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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump is in big fucking trouble. He has pissed and shit on two things Mueller holds dear.
The FBI and the law. Trump has been insulting the FBI for two years. He calls Comey a liar all the time. He makes a mockery of the law.
I believe Mueller wants blood and his scalp. This will be an epic takedown.
Mueller can already prove Trump and his demons that work for him committed obstruction of justice. Thats done. I do not believe Mueller will stop there.
What is not being taking seriously enough by the press and many people is Trump denied an attack on America by our enemy because he was working with them. He tried to cover it up. That is conspiracy. Mueller will prove it.
Then there is the money. Mueller is following the money and he may evidence of money laundering.
I believe this has become very personnel for Mueller. I believe Mueller and Comey hate Trumps guts. Trump is every thing in life they hate. They want blood.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,748 posts)When you start taking things personally you become angry, you lose your objectivity and you start making mistakes. Mueller is smarter than that. He will go where the evidence leads him and nowhere else, and will prosecute only the offenses he can prove. The worst thing he could do is turn this into a vendetta, and I don't believe he will do that.
frogmarch
(12,154 posts)You took the words right out of my mouth (and phrased them lots better than I could have).
efhmc
(14,731 posts)and witnessed based.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)And Mueller may indict well over 50 people. This is no small operation. It will serve as a cleansing action.
dalton99a
(81,526 posts)and he runs a tight ship
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)This isn't a normal 'bring the bad guys to justice' case.
This is a fight to retain the rule of law itself in America.
If this case fails the very foundations of our country would crumble.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,865 posts)He cant let any hint of bias come out or the right will hang the entire investigation on it
gvstn
(2,805 posts)So fairly early on in an investigation that started mid-May with Mr. Strzok joining the team only in mid-July. So he worked about a month before being removed. Conservative sites are framing the issue like it just happened but that is not the case.
http://heavy.com/news/2017/12/peter-strzok-lisa-page-fbi-trump-texts-affair/amp/
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,252 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)but that Mueller recognizes the criminal and treasonous acts committed by Trump. There will be a great reckoning.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)and I look forward to watching it happen. I don't think he will do it in anger or as a Vendetta, but he will do it with purpose, which is different.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)All waiting for judgment day and we are all waiting for the next mobster domino to fall.
captain queeg
(10,209 posts)Though I get frustrated by the slowness of the investigation he is playing his hand so well. Getting Flynn to flip and plead guilty was genius. You know the Trumpsters dont want to believe anything against their lord and savior. Flynn makes it clear to the most ignorant repugs that crimes have taken place. If hed had have to taken Flynn to court to prove anything the Trumpsters would just deny all and say hed being railroaded.
Im actually able to watch the news again after being so discouraged for so long.
VOX
(22,976 posts)They wouldnt care if their boy tRump had actually shot (as boasted) someone on 5th Avenue. Theres a swath of hinterland yahoos that worships tRump, for no other reason that they like having a big mouth (and ego) run the ship, even if it founders.
Just want to make sure that the genuine worst of the right is included here they would welcome a fascist dictatorship. THATS how low (as in subhuman) theyve allowed themselves to go.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)Anti-abortion and pro-gun being the most prevalent. Nothing else seems to matter, and grandma and the grand-kids go under the bus.
What amazes me is how little government has to do with the key issues they hang their hat (and future) on.
............
VOX
(22,976 posts)Those one-or-two-issue right-wingers are fighting to EXPAND the reach of government into those areas where it absolutely has no business going, other than to protect citizens from any brand of extremism. They go after:
1) womens health (a womens right to choose is not in their narrow biblical worldview);
2) inserting their fundamentalist Christian religion into government and public schools;
3) loosening any/all restrictions of firearms and ammo sales and availability.
They refuse to view these issues as deleterious to the health and safety of most citizens. They are, in their blind zealousness, hacking away at the very liberties they profess to love so much.
pandr32
(11,594 posts)None of the spin has had any effect on Meuller and his team. They pay close attention and see the coverup as it happens--sometimes in tweets. Everything is analyzed and documented. This is a methodical takedown by the FBI and related law enforcement.
They have pulled the threads--every one of them, and follow where they lead. This is personal only in the sense that Mueller and his team know that it is their sworn call to duty to take down those who are hellbent on destroying the laws and traditions this country has always upheld--until tRump and treason that is.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)you have no way of knowing what is in their heads or who's interests they ultimately serve, why so many have a fondness or at least a hope that Comey will somehow be on our side if he in turns harms Trump is beyond me. Comey nearly single handedly costs us the election, in my opinion, much more than Russia.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)I am just saying those emotions are there.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)shockey80
(4,379 posts)Comey is honest and he believes in the law. He made a big mistake with the Hillary investigation because he was worried about the politics, the election. He was in a tough position because he knew the FBI would look bad no matter what he did in the e-mail investigation. He was trying to please both sides which was not possible. Put yourself in his shoes, that was a very tough position he was in.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Mueller isn't swayed by tweets, while trump might nuke someone for a tweet. Mueller is following the law and carrying out his responsibilities under the law.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)No drama. No tweets. No interviews. No offhand remarks. Just doing the job, the way a pro is supposed to.
sprinkleeninow
(20,252 posts)Professionalism to the max.
Maraya1969
(22,484 posts)trea·son
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noun
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
"they were convicted of treason"
synonyms: treachery, disloyalty, betrayal, faithlessness; More
the action of betraying someone or something.
plural noun: treasons
"doubt is the ultimate treason against faith"
synonyms: treachery, disloyalty, betrayal, faithlessness; More
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)when we are at war. Too bad. However, I think there will be plenty of other things to convict him on.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)all 3? yep...
Calista241
(5,586 posts)If that happens. Im trying to not get too optimistic, but i still think Mueller will take out Bannon or someone else high up and call it a day without going after Trump.
If Mueller does what everyone here thinks / hopes, it would be the most epic prosecution in the history of history. It would make OJ, Nixon, 9/11, the Civil Rights riots and Pearl Harbor look like just another day.
And our country will come to blows over it; people will die. Every single member of Muellers team better have bodyguards of their own and for their families.
And i do believe it would blow back on us as well. Trump may be unpopular now, but hell be able to wage the public relations war of the century against Mueller and Democrats. And hell be the underdog.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)they certainly don't see him as un-American. Some may think of him as an idiot, but un-American would be one of the last adjectives that come to mind when i think of Trump.
ALBliberal
(2,342 posts)bring Red Don's self incrimination twitter rages on.
OverBurn
(951 posts)I'm just very pessimistic after the events of the last year 1/2. The whole f'ing country has gone nuts.
mobeau69
(11,146 posts)and they were nuts to begin with.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)And at the end of the day, Mueller is a republican.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)that Mueller is a true patriot, that he recognizes the existential threat Trump is to our nation as a whole and so much else in the world, recognized early on that Trump and Russia were a "thing" for real, and wants to get things fixed.
I don't think that makes him biased, I think that would make him insightful and prescient. After you've been seeing the patterns that crooks and others make for a number of years, it doesn't take much to suss out yet another criminal conspiracy behind the curtain, poking out now and then.