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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:05 AM Nov 2017

Whenever I hear a minority defending Donald Trump and his actions, I'm reminded of Max Naumann

<snip>In 1934 the group made the following statement:

"We have always held the well-being of the German people and the fatherland, to which we feel inextricably linked, above our own well-being. Thus we greeted the results of January, 1933, even though it has brought hardship for us personally."

A possible reason why some German Jews supported Hitler may have been that they thought that his antisemitism only was for the purpose of "stirring up the masses".

The seemingly ironic fact that a Jewish association advocated loyalty to the Nazi programme gave rise to a contemporary joke about Naumann and his followers ending their meeting by giving the Nazi salute and shouting "Down With Us!".

Despite their extreme patriotism, the German government did not accept their goal of assimilation. The Association of German National Jews was declared illegal and dissolved on 18 November 1935. Max Naumann, was arrested by the Gestapo the same day and imprisoned at the Columbia concentration camp.<snip>


Link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

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Whenever I hear a minority defending Donald Trump and his actions, I'm reminded of Max Naumann (Original Post) louis c Nov 2017 OP
Whenever you have an authoritarian President and/or COLGATE4 Nov 2017 #1
A minority? loyalsister Nov 2017 #2
All minorities have both liberals and conservatives, also extremists Hortensis Nov 2017 #3
To support a leader who has targeted the group you are associated with louis c Nov 2017 #4

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
1. Whenever you have an authoritarian President and/or
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:22 AM
Nov 2017

controlling political party undertaking discriminatory actions there is always a group of wishful thinkers (who are members of the group being discriminated against) that valiantly attempts to 'explain' away those actions as 'only being for show'. History has unfortunately proven these wishful thinkers tragically wrong. I believe that we are seeing much the same phenomenon with Trump.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
2. A minority?
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:45 PM
Nov 2017

It sounds like you are referring to people who are not white, Christian, heterosexual, nondisabled men. They all have their own histories, cultures, and identities. It's good to be specific.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. All minorities have both liberals and conservatives, also extremists
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:52 PM
Nov 2017

from both left and right. I don't have to look up Naumann to guess from his behavior that he would have been strongly to extremely conservative, right-wing extremist, or left wing extremist.

Liberal is ruled out. They were the anti-Nazis.

The National Socialist German Workers (Nazi) Party was an archconservative politically. But when seeking power, they wooed extremists from both left and right. Extremists from both sides have a great deal in common and mean real trouble when bad leaders unite them long enough to destroy a nation.

Something for us to watch out for in these troubled times. Political scientists say extremism is on the rise in America -- on both right and left.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
4. To support a leader who has targeted the group you are associated with
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 01:11 PM
Nov 2017

is insane.

During the election of 1932 AND 1933, Hitler had already written "Mein Kampf", so the future was already spelled out for the German Jews.

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