When (not if) tRumps TREASON is proved beyond a reasonable doubt

[stopbush]

shouldn’t his presidency be declared null and void?

Shouldn’t that mean that all of his executive orders are null and void, along with his judicial appointments and any legislation he has signed?

After all, we are talking treason here, a treason that started long before the Russians stole the election for him. How can we reward said theft by allowing the actions of a traitor who sold out his country to stand? Isn’t that aiding and abetting a foreign power’s actions to destabilize and destroy American democracy? Shouldn’t every action he has taken and every word he has spoken be viewed through the prism of his being a traitor?

[rainin]

1. I wonder if we were able to get the house, the senate

and the Presidency, could we pass a retroactive law that enables us to nullify all actions taken by an illegitimate President?

[onenote]

10. And how would that work

Would budget bills be retroactively repealed? Would the US be in default of its financial obligations? Would funding for various programs that actually still help people be cut off? Would every federal employee be laid off?

[rainin]

12. Could we not re -sign those measures we wish to keep

and nullify those we don't? I understand it's uncharted territory, but we shouldn't act like this didn't happen, just because it's never happened before. We have to change with the times. Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary courage.

If we find that voting machines were tampered with or hacked (I believe we already know they were hacked and voter rolls were accessed), could we not make a case that the electoral college vote is invalid? After all, the electoral college is just a reflection of the states' results.

If the process is illegitimate, it must be nullified. Even if it hasn't been done before. Even if we don't have a process in place for it yet. We've never had our election hacked by a foreign power before. Why would we have a process in place for a remedy?

[onenote]

14. No, we can't make a case that the electoral college vote is invalid

We can make a case for impeachment.

[rainin]

15. Then we have to get the house.

R's won't do jack shit. They are too dirty. Imagine what Trump has on them. Putin, too. I've never believed the Russians only hacked the democrats.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Better fucking hurry up because this time next year none of us will have the

time to post here or the ability.

Between the attack on us via govt programs and taxation and the end of the internet, game over in months.

[workinclasszero]

11. Yeah the internet will be metered by the minute shortly

Gee now why would the republicans want to lockdown the internet?

Hmm..........

[bearsfootball516]

3. I dont think so.

As much as Trump colluded with Russia to influence voters, the actual Election Day itself went untouched, as far as we know. And the electors cast their votes for him, so legally, there’s nothing illegal going on there.

[ClarendonDem]

4. First

He didn’t commit treason, which has a specific definition. Second, no, you can’t declare his presidency “null and void,” remove his judges (other than through impeachment for cause), or void any of his bills. I feel like this same thread has been posted a lot of times and the answer has been the same each.

Trump’s removal is out of our hands presently. It requires a finding of wrongdoing by Mueller that is serious enough to support impeachment. Instead of fantasizing about removing Trump’s judges or voiding his tax law, we should be working to elect more Dem senators and representatives so that if Mueller gets the evidence we have the votes to impeach. And if no such evidence, we have the votes to defeat Trump’s toxic legislative proposals.

[bearsfootball516]

5. THIS. So much this.

As private citizens, there’s nothing we can do to impeach Trump. If that happens, it’ll likely be for obstruction of justice. And even that is a huge if, especially with both the House and Senate red right now.

How do we make a difference? Get involved I politics. Help your local democrats in their campaigns. Most of all, VOTE. When Election Day comes, vote and send the Democrats into positions of power.

[onenote]

9. Thank you.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. No, it doesn't work that way.

He was validly elected by the Electoral College, and therefore his appointments, as odious as many of them are, are also valid. The way this mess gets fixed is by impeaching him or voting him out of office. We are stuck with the federal judges because those are lifetime appointments, and legislation that has been passed by Congress is also valid, but that legislation can be repealed or amended if Democrats get control of Congress and the presidency.

[rock]

16. No, we are not stuck with the federal judges

They can be impeached, every one of them appointed by the illegitimate bastard that put them in. The main thing that the Congress needs is the will and they will have the backing of the people!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. They can't be impeached unless they commit a crime

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or other wrongful act. Bad decisions aren’t grounds for impeaching a judge. The right wingers wanted Earl Warren impeached because they didn’t like his “liberal” decisions. Of course that went nowhere, but political reasons for impeaching a judge are bad reasons and establish a dangerous precedent.

[rock]

18. My take is that

Congress must merely say that the person being impeached is guilty of "high crimes or misdemeanors". I.e. it's strictly a judgement call. It does NOT have to be objectively founded. And they can remove anyone they disapprove of, especially if they is a ground-swell of popular support!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. It doesn't work that way. If it did no judge would ever be safe

from political opponents or from a hostile Congress. The reason the Constitution gives Supreme Court justices and other federal judges lifetime tenure is to enable them to make decisions free from political pressure from the other branches of government or the people, influenced by a "populist" mob mentality (would you want Tea Partiers or Trumpers impeaching Ruth Bader Ginsburg?). Since the Supreme Court was first empaneled in 1790, only one Justice, Samuel Chase, has ever been impeached. Chase was impeached on politically-motivated charges of acting in a partisan, politically-motivated manner during several trials. However, in 1805 Chase was acquitted by the Senate.

Fourteen lower federal court judges have been impeached on charges ranging from drunkenness on the bench to accepting bribes; most of the cases involved claims of corruption. The first was in 1803 and the most recent was in 2010. Eight of the judges were convicted by the Senate and removed from office, while three were acquitted and three resigned.

Following are some recent examples of the kinds of things that get judges impeached. Those things do not include issuing bad or politically unsavory decisions.

In 2014 Mark Fuller, Middle District of Alabama, was forced to resign or face impeachment because of an incident where he got drunk and beat up his wife.

Samuel Kent, Southern District of Texas, was sentenced to 33 months in prison in a sex abuse case for lying to investigators about sexually abusing two female employees. He was impeached but resigned in 2009 before he could be tried.

Then there was G. Thomas Porteous Jr., Eastern District of Louisiana, who was recommended for removal for misconduct that included receiving gifts from attorneys who came before him, filing false statements in his personal bankruptcy case, and engaging in fraudulent and deceptive conduct concerning his debts and gambling losses. He was impeached and removed from office in 2010.

Alcee L. Hastings, Southern District of Florida, was charged in 1981 with accepting a $150,000 bribe in exchange for a lenient sentence and a return of seized assets for 21 counts of racketeering by Frank and Thomas Romano, and of perjury in his testimony about the case. He was acquitted by a jury after his alleged co-conspirator, William Borders, refused to testify. Despite his acquittal in the criminal case Hastings was impeached and removed in 1989.

Harry E. Claiborne, District of Nevada, was indicted by a federal grand jury for bribery, fraud, and tax evasion, but at his trial the jury deadlocked and a mistrial was declared. He was tried again in July on only the evasion charges, and was found guilty, making him the first federal judge ever convicted of crimes while on the bench. Claiborne was sentenced to two years in prison. He was impeached and removed in 1986.

Lots more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_investigations_of_United_States_federal_judges

[rock]

20. Well, I could be wrong

And the republicans could pull all sorts of illegal stunts to get their party candidates elected (by stuffing ballot boxes with NO popular vote support) and we would be unable to remove those (apparently) winning members, unless, of course, they did something wrong. Thanks for your excellent rebuttal!

[sarisataka]

7. Nope

[onenote]

8. As has been pointed out many many times here, no.

Leaving aside the fact that Trump will never be charged with Treason (because we're not at war with Russia), there is no provision in the Constitution for declaring a presidency "null and void." He was elected under the provisions in the Constitution and if he's going to be removed it will be under the provisions of the Constitution.

I can't believe how many times this gets asked here, as if many people simply are unaware of the Constitution's provisions.

[Puzzledtraveller]

13. If I say it's not going to happen

do I lose my cred.

I just don't see Trump going anywhere until we unseat him at the ballot box with a bright and fresh candidate.

Besides, Pence in my opinion would be far worse.

I am a realist, and we need to move forward and talk louder than the big mouth in the WH with a unified message and real plans.