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When Obama Won I Thought Our Darkest Days Were Over After Bush. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Dec 2017 OP
this is beyond imagining HAB911 Dec 2017 #1
So did I Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #2
This is one of the most difficult things to AmericanActivist Dec 2017 #3
Little did we know McConnell and the GOP held a meeting Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #4
Ruthless now is better than civil war later - n/t lapfog_1 Dec 2017 #6
I *knew* all the republican obstruction was NOT about *Obama* even no_hypocrisy Dec 2017 #8
Sometimes I wonder lapfog_1 Dec 2017 #5
And I dream that RFK had not been murdered in 1968 Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #7
And if the producer of the Apprentice gave trump that "raise" he wanted FM123 Dec 2017 #9
It would all have been different if JFK hadn't been murdered.. whathehell Dec 2017 #10
Lesson learned Soxfan58 Dec 2017 #11
Americans seem to forget history even recent history. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #12

AmericanActivist

(1,019 posts)
3. This is one of the most difficult things to
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:13 AM
Dec 2017

come to terms with. I haven’t been able to get past it yet. The devastating, crushing heaviness of this concept is beyond comprehension. I too thought we barely survived W & Darth Cheney and that with President Obama that darkness was behind us;something we would be working to clean up and overcome for years. And then...

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
4. Little did we know McConnell and the GOP held a meeting
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:13 AM
Dec 2017

before the Obama administration even began to ruin his presidency. Their crowning achievement was to deny Marick Garland' Supreme Court nomination.

People often hit me a here on DU for daring to be critical of the Democratic Party. When you look at who we're up against, is it wrong to want Democrats to be ruthless (within the law) to beat these evil traitors?

no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
8. I *knew* all the republican obstruction was NOT about *Obama* even
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:20 AM
Dec 2017

though that was the underlying republican meme.

I knew they had their own agenda and they would ramp up their destruction once Obama left office.

It's about destroying democrats and democracy, not about a biracial president who had the temerity to run and win two terms in office.

Republicans are now empowered with passing the Tax Reform bill.

Think of what else they're planning to shove through the chambers.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
5. Sometimes I wonder
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:14 AM
Dec 2017

If Hillary had won the primary in 2008...

Would she have picked Obama to be her VP?

Had she picked him, would he have run and won in 2016 against Jeb or Ted?

But then I wonder if Hillary was not able to defeat McCain...

And we might now have Sarah Palin as President?

And if that happened we would be right where we are now...

I really wish there were an infinite number of alternative universes that we could observe and see the results of the paths not taken.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
7. And I dream that RFK had not been murdered in 1968
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:19 AM
Dec 2017

and won the presidency, it all would have been so much different. No Nixon, Vietnam ended sooner, No Watergate, no Reagan Revolution and the crazy conservative nightmare we've all had to lived through....

FM123

(10,053 posts)
9. And if the producer of the Apprentice gave trump that "raise" he wanted
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:42 AM
Dec 2017

perhaps he would have just stayed on TV. I remember a Guardian article by Michael Moore that said Trump only ran to leverage more money from NBC. I wish they just gave it to him right then and there.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
10. It would all have been different if JFK hadn't been murdered..
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:43 AM
Dec 2017

Vietnam expanded under Johnson. JFK wanted to draw it down.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
12. Americans seem to forget history even recent history.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 10:00 AM
Dec 2017

I don't get how people can see how badly the Republicans govern and then say "well let's give them another shot." A big part of it is the power of misinformation via the usual suspects (Fox News, talk radio, right-wing websites) plus ignorance and apathy. A lot of people don't care about politics very much so they hear "tax cuts" and think "I want lower taxes, that sounds good." I know plenty of Republicans who are like this. They don't really follow politics but just like the idea of tax cuts so they vote GOP. Then you have the racial and other culture war angles which is another piece of the puzzle.

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