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I'm a Depression historian ... the tax bill is straight out of 1929
Robert S. McElvaine
Washington: "There are two ideas of government," William Jennings Bryan declared in his 1896 "Cross of Gold" speech. "There are those who believe that if you will only legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea, however, has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous their prosperity will find its way up through every class which rests upon them."
That was more than three decades before the collapse of the economy in 1929. The crash followed a decade of Republican control of the federal government during which trickle-down policies, including massive tax cuts for the rich, produced the greatest concentration of income in the accounts of the richest 0.01 percent at any time between World War I and 2007 (when trickle-down economics, tax cuts for the hyper-rich and deregulation again resulted in another economic collapse).
Yet the plain fact that the trickle-down approach has never worked leaves Republicans unfazed. The GOP has been singing from the Market-is-God hymnal for well over a century, telling us that deregulation, tax cuts for the rich, and the concentration of ever more wealth in the bloated accounts of the richest people will result in prosperity for the rest of us. The party is now trying to pass a scam that throws a few crumbs to the middle class (temporarily - millions of middle-class Americans will soon see a tax hike if the bill is enacted) while heaping benefits on the super-rich, multiplying the national debt and endangering the American economy.
In 1926, Calvin Coolidge's treasury secretary, Andrew Mellon, one of the world's richest men, pushed through a massive tax cut that would substantially contribute to the causes of the Great Depression. Republican Senator George Norris of Nebraska said that Mellon himself would reap from the tax bill "a larger personal reduction [in taxes] than the aggregate of practically all the taxpayers in the state of Nebraska". The same is true now of Donald Trump, the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson and other fabulously rich people.
During the 1920s, Republicans almost literally worshiped business. "The business of America," Coolidge proclaimed, "is business." Coolidge also remarked that "the man who builds a factory builds a temple" and "the man who works there worships there". That faith in the Market as God has been the Republican religion ever since. A few months after he became president in 1981, Ronald Reagan praised Coolidge for cutting "taxes four times" and said "we had probably the greatest growth in prosperity that we've ever known." Reagan said nothing about what happened to "Coolidge Prosperity" a few months after he left office.
In 1932, in the depths of the Great Depression, Franklin D. Roosevelt called for "bold, persistent experimentation" and said: "It is common sense to take a method and try it; if it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something." The contrasting position of Republicans then and now is: Take the method and try it. If it fails, deny its failure and try it again. And again. And again.
When Bill Clinton proposed a modest increase in the top marginal tax rate in his 1993 budget, every Republican voted against it. Trickle-down economists proclaimed that it would lead to economic disaster. But the tax increase on the wealthy was followed by one of the greatest periods of prosperity in American history and resulted in a budget surplus. When the Republicans came back into power in 2001, the administration of George W. Bush pushed the opposite policies, which had invariably produced calamity in the past. Predictably, that happened again in 2008.
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SamKnause
(13,107 posts)Too bad facts and truth have no bearing in 2017.
If they did, we wouldn't be in this mess.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)Trump's America - meet the Great Depression Part II.
You made this happen and you brought it on all of us by voting for this asshole. You voted for Republicans in the House and Senate, even though they've pledged to take our money and give it to the extremely wealthy people who DON'T deserve it - they just don't want us to have it.
onetexan
(13,041 posts)doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)The Reagan conservatives never believed in trickle down economics, but they had to call it something that would be acceptable to the media and the liberals. David Stockman, Reagan's economic advisor who invented the term, wrote a book and said they were laughing behind closed doors, thinking that nobody would ever believe it. It was just PR spin and nothing else, to justify the huge transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in the 1980's.
Of course that's why we have so many one-percenters now, they all got extremely wealthy during the Reagan years. They're extremely right-wing as well because, ... greed.
madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)The economy of the United States is much like the concept of Samsara in Buddhism, it is an endless cycle of despair that goes round and round. Republicans come in with their tax cuts, the economy crashes, Democrats fix it and the economy improves, the electorate gets amnesia and forgets and finds petty reasons to elect another republican. Then there are new tax cuts and it starts all over again.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)This is part of the story, they blame us, the liberals. The dumbasses in this country buy it, every time.
JHB
(37,160 posts)...and an audience who are too blinkered to tell the difference between cow pies and whoopie pies.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)meaning, no one will be able to deny that it is a DEPRESSION and not a severe recession.
The economy will take a huge dive, Republicans will refuse to engage in the necessary measures to stabilize things, and we'll either get another FDR or (ugh) a much smarter, much more devious version of Trump who pushes us even further to the right.
With the stock market reaching all-time highs, it does get me a tad worried what comes next.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)We came close in 1932. This time we wont avoid it.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)lesson coming. If plenty of guns and concentration of wealth in a few hands worked, Somalia would be heaven.
Farmer-Rick
(10,175 posts)About 10 years ago (I've searched but can't seem to find the study) a study came out showing that when the top tax rate drops below 50%, the economy tends to faulter and even crash. Thom Hartmann use to quote it a lot.
We can expect an economic crash in 4 years or less because of this bill. It can take longer but because so much wealth is being hoarded by the uber rich right now, The crash will come sooner.
Think about it. This tax bill takes money out of the government and gives it to people who are already hoarding money. Most of the money was going to the poor and was being circulated throughout the economy. Now these people who are already hoarding, are getting more money to HOARD. You are basically removing $1 trillion+ wealth that has been circulating throughout the economy and putting it aside in tax havens and off shore accounts. It's bound to impact the economy in a negative way.
Here's hoping you have your money in a safe place. The banks are already looking at deposits as investments to pull from when they are failing. I'm thinking about under my matress.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Rates on the very rich went back up into the 70-90% range from the 1930s to the 1980s. As a result, the economy grew steadily; for the first time in the history of our nation we went 50 years without a crash or major bank failure; and working people's wages increased enough to produce the strongest middle class this nation has ever seen.
Then came Reaganomics.
Reagan cut top marginal rates on millionaires and billionaires from 74% down to 38% and there was an immediate surge in the markets - followed by the worst crash since the Great Depression and the failure of virtually the entire nation's savings and loan banking system.
Farmer-Rick
(10,175 posts)I should have looked at Thoms web site....duh
But thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been looking for the study for a couple of weeks.
AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)to destroy America as we have known it. It has been their intention for decades. The current corrupt climate has enabled them to kick it up a notch and be blatant in their actions.
Republicans are a domestic threat just like Trump.
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)FDIC?---A bank fails and you lose all your money that's just business
OSHA?---Tough shit if you get hurt at work
Overtime?---eh...your LUCKY to have a job pal
Pollution?---No worry,the earth cleans itself
Truth in lending---if your stupid enough not to bring a lawyer to read the loan agreement then.......
And a thousand more after those.......
steve2470
(37,457 posts)there were almost NO regulations on business. When I've read what happened to people and workers back then, it's really sad. Like you said, the attitude was, tough shit, you were stupid or careless or evil or lazy or (fill in the blank), so you got what you deserved. The rich were "God's anointed" (or some such bullshit).
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)The small number of rich at the top, the masses of poor at the bottom. If you give money to the rich, it will magically flow down to the masses, they say. Except that it doesn't work that way. The pyramid is upside down, it works more like a toilet bowl. If you give money to the poor at the top, it will flow down to the rich at the bottom, by being spent. The profits of those purchases eventually go to the rich. Greed is gravity, causing a flow downwards to the rich. "Trickle down" works in a toilet bowl.
For a pyramid example to work, money would have to be helium, floating up to the rich. It NEVER trickles down is a pyramid.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Their victory is going to be short lived.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)They are intentionally trying to economically cripple this nation. Destroy the social safety net and leave every citizen at the mercy of the robber barons of the world. If we don't stand up now, we can say hello to oligarchy.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)We as Democrats have been saving the country from itself since the Great Depression. It is about time the over 40 year old crowd and socalled young conservatives and poor rural people get a tast of what they consistently vote for. Time after time, we as Democrats have prevented the country from getting run over by a train and what we get for it is called names, lied about, sent into minority status. Time for soup lines and rich people being afraid to step outside their doors, maybe after that happens, real progress can be made.
I am one that says that the New Deal was weak because it totally left out Blacks and American Indians (the only national minorities at that time). But, that being said, the New Deal happened because people suffered badly and were open to more progressive policies.