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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBoom! From Newsweek---Mueller after Trump:
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And the info sharing between Trump and Flynn also a scandal.
"The information sharing between President Donald Trump's legal team and that of former national security advisor Michael Flynn has been a 'scandal', as well as 'ethically dubious' and could be construed as a form of 'WITNESS TAMPERING', (emphasis mine) according to a top legal expert."
What's the minimum sentence for witness tampering?
But but but--Al Franken!!!1111!!!11!
shanny
(6,709 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)How long have they been conspiring to obstruct justice? How many records does Mueller have of that, now that Flynn has apparently flipped?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)He "flips" and signs an agreement for clemency from Meuller for his witness. And meanwhile secretly has been informing Trump's lawyers everything he is going to say in order for them to be as best prepared as possible.
Ligyron
(7,632 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Feed 'em misleading info, or something that would definitely be illegal for Turd to hear about. When he uses it, nail him.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)or just bad publicity? It is never clear reading the news.
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)AKA treason.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Its the cover up.
And while talking to Russians isnt illegal in and of itself, its a violation of campaign finance laws, for instance. False reporting to the FEC, knowingly coordinating and taking illegal donations, stuff like that.
Beyond that, Trumps campaign chairman was heavily involved in money laundering for the Russian mob and was involved with the campaign daily through the transition, while under surveillance under the authority for hunting SPIES.
If Trump or his team knew Flynn or Manafort was a criminal and they had to have known thats fifteen felonies right there.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)They may convict on the coverup, but the base crime is still a crime.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Politico had a pretty good story on it.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366
Paul Rosenzweig is former deputy assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security and founder of Red Branch Consulting.
Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using collusion as a short-hand for criminality. But that doesnt mean that the alleged cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia is of no criminal interest. To the contrary, if true, it may have violated any number of criminal prohibitions.
I'm hoping the next time we have the majorities and Presidency that we fix this.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)And who knows what the tax returns show-- or what he left off them.
HootieMcBoob
(3,823 posts)I've been wondering if that's something that has already happened or would we have heard about it already? If it hasn't happened yet is it expected to happen at any time? Can the return be subpoenaed?
azureblue
(2,146 posts)money laundering. Trump, borrowed from the Russians when he got into financial trouble, and the Russians set up a scheme to launder money through Trump's (and his cohorts) real estate purchases and sales. It's all right there, down to the free office space Trump gave to the Russians in Trump Tower, The collusion to throw a US election is just an extension of that. Once Putin got his hooks into Trump, the gate was thrown open. Yes, it is the denial and lies that will get him.
I fully expect Trump to react like Mussolini -"how dare you question me, you little man, you!" What will bring Trump down is his ability to lie about anything. He thinks he is so smart, that he will be able to lie his way out of this, as he always has. He thinks he above it all. He is so arrogant that he will ignore his attorneys' advice and babble away, thus convicting himself.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)team, it strikes me how decent they all look. It must be difficult for honest, decent people to get their hands dirty in the slime that surrounds this administration. Even with their vast legal experience, I would bet they have NEVER investigated anything as downright unethical and dirty as the crew in the WH right now. They make the Mafia look like choirboys.
PNW-Dem
(244 posts)Trump is probably dirty and would have gotten away with a lot of illegal business transactions if he hadnt invited scrutiny (i.e. being elected president). How many other business acquaintances does Trump have like Felix Sater? I think that Trump will be nailed on other crimes that are uncovered like wire fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, etc.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)The possibility of collusion or conspiracy with regard to the election is not the only potentially criminal conduct being investigated.
When person A pays or does a favor for person B, it can be part of an exchange. So whether the payment or favor is criminal depends on what is paid, the favor done, whether there was an exchange, whether all aspects of the deal were legal.
So it all depends. And that is why Mueller and at least two congressional committees are investigating the relationship between people who worked on the Trump campaign and "the Russians."
Unfortunately, we keep referring to "the Russians" as if this was about Russia, the country. It may concern the leadership and some of the oligarchs in Russia, but it really isn't about the Russian people or Russia as a country any more than it is about the United States as a country or "the Americans."
It's about a) whether a crime was committed, and b) what we can do to insure the security of our election system.
We can't have a functioning democracy if people from other countries can interfere in our elections as "the Russians" are alleged to have done in 2016.
Time and Mueller's investigation (as well as those in Congress) will tell.
eShirl
(18,491 posts)I hope Rachel is on tonight to explain it
shanny
(6,709 posts)Info sharing would be totally normal between co-defendants...until one of them flips.
malaise
(268,998 posts)Good news
Takket
(21,568 posts)LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Maybe Ty Cobb was right. It was over on Thanksgiving when it was clear that Flynn had flipped on the dotard boss.
Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)his Smurf balls and Tinkertoys.
Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)Beartracks
(12,814 posts)Still says "Trump and Mueller"...
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Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Beartracks
(12,814 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)to share info between them, coordinate strategy, etc. UNTIL a conflict of interest arises...as it would if one flips and turns state's evidence in return for reduced charges.
How telling that Flynn's lawyers just did that.
Takket
(21,568 posts)i was hoping that by Christmas we would all have a great present under the tree..... still hoping Mueller will have all the charges he needs by then.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)disgusting.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)That Mr. Mueller does not travel by small aircraft. Nor on lonely, isolated roadways.
That he has 24/7 personal protection.
And that other safeguards are in place!
Not only against domestic threats, but also - and especially - against foreign (i.e. ex-KGB) agents. Vlad and his fellow kleptocrats worked hard to cultivate the Mangled Apricot Hellbeast, and theyre about to see these efforts exposed, their mole arraigned and prosecuted, despite their meticulously crafted Kompromat. Theyre not likely to take news like this lying down.
Nor are some elements of Cult-45!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)... when, we hope, Ryan will no longer be speaker and the GOP will no longer be the majority.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The wheels of justice don't come with political speed controls.
calimary
(81,267 posts)That's my fondest wish, also.
That we take back both Houses of Congress and a few more state legislatures too.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)of his life tweeting about resigning because of fake news.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Vinca
(50,271 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Complete with a Virgin candle.
The Blessed Virgin must hate Trump.
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)From the time he was head of the Defense Intelligence to being something or other, that Jared didn't want, with the Trump administration, his behavior has been traitorous. Maybe Mueller offered him life instead of the death penalty.
These people are serious criminals and have sold off our country's secrets to Putin for money, fame and power.
Ligyron
(7,632 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)all over his face! He has those beady eyes, small stature, and nervous behavior.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Well, Donny Two Scoops, that horse don't ride no more.
spanone
(135,832 posts)trump has left a slime trail throughout his life...
"The information sharing between President Donald Trump's legal team and that of former national security advisor Michael Flynn has been a 'scandal', as well as 'ethically dubious' and could be construed as a form of 'WITNESS TAMPERING', (emphasis mine) according to a top legal expert.
orangecrush
(19,555 posts)Comin' for the Russian agent!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)orangecrush
(19,555 posts)it's camouflage!