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mcar

(42,334 posts)
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:41 PM Dec 2017

I have a home-based business

At which I make very little money but it helps pay the bills. This tax atrocity eliminates my ability to deduct home office expenses. IOW, I'm better off working a Walmart for minimum wage.

So much for entrepreneurs and innovation.

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I have a home-based business (Original Post) mcar Dec 2017 OP
SCorp yourself? lunasun Dec 2017 #1
this mopinko Dec 2017 #2
I'll look into it mcar Dec 2017 #3
That's a lot of hassle, and no need. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #8
Not insignificant at all! gilpo Dec 2017 #9
I'm not making a general statement - only about the actual Schedule C business Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #12
Don't you do that on a Schedule C? dumbcat Dec 2017 #4
Yes mcar Dec 2017 #5
Where did you read that? dumbcat Dec 2017 #6
That is not correct. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #7
Only for employee business expenses dumbcat Dec 2017 #11
Correct - that is what I intended to say, if I didn't. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #13
I appreciate the feedback mcar Dec 2017 #10

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
8. That's a lot of hassle, and no need.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 08:47 PM
Dec 2017

This is part of the crazy scaremongering that was done because bill was still being written as they were voting on it.

The changes are to unreimbursed employee expenses. As a sole proprietor, you're not an employee.

gilpo

(708 posts)
9. Not insignificant at all!
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 08:50 PM
Dec 2017

As a prior WFH employee, I was able to deduct home office space and it made a difference. This will affect many salespeople.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
12. I'm not making a general statement - only about the actual Schedule C business
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:09 PM
Dec 2017

If you are a schedule C business (as the OP is), there is no need to become an S Corp, because Schedule C businesses are not losing their tax deduction - it is just a routine cost of doing business.

In addition, if you are an employee, you can't become an S-corp to make your employee business expenses deductible.

So neither the situation, nor the solution is the same.

There's a couple of solutions for employees (like salespeople) - both of which would require employer cooperation. Becoming an independent contractor would permit you to deduct the expenses - but if you become an independent contractor, you approximately double your social security - so you'd have to charge the employer a lot more for the same services to make it worth it for you, Conversely, you might work a deal with your employee to reimburse business expenses in exchange for lower salary. If you have a 100,000 salary & 10,000 in business expenses, offer to work for $90,000 but have all of your expenses reimbursed. You have the same pocket money & get to deduct all of your expenses. Your employer would have the same (or perhaps lower) expenses ($100,000 out of pocket - just going to two different pots people + business expenses. They would have a bit of an increase in hassle, but they might even save a bit, since benefits are often based on a percentage of your (lower) income.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
6. Where did you read that?
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 08:40 PM
Dec 2017

I can't find anywhere where it is proposed to eliminate them on Schedule C. All I have seen is eliminating Employee Business Expenses as miscellaneous expenses on Schedule A. If you own your business that does not apply.

Do you do your own taxes, or have them done?

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
7. That is not correct.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 08:44 PM
Dec 2017

The changes to deductions for unreimbursed business expenses are schedule A deductions, not expenses you incur on behalf of a properly reported (Schedule C) business.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
13. Correct - that is what I intended to say, if I didn't.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:11 PM
Dec 2017

So, as an owner, the OP deducts home business expenses as the OP always has.

BUT if the owner has employees, for example, each of whom have their own home office expenses, THEY don't get to deduct them becuase they are employees - not business owners.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
10. I appreciate the feedback
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:00 PM
Dec 2017

I read this in one of the many articles about the atrocity. I'll have to investigate further.

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