Millenials: move away if you can. USA is over. We killed it.

[kpete]

America died tonight. Economic suicide adopted to feed the insatiable greed of donors, who have been refusing to dole out $ to GOP until they got their tax cuts. Voters fooled by propaganda and tribal hatred.

Link to tweet

[BannonsLiver]

1. Sounds like Kurt needs to get laid.

Tough pill to swallow but defeatism gets us nowhere.

[Willie Pep]

2. This is a bit sensationalistic.

Yeah things are bad and will likely get worse but they can be fixed. We just need to elect the right people and get better policies in place. Easier said than done but it is still possible.

[brush]

81. We have to defeat this strain of greed poisoning the country and manifested most in the repug party

Combating their vote suppression, vote machine hacking and all their dirty tricks should be the DNC's priority as much as getting out our votes — a permanent, dedicated committee comprising attorneys, private investigators, fund raisers, social media and tradition media liaisons, volunteers, PR people to get the word out about our efforts to stop repug vote stealing.

After all, any votes we stop them from suppressing/stealing is a vote for us.

Again, this effort should be just as sustained as the GOTV effort.

[peacebuzzard]

4. This guy doesn't get out much.

Not too culturally aware.

[roamer65]

5. We shouldnt move to Canada.

We should move Canada to us.

[HughBeaumont]

11. +1,000,000.

See folks? It's not really that hard to come up with sound bites for our side.

[sadiegirl]

72. We should have a wave of blue moves to the red states and take over there. We can build it and

they will come.

[roamer65]

80. Not me. No thanks.

I’d rather see secession and join the Canadian confederation.

[xmas74]

83. I'd welcome you to Missouri.

With the right concentration of blue voters in key areas we could turn blue again.

[edhopper]

6. I think he hit the nail

this tax bill is a mortal wound.

[hlthe2b]

7. She may be the only American to readily (successfully) do so

The rest of us are screwed

[NCTraveler]

8. Says the guy with the means to leave...

To the group with the least ability to leave.

[OliverQ]

9. I'd be gone already if it were possible. I have no way to leave :(

[Glorfindel]

18. Me, too.

I dream of living in a civilized country somewhere.

[OliverQ]

24. Maybe we can convince Canada or places in Europe to

have pity on us and loosen their restrictions on American immigration. Don't we qualify for political asylum at this point?

[RKP5637]

70. Many places really don't like or want Americans! n/t

[workinclasszero]

21. Shit I wish I could move to California!

Canada or some civilized European country is an unattainable dream for sure.

[AJT]

38. The only remotely affordable areas in CA are the red ones.

[workinclasszero]

39. Well there you go..

No escape for me.

FML

[RKP5637]

71. You're locked in the Twilight Zone episode known as America. n/t

[workinclasszero]

76. Life sentence for most of us.

[CountAllVotes]

42. That is not true

It is not as expensive in many of the northern parts of the state -- FAR north and inland towards Nevada even is about the same. Many that I know have left the cities and moved to rural areas and no, not all rural areas are "RED" so to speak.

Bernie Sanders won by the largest amount of any county in the State in the north and he is most certainly not a "RED" candidate, nope.

[RKP5637]

29. I should have left years ago, but believed in the American dream - Stupid me!!! n/t

[Alice11111]

54. I don't qualify for Canada. Wrong profession. Wrong age.

Obviously, I agree w him. This tax bill and the decisions of extreme RW judges won't end ehen we get a Dem again. Fed judges are lifetime appointments and their decisions become precedent. Many parts of theof the tax bill permanent. When there is no more room in the deficit to support them, it's take more from non rich workers. That is clearly the plan.

[RKP5637]

73. Yep, many don't get that the election of Dem again won't change some things. Millions in this

place called a country are fucked for the rest of their lives. So damn many Americans are clueless, naive and gullible, and frankly stupid. It's going to take a long time to clean up this country if ever. Sociopaths will still be elected by the Moron Majority.

[Alice11111]

74. Yep. It will help to elect Dems, but we still get a permanent

Disability from this accidental Prez and his team of mobsters. I agree that so many are so naive. They think people will see the light, vote Dem, and Happy times are here again. I suppose I would be happier if I were naive. Ignorance is bliss, until reality slaps you in the face.

I feel so powerless about it. Last night, I was calling Senators everywhere and leaving voicemails. What a waste of my time on a Friday night to closed offices. I was pissed that I couldn't get emails to my own senators, who are Dems. I wanted them to do something to delay the vote, or call attention to it, no matter how outrageous. Pile it up and burn it. Whatever, but protest, not just vote against it.

[oberliner]

10. The older generation are the ones who vote in the Republicans

Be better if the boomers moved away and the millenials stayed.

[DBoon]

53. Some boomers did move away

in the 1960s and 1970s, due to the Vietnam Era draft, estimated over 100,00:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1325339

[Alice11111]

55. Yes, their children and grandchildren populated Canada,

parts of it, together with other immigrants, many refugees from WWII.
We really should give the Statue of Liberty to Canada.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. Ain't only millenials. I'm almost 70 and intend to move all my

savings and investments out of the US. Then try to sell the house which will be hard without property tax deduction. Then I'm gone.
Too bad my sister's death delayed my plans a year.

[47of74]

16. Yeah I'd leave too tomorrow if I could

[RKP5637]

30. About the same age, I would be out of here too if I could. Decades ago I thought America

was making progress, but I will be long dead now before America gets its act together again, if ever. I'm afraid the damage we are seeing now is irreversible, and the dumb quotient for citizens seems to grow and grow. And the courts are being staffed with wackos.

[Alice11111]

57. Exactly

[Alice11111]

56. How? To where? Who will take you? Please educate me.

I want to leave too.

[alarimer]

13. I agree. Fuck this country.

Most Americans were not even aware of this bill. They can go fuck themselves. I am DONE caring about anything but doing what’s best for me. That includes leaving this shithole of a country. There is NOTHING good about it.

[47of74]

15. I second this.

[RKP5637]

32. Sadly, I have to agree. America is being flushed down the toilet. And the GOP plans to kill off

as many Americas as they can through financial ways and health ways. And it's become pointless to talk to those that think everything is great. It's a brain dead country.

[Alice11111]

58. 50pc or more brain dead and rapidly spreading.

[kydo]

14. No Kurt! The USA was killed on 11/08/2016

[smirkymonkey]

17. I would leave in a second if I could afford to.

I am thoroughly disgusted. There are just too many ignorant, hateful people in this country. Trump only brought them out of their hidey-holes.

[47of74]

19. I would have left November of last year if I could have.

[Alice11111]

59. Yes, but this is the fatal blow.

[RKP5637]

33. Trump has shown us what America is really made of, millions of hateful and ignorant people. Plus

ever so stupid. It's like when you're working for a company that you know is going to hell and you quit. Problem is, switching countries is not that easy.

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. Boomer here and I'd leave if I could financially afford to do so.

Sucks!

[Alice11111]

61. The problem is no one is taking people our age unless

you can show you will make a significant contribution to the country (promising start up, MD) or you are very wealthy and won't drain their economy . Plus,there is the healthcare problem.

[bdamomma]

22. Rich vs Poor

just wait, they will be sorry when they are thrown out on their asses. The Middle class is the backbone or was the backbone of this country why do they have such disdain for us????

All that our parents have done or did for us is for naught. We need to re-reenergize and take back what truthfully belongs to us. Damn the GOP.

[Canoe52]

49. Because the middle class jobs have moved to other countries, China etc.

The rich do not need us anymore to make them their billions. They are hanging us out to dry.

As far they are concerned, the US can go ahead and turn into a third world country now.

I do work for well off people and their attitude is why should their money go to SS, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps etc. one guy told me “if I can make millions, everybody should be able to”

[Alice11111]

62. They have sealed it for decades, even when we win.

[roamer65]

23. No one is going to escape the coming economic crash.

This bill will start an economic contraction. As the Federal Reserve throws trillions in cash into the markets in the futile attempt to stop it, hyperinflation will eventually be ignited. The unraveling of a reserve currency will have worldwide repercussions.

Negative interest rates, nor outright buying of equities by the Fed will stop the coming disaster.

[workinclasszero]

25. The Wall street casino will celebrate the looting of medicare and social security

Right up to the inevitable crash.

Partying like it's 1929! Yippee!

[RKP5637]

35. Exactly, we're going to go through the same old shit again, and getting out of it this

time won't be that easy. I think for millions and millions America is turning into a dystopia. I think there will also be major civil unrest as the clueless, finally, possibly, get a clue. And many will stand around and say, WTF, how did this happen. I get so damn disgusted, people ushering in what will destroy them.

[CountAllVotes]

26. I know of several millennials that voted for tRump

How do you explain that?

[RKP5637]

36. Gullible and naive. n/t

[CountAllVotes]

37. One of them is a married policeman

and he has two young children.

Plain stupid perhaps?

As for the others, they are of the white supremacist mindset and believe that Russians are good because they are "white".

These particular millennials are not educated people btw, they are the spawn of other pukes.

[Alea]

27. I have always thought that people that hate this country should move out.

I'll be staying and fighting.

[Jakes Progress]

34. The people who hate this country

just took over the government.

At least if you're gonna fight them, they will make sure you have the guns for it.

[CountAllVotes]

40. Talk is cheap

Everyone is saying they want to leave.

Where will they go?

No one likes Americans much these days and life in Ireland is not the answer. The problems abroad are just as big if not bigger than they are here in many respects.

Do not be fooled! Life is not a piece of cake elsewhere if you leave. It could well be much worse elsewhere and that is a fact as open arms are not there to greet and embrace any which one of us.

Sad state of affairs = the state of America these days!

[Kentonio]

44. Ireland is a lovely place to live. The weather isn't great, but the people are charming.

On the wider point, the problems abroad (if you're talking about Western Europe & Canada) aren't anywhere near as big as a the US. They don't have to worry about healthcare, they don't worry about gun violence, they don't have leaders who are openly racist and bigoted. This idea that things are worse elsewhere just don't stand up to analysis.

[CountAllVotes]

48. Ireland is a nightmare right now

Homeless people are in abundance and living on the streets sleeping in sleeping bags (if they are lucky enough to have one that is). The ruling gov't is very corrupt and many banks went bust and many lost everything (pensions, etc.) during the crash! Things are not improving. NO.

As for Europe as a whole, it cannot be addressed. You have over a dozen different countries and many of the people do not get along with one another and never have in this myriad of places.

I've traveled to many of these places in the past and fairly recently as well.

I have many friends living abroad so I hear it all and it is not all good, believe me! One Irish person I know that is a nurse recently left Ireland for a job in Dubai as there is no work for this person to be found in Ireland, none! Status before moving to Dubai was "broke". Period. Such is the story for far too many others.

No more help as it once was for the elderly (they used to take them to/from medical appts., got a good break on RX's, telephone for free, health care, etc.). It has been bought and sold basically.

Hello Angela Merkel, their new dictator!

They have plenty of racism and bigotry abroad. Do not be fooled!

[Kentonio]

52. What in the heavens are you talking about?

Ireland has a population of 4.8 million, and at last count has 8,492 homeless people. Does that sound like a national crisis to you? As for corruption, they just had their deputy PM resign over a police whistleblower scandal. Transparency International run a Corruption Index based on perceptions of corruption in all countries around the world. The US comes in as the 18th best country, Ireland 19th (out of 176). Incidentally 12 of the 17 countries better than the US on the index are European.

As for the rest about Ireland, it's just bizarre I'm afraid. Ireland has full public healthcare, unemployment as of October was 6.1% (an 8 year low, Ireland was hit badly by the financial crisis). There has never in modern times been a time when the elderly were not helped, or where the sick were not cared for. There's been a lot of worry and complaints about service cuts due to the financial crisis, but those services still remain far higher than most people in the US would expect.

As for the rest of Europe, that comment about Angela Merkel is frankly offensive. Merkel is a decent person and democratically elected. The people of Europe largely get along just fine, as my friends from maybe a dozen different European countries can confirm as I write this from France.

[Alice11111]

64. !!! Offensive comment about Merkel. She has been crunched

from all sides, and mostly still managed to d the right thing.
Lucky you, in France.

[CountAllVotes]

66. They plan to start charging for health care

Cost is over $2500 a year for a family.

It was once free but is not going to be free any longer if the politicians have their way!

Hospitals are filled with no empty places.

Need surgery? Wait for up to one year.

And no, I am not kidding.

I've got family over there and what I've been hearing is not so hot and almost all have left as is the history of Ireland it seems.

The era of the Celtic Tiger died several years ago.

I could live there myself if I cared to but the climate is too cold and no, they don't just "love" Americans these days. That sort of ended a long time ago and no, it is not France.

As for Merkel, no, they don't just love her over there. She wants to start up an EU Army and for a NEUTRAL country, this plan is going over like a pile of steaming shyte!

[Kentonio]

69. The stuff about healthcare can be a bit misleading

The UK has the same concerns (thanks to their asshole conservative government with their nonsensical 'austerity' policies), but you have to consider that long waiting times are bad, but the patients aren't paying for the treatment and the waiting times are usually highly unusual and heavily criticized. You can usually find examples of it happening, but what you'll never, ever find is cases where patients don't receive treatment because they can't afford it. They don't have cancer patients going bankrupt over healthcare costs, they don't have people fired because of illness, it's a very different world.

Re the EU army, a couple of points, firstly its still very much theoretical. It's something the EU would like to move ahead with as the threats from Russia increase, but even then they're talking about a seperate body and increasing cooperative training not the countries actually replacing their national armies. Considering they currently have 28 (soon to be 27) countries with largely different training and equipment, its a logical step and would be far more efficient. One of the main problems is that its not widely understood in Europe, and mistakenly seen as some desire for a more aggressive policy which isn't the concept at all.

It's also worth mentioning that a lot of the reason an EU army is even being discussed is because Europe is very quickly losing faith in America and its desire to work as an allied force to them. The damage Trump has done to US/European relations goes way beyond anything the American media have covered. Most people I know here look at America with sheer bewilderment now. Not just because Trump is president, but because they see half of voting Americans having voted for him and supporting him. That's difficult for them to understand, considering how utterly anathemic he is to European values.

[Alice11111]

63. At least many countries have moral values, like Canada.

[DBoon]

51. The country I was born into doesn't exist anymore

I haven't moved, the USA has moved away from me

[Alice11111]

65. Very true.

[tazkcmo]

28. Or maybe

Vote.

[Freethinker65]

31. I told my son he was lucky to get a decent public K thru 12 education. To finish college and get out

Get out of the country....(and with hope, take me with him!)

[RKP5637]

41. Smart move. IMO some really really stressful times are ahead for the US. I also wonder how long this

bubble of an economy is going to last.

[CountAllVotes]

43. Where are you going to go?

Where??

[Alea]

60. More importantly, will they want to return when the pendulum swings the other way?

Ever since the first President was elected, the pendulum started swinging. Reps voted out, Dems voted in. The pendulum keeps swinging and will swing back in our favor. I think many in our party mistakenly believed that it would never swing back to the other side, and when it did, some of us lost our minds. There will be another Democrat President and Congress. It's a mistake to think the pendulum will stop swinging once we get a majority.

There's a reason whoopi, joy, and all the others that actually could afford to move out of this country, didn't move out as they claimed they would. It's our home and it's worth fighting for, and overall, they like it here despite their claims they will move if they don't get their way politically.

So if we get another great leader like Obama, a majority in Congress, will they still want to leave? Will they still hate this country? Ask yourselves this. Are you going to let Trump cause/force you to leave this country? Not me. He isn't making me leave.

[Alice11111]

68. Misplaced optimism this time. Look at the lifetime judicial

appointments. Read the marked up Senate Bill. You think we have a god given destiny to outlast the Roman Empire?

Look at the facts.
Listen to our old allies.

[moondust]

45. Is a kleptocracy worth defending?

Plutocracy? Corporatocracy? Kakistocracy?

There are still some benefits of military service BUT...I wouldn't count on them still being around a few years from now given the course this country is on.

[shanny]

46. Already gone. Never coming back.

[area51]

47. I've been advocating

for quite awhile that anyone under the age of 40 should move to a 1st world country if possible; at least they'll get health care as a basic human right.

[Calculating]

50. yeah right...

Where do we get all the money to just 'move to another country' with? Are we supposed to just leave all of our friends and family behind? How do we get a successful job in a new country with no connections or understanding of the culture? What if we don't know any languages other than English? That kinda limits one to Canada, UK, etc. Also, a lot countries actually DO have strict immigration policies and don't just let anybody in.

[Initech]

67. No, the billionaires are completely out of control.

We elect democratic, and we can start kicking their asses to the curb! Trumps, DeVos, Kochs, Mercers, and Waltons are just a few who I'd like to see wearing orange jumpsuits!

[MineralMan]

82. Oh, Bother!

Fait Inachevé

[DangerousUrNot]

77. Money is ruining democracy!

[rock]

79. Since Nixon the US has been losing momentum for doing good

The more the Republicans fell out of favor and used illegitimate methods to maintain their political grip, the more the US tilted toward the dark side. As yet, I do not believe that Democracy is dead as it has a very strong resilience (although if we do recover, it will be at a very great price to all of society). I do believe that a great indicator of how Democracy is doing, will be the outcome from the Mueller investigation and wait patiently to see what that will be.

[McCamy Taylor]

84. Citizens United killed us. Back in 2010 I wrote the obituary for

Democracy in America.

DU has cleaned out their archives but you can still read it online at....Pravda? Good grief! I guess someone got the message.

http://pravda-constitution.blogspot.com/2010/02/mccamy-taylors-journal-democracy-in.html

[Skittles]

85. FUCK THAT, running like cowards

WE FIGHT FASCISM