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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 05:17 PM Dec 2017

Word of Warning...Do Not Rely Upon Mueller to Save Us

We made that mistake with Fitz.

The proper response right now is to take to the streets to protest the tax cuts for the wealthy and every other crime that has or will be committed by the traitors in our midst. However, it is easier to sit back and say "Wait until Mueller gets done with them."

What happens if Mueller accomplishes nothing. Where are we then?

News that Flynn has flipped does not relieve us of our civic responsibility. That said, when is the next March on Washington?

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Word of Warning...Do Not Rely Upon Mueller to Save Us (Original Post) McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 OP
Exactly onecaliberal Dec 2017 #1
and take to our congressional districts to kick the bums OUT! elleng Dec 2017 #2
We must win elections C_U_L8R Dec 2017 #3
YES! elleng Dec 2017 #4
Regardless of what happens it's already clear Mueller is not Fitz JI7 Dec 2017 #5
Setting aside the 60s, when did taking it to the streets accomplish anything? brooklynite Dec 2017 #6
Republicans control all three branches of government but couldn't repeal Obamacare. meadowlander Dec 2017 #9
Taking to the streets Alpeduez21 Dec 2017 #10
You weren't at the Women's Marches, were you? Stinky The Clown Dec 2017 #12
I was indeed... brooklynite Dec 2017 #18
K&R uponit7771 Dec 2017 #7
It's right after the next February on Washington. Towlie Dec 2017 #8
Mueller will get the job done. Joe941 Dec 2017 #11
I am hoping the NY states attorney comes through mgardener Dec 2017 #13
Prepare for the pardon parade SayItLoud Dec 2017 #23
The Pardon Parade, followed by tRump's Dementia Defense. Wednesdays Dec 2017 #31
As long as they walk away from the White House Im ok with it. n/t whopis01 Dec 2017 #37
I'm counting on Mueller to do his job. Iggo Dec 2017 #14
Save us? We are farked....period. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #15
Ya Gotta Vote Kajun Gal Dec 2017 #16
Midterms is our time Heartstrings Dec 2017 #20
Amen! Kajun Gal Dec 2017 #24
Here are two events that I received from my Resistance pals BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #17
+1Million! sadiegirl Dec 2017 #19
I've felt this for a long time Jarqui Dec 2017 #21
Anniversary of the Women's March xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #22
The criminal Rethugs pay no attention to street protests . If all protesters were carrying AK47's geretogo Dec 2017 #25
I think the protests have made a difference in the past, don't you? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #27
That's all true but we are dealing with a far more amoral Ann Rand heartless and cruel group of geretogo Dec 2017 #32
Who is Fitz? I agree that Mueller may not be the savior that people hope he is. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #26
Patrick Fitzgerald... progressoid Dec 2017 #36
I have been thinking the same thing about Mueller kimbutgar Dec 2017 #28
Now a warning? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #29
a back up plan is good MFM008 Dec 2017 #30
Furthermore, Mueller's agenda is not to "take down Trump." Oneironaut Dec 2017 #33
We are lucky... kentuck Dec 2017 #34
Most likely nothing will happen Awsi Dooger Dec 2017 #35

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
6. Setting aside the 60s, when did taking it to the streets accomplish anything?
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:36 PM
Dec 2017

It may help energize people and bring them together, but I don’t see any politician change policy or any voter change their opinion because of one.

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
9. Republicans control all three branches of government but couldn't repeal Obamacare.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:42 PM
Dec 2017

Why not? Because people took to the streets and blockaded their offices and flooded their phone lines.

It's been working for the past 11 months and it will keep working.

We can't afford to sit on our backsides until 2018 when the Republicans will just steal the election again.

Alpeduez21

(1,751 posts)
10. Taking to the streets
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:43 PM
Dec 2017

is not for the politicians. It is for the people. Motivate and GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!

Of course, the Civil Rights protests worked. So there's that. This has to be that kind of movement. Be prepared that the authoritarian response it got is the same one we will get. Keep protesting and marching.

Stinky The Clown

(67,806 posts)
12. You weren't at the Women's Marches, were you?
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:48 PM
Dec 2017

The results of the last election are a direct result. Democrats unseating long time incumbents. Women ascendant. "Others" elected.

You're correct that no politicians are likely to change policy. That's why the solution - the real measure of the success of taking to the streets in MASSIVE numbers - is to change the politician instead.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
18. I was indeed...
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 07:02 PM
Dec 2017



...and as I said, marches are good for getting people energized; but people are already energized. Now is not the time for another march; it’s the time to plug into the political campaigns and IE groups to flip the House and Senate blue, as well as win the Statehouse and legislative seats, because that’s the only way that tax policy, health care, judicial appointments and other Republican initiatives are going to be stopped.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
8. It's right after the next February on Washington.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:40 PM
Dec 2017

Sorry. I know this is a serious matter but I just couldn't resist.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
13. I am hoping the NY states attorney comes through
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:51 PM
Dec 2017

We cannot give up.
Too many people are depending on us staying strong.
Not so concerned about me but am doing it for my childrena and grandson.
Not sure how old you are, but the 60's and 70's were not pleasant.
I only hope the Democrats stay strong and hold republicans accountable. We let Nixon and GW Bush/Cheney get away with murder, lterally.
We cannot do this with Trump. Republicans have to pay for their support of Trump and collusion with Russia.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
23. Prepare for the pardon parade
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 08:05 PM
Dec 2017

The F'n MORON will defy all his handlers and rain down the pardons.....UNLESS one of those unsealed indictments has his name on it! And if it doesn't then NY AG will be very important for the true needed deserved punishment for this evil human being and his brood. Florida where there is equal money laundering jeopardy will never follow the leads with Pam Bondi (BJ Pam) as AG of the state.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
14. I'm counting on Mueller to do his job.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:54 PM
Dec 2017

Save me?

Come on. I'm a grown-up. Ain't nobody gonna save me but me.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
15. Save us? We are farked....period.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:56 PM
Dec 2017

Even if the PGIC were sent to prison, is anyone crazy enough to think that it will solve all of America's problems?

 

Kajun Gal

(1,907 posts)
16. Ya Gotta Vote
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 06:59 PM
Dec 2017

Until people get off the couch and VOTE nothing will change. Whether small, local elections or major elections. People have GOT to vote! Low voter turnout only helps the Republicans. PLEASE vote!!!!! It's now our only power!

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
21. I've felt this for a long time
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 07:50 PM
Dec 2017

I think the most effective would be a general strike

But having protested all the way back to the Vietnam war and Nixon's "I've got nothing to hide", I never regretted it and always thought it helped.

Protests cannot be dismissed as "fake news"

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
25. The criminal Rethugs pay no attention to street protests . If all protesters were carrying AK47's
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 08:09 PM
Dec 2017

in one hand and nooses in the other maybe they would pay attention .

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
27. I think the protests have made a difference in the past, don't you?
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 08:11 PM
Dec 2017

The Repugs don't care, but it lets the masses of people know that they are not alone in their disgust and dismay, and gets them worked up more to DO something...like vote.

It also lets Washington know. It also lets history know. One way we know how keenly the Civil Rights era was felt is to look back at pics of the protests at the time. Same with the Vietnam War.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
32. That's all true but we are dealing with a far more amoral Ann Rand heartless and cruel group of
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:06 PM
Dec 2017

sociopaths in all branches than ever were in the past .

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. Who is Fitz? I agree that Mueller may not be the savior that people hope he is.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 08:09 PM
Dec 2017

It's very difficult to prove the things he's investigating. KNOWING is not proof.

YES...protest the tax cuts for the wealthy.

I can't go to Washington. Wish I lived in the area. Or any big city. I would join in. But I live in Bubba Land.

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
28. I have been thinking the same thing about Mueller
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 08:20 PM
Dec 2017

But what Twitler has done has been far worst than what bush did.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
30. a back up plan is good
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:21 PM
Dec 2017

but Mueller wont stop, and if maggot tries to stop him all hell will break loose.........

Oneironaut

(5,500 posts)
33. Furthermore, Mueller's agenda is not to "take down Trump."
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:09 PM
Dec 2017

He is only (probably) investigating if Trump did anything illegal. There's no guarantee that he will decide to prosecute anybody else.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
35. Most likely nothing will happen
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:11 PM
Dec 2017

Not that attaches to Trump in a meaningful way.

The greatest benefit would be registration drives while Trump's approval rating is so low.

Otherwise the huge favorite is normalcy...an incumbent serving 4 years then being renominated.

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