He's tweeting, and it could be admission to obstruction

[PunkinPi]

Link to tweet

I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!
- DJT

Link to tweet

Oh my god, he just admitted to obstruction of justice. If Trump knew Flynn lied to the FBI when he asked Comey to let it go, then there is your case.
- Matthew Miller

Link to tweet

...just couldn't resist commenting on Flynn.

Are you ADMITTING you knew Flynn had lied to the FBI when you asked Comey to back off Flynn???????????????????????????????????????????
- Walter Shaub

Link to tweet

Wait, you knew Flynn LIED to the FBI when you asked the FBI to STOP the Flynn investigation? That's. Obstruction. Of. Justice.

Link to tweet

This is a pretty substantial confession to essential knowledge elements of an obstruction of justice charge.
-Susan Hennessey

Link to tweet

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the President appears to be saying that he knew that at the time that his National Security Advisor committed a felony?
-David S. Bernstein

Link to tweet

If Trump is saying what it appears he’s saying, then Trump fired Flynn with the knowledge that Flynn had lied to the FBI and then he asked Comey the following day to let the investigation go.
-Kyle Griffin

Link to tweet

THIS IS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. @POTUS now admits he KNEW Michael Flynn lied to the FBI. Yet Trump tried to influence or stop the FBI investigation on #Flynn.
-Ted Lieu

_________________________________________________________________________________
UPDATE (timeline to help follow implications):

Link to tweet

So the timeline with the implication in this tweet:
Feb. 13: Trump fires Flynn knowing he lied to the FBI
Feb. 14: Trump asks FBI Director Comey to let the investigation go
May 9: Comey is fired
May 11: Trump tells NBC he considered 'this Russia thing' before firing Comey
-Kyle Griffin

[NastyRiffraff]

1. His tweets are already being used as evidence

Guaranteed. Mueller is no fool and wouldn't pass up that treasure trove.

[pandr32]

10. Can you just imagine tRump being questioned under oath?

He can barely speak as it is and he lies constantly. How would he be able to keep it all straight and make any sense?
He will tie himself in knots with a big one around his own neck.

[SergeStorms]

34. Mueller and Co. would have him....

admitting to the Kennedy Assassination before he had to be removed from the stand, curled in a fetal position, sobbing for his Mommy.

For someone who presents himself as such a tough guy, he's going to totally look like the insecure little boy he really is before this is over. Trump has thumbed his nose at the law his entire life, well Donnie, it's time to pay the piper.

LOCK HIM UP!

[Generic Brad]

39. Admitting to the Kennedy assassination? Really?

Does that make him Ted Cruz's father?

[SergeStorms]

43. IT MUST!

I'm sure a few of his brain-dead supporters are already researching that.

[Ilsa]

58. I think he's more likely to blow up at the prosecutors, start

Screaming, ranting, making accusations, whataboutisms on Hillary, PBO, etc until they have to call a doctor in to sedate him, or arrest him for making threats.

[DangerousUrNot]

51. Haha

The picture I painted in my head of that scenario.

[George II]

66. Reminds me of this classic scene:

[Pachamama]

2. He is really an idiot....and just admitted to obstruction of justice...

[Larrybanal]

44. he's an idiot

trump knows nothing about the law...crap his attorney barely knows anything about the law

[spanone]

3. K&R...

[demmiblue]

4. Oh my!

[smirkymonkey]

35. Those dogs eating popcorn are just too cute!

Not to distract from the seriousness of this thread. Carry on.

[MaeScott]

5. Kicked.

[MFM008]

6. Maggot probably

Means he lied to FBI and that's why he was charged. Unless Flynn had talked to the FBI before he was fired.
Then..... ooopppssss.

[deminks]

7. Stupid is as stupid does.

[forgotmylogin]

8. This is why Mueller is taking so long.

New evidence keeps piling up faster than they can process it.

[Honeycombe8]

9. Not exactly. Trump isn't saying he knew at the time that Flynn lied to FBI.

We all know now that he lied to the FBI because he's plead guilty. Who knew for sure what Flynn told the FBI earlier this year?

We all knew that Flynn had lied to the V.P. because Pence said on TV what Flynn had told him.

Trump has maintained that he asked for Flynn's resignation because he lied to the V.P., period. He did NOT say at the time that he fired him for lying to the FBI. That's a new statement he's making.

[mr_lebowski]

11. It is implied by the way it's worded but likely wouldn't stand up in court as evidence

Thereof, in and of itself.

But there might be other corroborating evidence in which case the tweet could be used as part and parcel.

[mobeau69]

25. "Implied"?

IDGI?

[calimary]

38. What I think is important to remember, though,

is that this is NOT an isolated incident. This is NOT one random comment in a universe of other things. There's a LOT of this stuff.

I am pleased to notice that, now, there are a few more voices piping up that mention "when you take it all up together," and other such comments. People are starting to connect the dots. It's not just one thing. It's A BUNCH of things. From and about and by Mike Flynn. And there's Manafort. And Gates. And Papadopulous, and Sessions, and Donnie Junior, and Jared, and Michael Cohen, and most if not ll of his Cabinet secretaries, and all these Russians who keep popping up in the stew pot. AND from trump himself starting with that Lester Holt interview - of HIM, in HIS own words. And then all the very public denials - of HIS. Taken all together, adding all this up, considering all these details that all seem to weave together, WHAT THE HELL ELSE COULD YOU CALL IT?

At the very LEAST, it's obstruction of justice.

And I love to see people starting to connect the dots, which all seem to lead to the same thing. For awhile, only Rachel Maddow did it, using her show as a platform. But now, she's no longer alone in that. It isn't a mass of people yet, but I'm seeing it more and more. And I'm seeing more relevant components being taken in. Like social media, which contributes tremendously to perception management on a mass public scale. And it's not just the manipulation and steering of public opinion toward an agenda. Prosecutors and defense lawyers can use it, too.

I saw, just today on MSNBC, a discussion about that, where various opinionaters explained the contribution of social media toward shaping and managing public opinion. The context was trump's tweeting admission of what looks like obstruction of justice. Social media has muscle! According to MSNBC legal analyst Danny Cevallos, "that's where criminals often make cases against themselves" - Danny Cevallos, MSNBC Legal Analyst. Slate's Dahlia Lithwick noted an increase in "judges dropping trump's tweets into footnotes..." Yep. Don't forget social media. Look what a role Facebook played last year. As the case is being made for impeachment for obstruction of justice, that element has to be taken in, too. It counts. And it matters.

[Honeycombe8]

55. Yes, but that's not what this thread is about. It's about ONE Trump tweet...

and one other tweet by someone who says that the Trump tweet is an admission of obstruction of justice guilt.

It's not really.

But it's not necessary for that tweet to prove obstruction. There's plenty of ammo for Mueller to use for that, as far as the Comey firing. For one thing, no doubt Flynn is spilling his guts that HE TOLD TRUMP THAT HE'D LIED TO THE FBI. Now THAT would add to the obstruction case, I would think. But not this Trump tweet. IMO.

[mobeau69]

17. Wait a minute.

Firstly, "We all knew that Flynn had lied to the V.P. because Pence said on TV what Flynn had told him." Because Pence said so? Really, that's good enough?

Secondly, "That's a new statement he's making." True but he still said it in his tweet this morning. So if he knew that at the time he fired Flynn that raises all kinds of questions.

Of course that part of his tweet was another lie.

Surprise, he fucked up again!

[L. Coyote]

21. He just admitting to knowing ---when he fired him--- that Flynn lied to the FBI.

But hey, this is all just tangled web weaving at this point, lies to try to cover for previous lies. It is a lie the Flynn lied to Pence, a lie to cover for Pence being in on the lying. Flynn was fired (resigned) to protect Pence, and ultimately Trump, the guys giving him his marching orders who he lied to protect.

[uponit7771]

48. Nope, this is an apple not an banana ... CONTEXTUALLY ... is at the time of the firing not now

[marylandblue]

53. Sally Yates knew Flynn lied and told Trump

Trump fired her shortly after that. She is a key witness.

[Honeycombe8]

54. No. She reported to the W.H. that Flynn had lied to PENCE.

She reported that, because he was compromised & could be blackmailed, because she knew that he had talked about sanctions to the Russian rep.

But neither she, nor anyone else outside of the FBI, knew what Flynn had told the FBI, that we know of.

We can assume that Flynn told Trump, but there is no proof of that.

[marylandblue]

57. She told him more than has been publicaly revealed

She alluded to information she couldn't reveal in her testimony in May. Flynn was interviewed by the FBI on jan 24 According to this timeline, the FBI briefed on Jan 25 and on Jan 26 she spoke to McGahn.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/sally-yates-provided-a-helpful-timeline-of-the-mike-flynn-saga-w481357


We don't know all the details of those conversations, but it seems likely she did know that Flynn lied to the FBI at that point and told Trump about it. We also don't know what McGahn told Trump, but I bet Mueller knows.

[Honeycombe8]

59. No. Not the FBI.

In addition to misleading the American people, Yates said she told McGahn that she and her colleagues at the Justice Department were particularly concerned the Russians were aware that Flynn had misled the vice president and other officials about the conversations, and that they could potentially use that information as blackmail against him. "Finally, we told them that we were giving them all of this information so that they could take action, the action that they deemed appropriate," Yates said.

Yates' info was that he'd lied to the public, to Pence "and other officials." FBI agents are not "officials." There was nothing to indicate she was informing the W.H. that Flynn had lied to the FBI. It is unlikely she would have done that. The thing that made Flynn compromised was NOT what he told the FBI, since the Russians wouldn't know that. It was what he told the public and the V.P. THAT'S what made him compromised.

[marylandblue]

64. I think Trump will need more lawyers. You should apply

[xxqqqzme]

61. These are liars

lying to liars. How do they know what is really occurring? No wonder everything is such a mess.

[PatSeg]

12. Oh no!

His babysitters left him alone with his phone. His lawyers must be having a fit.

[demmiblue]

23. Winter vacay is coming up...

they must be freaking out!

[argyl]

46. Every days a holiday in Trumpland.

Play golf, make a bundle sticking your Secret Service detail in the most expensive rooms and billing ( but probably not actually providing ) the government for the most expensive meals his trashy little Mir a Lago Shangri La has to offer.
And pocketing the cash for rental of a golf cart. A three day weekend probably puts a million bucks into his tiny little hands. All for tweeting, watching Fox News, eating KFC in bed, and plotting revenge on his ever lengthening lists of enemies, or people who’ve just done him wrong.

[PatSeg]

63. Oh yes,

they're going to have to get really creative or maybe put drugs in his Diet Coke.

[MelissaB]

13. He's going to make some big mistakes

and help hang himself. He's cornered. Flynn has turned on him. Maybe he's finally realizing what this means.

[Sancho]

14. I think the obstruction was easy to prove months ago...

Mueller is going for money laundering, illegal Russian contributions to a bunch of politicians, and criminal conspiracy. He wants to punish the Russian bank accounts, and also the assholes who took their money.

He will use the threat of jail to keep looking under the rocks until the bank accounts and off shore havens are uncovered.

The tRumps, McTurtle, and Peep Ryan were all involved. I hope he tears down those towers.

[Cosmocat]

18. He literally can't go a week without

Saying or tweeting something that screams obstruction of justice.

[CrispyQ]

28. The only way to fix our country is to cut out the rot that is the GOP.

The brand needs to be exposed for what it is & only if Mueller gets the entire upper echelon of the party, will enough voters have their eyes opened & stop voting for these assholes. If he takes down Trump & leaves Pence/McConnell/Ryan in place, we'll be back here again. McConnell is the worst of them all, imo. The stolen SCOTUS nom was a betrayal of the foundation of our government. I'll bet right now he's thinking of ways to change senate rules to slash SS/Medicare with just 50 votes.

[Volaris]

29. Agreed. Bobby 3 Sticks wants the conspiracy charge,

So that anyone who even KNEW about this can be threatened with prison, so they can roll over.; I think the BIG picture is that the money laundering goes to Russia, Putin and the Russian Mob on US soil..He can break them with this, and he can break the TreasonWeasel GOP, with them.
But it will take time yet. Patience...and GOTV for 2018, because at the end of this, this nation will need a justice dept that's willing to not just imprison a president, but to possibly destroy a major political party in this country for crimes committed BY THE PARTY.

[rockfordfile]

52. I agree. Obstruction of justice

[blimablam]

15. Wow

[L. Coyote]

16. Trump may as well tweet his resignation after that admission.

Or, he can just claim he is lying now.

[sunonmars]

19. I knew it, he could not resist and he has now driven a truck through his own defence

[DDySiegs]

20. That Tweet is All by Itself Enough . . .

for a Prima Facia Case for Obstruction of Justice. If Mueller ever drafts a criminal complaint charging Trump with Obstruction, that tweet will be in an early paragraph thereof, all by itself. It’s a slam dunk kind of fact.

[TryLogic]

22. Flynn was fired (supposedly) "because he lied to Pence".

Pence is not the FBI. We might be getting ahead of ourselves, or am I dense?

[mobeau69]

24. "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI."

I've read this several times and I don't see how this can be misunderstood. Help me out here. What am I missing?

[Satch59]

27. Not missing a thing...

Should be a headline on all news sites... His lawyers are probably drinking right about now...

[uponit7771]

49. +1, yeap ... in context its AT THE TIME of the firing not afterwards

[mobeau69]

60. Thanks. I thought i was losing it. I just couldn't see any other interpretation.

[Kirk Lover]

26. There are so many people who want trashbag banned from twitter...why I don't know because

his tweets are going to help hang him....and hang this muthafucka high.

[ancianita]

30. That's why they want him hidden. Twitter knows this is the only unfiltered access to Trump's state

of mind during the campaign, during the presidency.

Twitter knows it's unconstitutional to censor the president of the United States.

[demmiblue]

31. Adam Schiff responds:

Link to tweet

[gademocrat7]

32. Obstruction of justice

Yes indeed. Keep tweeting orange buffoon.

[marble falls]

33. Thank goodness niether Trump nor his sons, Bevis and Butthead Trump know when to STFU...

I bet they give their attorneys angina. These guys manage to tell the truth in the middle of their lies. Makes you wonder: who's side are they on, anyways?

[smirkymonkey]

36. He just can't help himself, can he?

What a stupid fuck!

[bdamomma]

42. Good in some way

with his stupidity I hope the GOP burns in hell they deserve it. PERIOD.

[sarcasmo]

37. Dolt45 living up to his name.

[DesertRat]

40. Ty Cobb must hate his job right now.

Can't wait to hear him spin it.

[gibraltar72]

41. As Archie

said he obstructed justice Ipso Fatso!

[Marcuse]

45. It is only locker room talk. Means nothing

[Ferrets are Cool]

47. And yet, he's still the PGIC

[CakeGrrl]

50. If Trump's team can't or won't control the tweets, they go down

either WITH him, or FOR him.

[BoneyardDem]

56. Looks like Trump's attempt at distancing himself from Flynn, involves lies

So Trump is either lying now in this tweet, lying back at the time of firing....this is ultimately causing Trump even more troubles. #trumpcantkeepitstraight

[L. Coyote]

62. Trump is terrible at his job, but hes doing Muellers job for him super-well.

Andy Borowitz
7 mins ·
https://www.facebook.com/andyborowitz/posts/10156336446080681

[orleans]

67. awww.....

"This page isn't available

The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed."

[L. Coyote]

73. You have to be a Fb user to access the content.

[orleans]

78. i am n/t

[L. Coyote]

79. Looks like he took it down. No matter, I copied the entirety.

Andy Borowitz
55 mins ago

Our current nightmare is what happens when the richest one percent and the dumbest one percent are in charge.

[Guilded Lilly]

65. And perhaps now that the Republicans have rammed the tax sham

through Congress, they are more than willing to get rid of the Cretin. He has well served his diversionary purpose.
They will turn a blind eye to the pile of Twitter rope he is ignorant hoarding to hang himself. The Cretin may be profoundly stupid, but the Congressional Republican hierarchy is not.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they have hoped for it to reach that conclusion.
Pence could easily go down with the leaking corroding ship. They don’t need his tie breaking vote now, do they?...and, oh, my, who would that benefit, Speaker Ryan??

[Duppers]

69. According to Steve Schmidt, ex-gop strategist,

On msnbc, "They won't impeach him."

Who knows? They're all pigs.

[CTyankee]

72. when did Schmidt say this? Before this latest revelation?

[Duppers]

75. Nope, it was 3 or 4 days ago.

Do you think anything will change the minds of his base? They don't understand or follow this.

[JHan]

68. lock em all up...

[Duppers]

70. Excellent compilation, PunkinPi!

Thank you so much!

Does anyone personally know any Republican voter(s) who is/are following any of this?

This appeared in the Washington Post just yesterday...

"... despite the expanding probe, 59 percent of white Catholics — a group that Trump won in the 2016 election — don't believe that the president committed a crime in connection with possible Russian attempt to influence the election. That number is close to the percentage of white Catholics who voted for Trump in 2016 — 60 percent, according to the Pew Research Center.
...
The most important religious demographic in Trump’s base — white evangelicals — have made up their minds. Seven in 10 white evangelicals do not believe there is clear evidence of Russia’s involvement in the 2016 presidential election, according to the Public Religion Research Institute.

And the group is overwhelmingly more likely to believe in Trump’s innocence in the Russia probe. Nearly 8 in 10 — 79 percent — of white evangelicals believe it is unlikely that Trump committed a crime.

"
https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBG38rJ?m=en-us


As another DUer recently said, "the RW's problem is religion." Well, it seems there's a connection.
Next question is: Will this Congress impeach him since their base constituents do not think Trump is guilty of any crimes?

[PunkinPi]

71. Hey, Duppers, you're welcome.

Religion is a heckuva drug. I know the most devout Catholics in my family watch Faux News and parrot whatever crap Hannity (and O'Reilly when he was still there) peddles, so I do think there is a connection there. And if the same poison that Faux preaches is what they are getting Sunday morning in church, then I think it's time to start taxing the churches, no?

[Duppers]

74. Absolutely!

Hubs was talking about this again just last night.



Hi to your S.O. for me, my friend.

[PunkinPi]

77. Will do. :)

[El Shaman]

76. Should'n

he be playing golf , or something?