2017

I'm just very pessimistic after the events of the last year 1/2. The whole f'ing country has gone nuts.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
33. I really hope you're right, but I don't trust repubs to do the right thing
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:16 PM
Dec 2017

And at the end of the day, Mueller is a republican.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
38. I also think -- or at least want to believe --
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 10:30 PM
Dec 2017

that Mueller is a true patriot, that he recognizes the existential threat Trump is to our nation as a whole and so much else in the world, recognized early on that Trump and Russia were a "thing" for real, and wants to get things fixed.

I don't think that makes him biased, I think that would make him insightful and prescient. After you've been seeing the patterns that crooks and others make for a number of years, it doesn't take much to suss out yet another criminal conspiracy behind the curtain, poking out now and then.

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