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Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:35 AM Dec 2017

So there are two scenarios regarding the flynn firing tweet.

#1
When Trump learned that Flynn admitted that he lied to the FBI, Trump decided he would show that he was presidential and in control so he tweeted that he fired Flynn because of lying to the FBI.
His lawyer then points out that this is an admission of obstruction of justice since the day after he fired Flynn he tried to stop the FBI from investigating him for a felony.
Trump then invents the story that he didn't tweet the message, his lawyer did, to try and cover up his mistake.

#2
Trump's lawyer, out of the blue, suddenly decides to tweet from Trumps account a statement that he knows will make Trump appear to admit to obstruction of justice and would destroy his defense.

Hmmm. I wonder which story could be the true one?
Hard to decide.


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JI7

(89,252 posts)
1. he is just an idiot and says what he thinks will help him in the moment. he is incapable of putting
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:37 AM
Dec 2017

as much thought into it as you put in #1.

it's like how he thought firing james comey would get the democrats to back off the russia investigation .

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
2. Trump covering up his admission of obstruction is... obstruction.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:20 AM
Dec 2017

Only a bunch of panicky, punch drunk idiots would think this is good defense.

That lawyer needs to protect himself and deny this. Muellar and team will have questions for him if he takes part in this.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
3. #3. This could be a ruse....
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:21 AM
Dec 2017

...to allow tRump to declare his Tweets are not official statements, but only informal chatter to his fans. That might allow him to weasel out of any culpability for anything he's said on Twitter. Don't think tRump would dream this up, but his lawyers might in order to throw shade on some things he's said in the past. Of course, everyone with half a brain knows he lies with every other breath.

However, that contradicts the tone he's tried to transmit regarding numerous policy statements via Twitter. This and other issues may eventually come down to how much weight and validity a court of law puts on his Tweets, as well as those of others in this administration.



machoneman

(4,007 posts)
4. I generally agree.....
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:39 AM
Dec 2017

with your analysis but add: even if this is all a denial stratagem, his demand of Comey to stop his investigation of Flynn is far more damning. Keep in mind his public statements (on TV, now on video, etc.) verifying that he fired Comey over the Russia thing far supercede the importance of his idiotic tweets.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
7. Thank you, good points.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 08:55 AM
Dec 2017

Those things you mention are far more as on public record and will hold in court. I find it highly unprofessional that we have a president that uses Twitter at all, and would prefer our allies disregard his tweets. He seems too chickenshit to use traditional means of policy transmittal.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
11. It may result in an interesting legal argument.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:34 PM
Dec 2017

Do tweets from anyone's verified account constitute actual declarations? Perhaps a tort or criminal prosecution will help establish the nature of tweets. Are they comparable to written communications? Verbal ones? Are they, in some convoluted manner, hearsay?

That said, they are evidence. It'll be up the courts to determine their evidential utility.

I'm looking forward to see how this plays out.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
16. Not a lawyer, but I think there's plenty of case law...
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:17 PM
Dec 2017

relating to emails and blog posts, particularly where "having knowledge of" is in question. As you say, it will be interesting to see whether Tweets and Facebook posts constitute similarly valid statements in court or not.

After all the false bluster about Hillary's emails, it would be great if tRump is taken down in part by his tweets.


beaglelover

(3,486 posts)
17. They really think we are idiots to believe Trump's personal lawyer tweeted yesterday for the first
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:17 PM
Dec 2017

time ever on behalf of the POTUS. Yeah, right.

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