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Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 05:09 PM Nov 2017

Boom! From Newsweek---Mueller after Trump:




And the info sharing between Trump and Flynn also a scandal.

"The information sharing between President Donald Trump's legal team and that of former national security advisor Michael Flynn has been a 'scandal', as well as 'ethically dubious' and could be construed as a form of 'WITNESS TAMPERING', (emphasis mine) according to a top legal expert."

What's the minimum sentence for witness tampering?

But but but--Al Franken!!!1111!!!11!
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Boom! From Newsweek---Mueller after Trump: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Nov 2017 OP
info sharing between Trump and Mueller...? wot? shanny Nov 2017 #1
That was my reaction - we learned about it when it STOPPED? lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #3
I can totally see that LiberalLovinLug Nov 2017 #12
There are ways to play them on that as well. Ligyron Nov 2017 #43
That 4D chess thing. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #56
Is election collusion with Russia a crime? quartz007 Nov 2017 #4
crime mercuryblues Nov 2017 #17
Its not the crime Nevernose Nov 2017 #19
It's a crime. Don't deny it. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #28
It should be, but collusion itself isn't. Amimnoch Nov 2017 #40
Abso-fuckin-lutely!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #52
Trump was probably laundering money also dawg day Nov 2017 #32
Is it possible that Mueller has already gotten Trump's tax returns? HootieMcBoob Nov 2017 #33
True - the crime is azureblue Nov 2017 #46
When I see Mueller and his Scarsdale Nov 2017 #47
I dont think collusion matters any more PNW-Dem Nov 2017 #48
Whether it is or not, side-deals could be criminal. Sophia4 Nov 2017 #49
I thought it was Trump and Flynn eShirl Nov 2017 #5
I think it was just a mistake in the OP: I'm sure it is Trump and Flynn. shanny Nov 2017 #23
Duh! malaise Nov 2017 #2
must be a mistake. drumpfs lawyer said drumpf was not a target! Takket Nov 2017 #6
And it will be over by yesterday! dawg day Nov 2017 #30
I think they mean the sharing between Trump and Flynn. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #7
Exactly. And it could be witness tampering. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #8
Right. I wonder if Trump has any inkling of the trouble he is in? nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #10
Staff is distracting him with NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #27
Football players and golf too. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #29
Might want to change that statement in your OP title... Beartracks Nov 2017 #13
Got it. Thanks. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #14
Whoops, I said Title, but you got it! Beartracks Nov 2017 #16
It is common for attorneys for clients who are, say, both targets of an investigation shanny Nov 2017 #22
When manafort went down a few weeks ago........... Takket Nov 2017 #9
republicans are running a criminal-traitorous cabal from the white house Achilleaze Nov 2017 #11
Mueller would be one hell of a poker player njhoneybadger Nov 2017 #15
Please tell me... Fritz Walter Nov 2017 #25
Obstruction of Justice is a slam dunk at thius point. The cover-up that gets the sanctimonious. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #18
you really think Ryan will let that come to a vote in the house?????? Cryptoad Nov 2017 #20
Will have to stall until Jan 2019 dawg day Nov 2017 #31
hear here! Cryptoad Nov 2017 #34
We never have to stall when justice requires action. To stall would be an injustice and a crime too L. Coyote Nov 2017 #36
Welcome to DU, dawg day! calimary Nov 2017 #45
Yes. If it goes that far. But, Trump is likelier to resign, go home, and spend the rest L. Coyote Nov 2017 #35
I like it,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2017 #37
I swear I'm going to create a Mueller shrine and start burning candles and saying prayers. Vinca Nov 2017 #21
Can't wait to see that photo. A la Mejico, I hope. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #38
... orangecrush Nov 2017 #42
Flynn has clearly been acting as a traitor to the US Farmer-Rick Nov 2017 #24
Welcome to DU! Ligyron Nov 2017 #44
Thanks, I'm glad to be here. Farmer-Rick Nov 2017 #55
Flynn has "crook" written quartz007 Nov 2017 #50
Remember how much Trump wanted Comey to make a public statement he wasn't a target? Mr. Ected Nov 2017 #26
I'll bet Mueller was stunned when he looked into trumps dealings....must be one rancid nest. spanone Nov 2017 #39
BOOYAH! orangecrush Nov 2017 #41
Orange will look good on the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #53
for him orangecrush Nov 2017 #54
Izzat the same Newsweek that got panned for predicting Sanders would run against Trump? Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #51

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. That was my reaction - we learned about it when it STOPPED?
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 05:17 PM
Nov 2017

How long have they been conspiring to obstruct justice? How many records does Mueller have of that, now that Flynn has apparently flipped?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
12. I can totally see that
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 05:46 PM
Nov 2017

He "flips" and signs an agreement for clemency from Meuller for his witness. And meanwhile secretly has been informing Trump's lawyers everything he is going to say in order for them to be as best prepared as possible.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
56. That 4D chess thing.
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 12:59 PM
Nov 2017

Feed 'em misleading info, or something that would definitely be illegal for Turd to hear about. When he uses it, nail him.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
4. Is election collusion with Russia a crime?
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 05:20 PM
Nov 2017

or just bad publicity? It is never clear reading the news.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
19. Its not the crime
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 06:05 PM
Nov 2017

It’s the cover up.

And while talking to Russians isn’t illegal in and of itself, it’s a violation of campaign finance laws, for instance. False reporting to the FEC, knowingly coordinating and taking illegal donations, stuff like that.

Beyond that, Trump’s campaign chairman was heavily involved in money laundering for the Russian mob — and was involved with the campaign daily through the transition, while under surveillance under the authority for hunting SPIES.

If Trump or his team knew Flynn or Manafort was a criminal — and they had to have known — that’s fifteen felonies right there.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
40. It should be, but collusion itself isn't.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:28 PM
Nov 2017

Politico had a pretty good story on it.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366

‘Stop using “collusion” as a short-hand for criminality’
Paul Rosenzweig is former deputy assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security and founder of Red Branch Consulting.

Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using “collusion” as a short-hand for criminality. But that doesn’t mean that the alleged cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia is of no criminal interest. To the contrary, if true, it may have violated any number of criminal prohibitions.


I'm hoping the next time we have the majorities and Presidency that we fix this.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
32. Trump was probably laundering money also
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 06:58 PM
Nov 2017

And who knows what the tax returns show-- or what he left off them.

HootieMcBoob

(3,823 posts)
33. Is it possible that Mueller has already gotten Trump's tax returns?
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:12 PM
Nov 2017

I've been wondering if that's something that has already happened or would we have heard about it already? If it hasn't happened yet is it expected to happen at any time? Can the return be subpoenaed?

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
46. True - the crime is
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:07 PM
Nov 2017

money laundering. Trump, borrowed from the Russians when he got into financial trouble, and the Russians set up a scheme to launder money through Trump's (and his cohorts) real estate purchases and sales. It's all right there, down to the free office space Trump gave to the Russians in Trump Tower, The collusion to throw a US election is just an extension of that. Once Putin got his hooks into Trump, the gate was thrown open. Yes, it is the denial and lies that will get him.

I fully expect Trump to react like Mussolini -"how dare you question me, you little man, you!" What will bring Trump down is his ability to lie about anything. He thinks he is so smart, that he will be able to lie his way out of this, as he always has. He thinks he above it all. He is so arrogant that he will ignore his attorneys' advice and babble away, thus convicting himself.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
47. When I see Mueller and his
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 01:39 PM
Nov 2017

team, it strikes me how decent they all look. It must be difficult for honest, decent people to get their hands dirty in the slime that surrounds this administration. Even with their vast legal experience, I would bet they have NEVER investigated anything as downright unethical and dirty as the crew in the WH right now. They make the Mafia look like choirboys.

PNW-Dem

(244 posts)
48. I dont think collusion matters any more
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 02:19 PM
Nov 2017

Trump is probably dirty and would have gotten away with a lot of illegal business transactions if he hadn’t invited scrutiny (i.e. being elected president). How many other business acquaintances does Trump have like Felix Sater? I think that Trump will be nailed on other crimes that are uncovered like wire fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, etc.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
49. Whether it is or not, side-deals could be criminal.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 06:47 PM
Nov 2017

The possibility of collusion or conspiracy with regard to the election is not the only potentially criminal conduct being investigated.

When person A pays or does a favor for person B, it can be part of an exchange. So whether the payment or favor is criminal depends on what is paid, the favor done, whether there was an exchange, whether all aspects of the deal were legal.

So it all depends. And that is why Mueller and at least two congressional committees are investigating the relationship between people who worked on the Trump campaign and "the Russians."

Unfortunately, we keep referring to "the Russians" as if this was about Russia, the country. It may concern the leadership and some of the oligarchs in Russia, but it really isn't about the Russian people or Russia as a country any more than it is about the United States as a country or "the Americans."

It's about a) whether a crime was committed, and b) what we can do to insure the security of our election system.

We can't have a functioning democracy if people from other countries can interfere in our elections as "the Russians" are alleged to have done in 2016.

Time and Mueller's investigation (as well as those in Congress) will tell.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
23. I think it was just a mistake in the OP: I'm sure it is Trump and Flynn.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 06:28 PM
Nov 2017

Info sharing would be totally normal between co-defendants...until one of them flips.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
30. And it will be over by yesterday!
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 06:54 PM
Nov 2017

Maybe Ty Cobb was right. It was over on Thanksgiving when it was clear that Flynn had flipped on the dotard boss.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
22. It is common for attorneys for clients who are, say, both targets of an investigation
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 06:25 PM
Nov 2017

to share info between them, coordinate strategy, etc. UNTIL a conflict of interest arises...as it would if one flips and turns state's evidence in return for reduced charges.

How telling that Flynn's lawyers just did that.

Takket

(21,568 posts)
9. When manafort went down a few weeks ago...........
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 05:29 PM
Nov 2017

i was hoping that by Christmas we would all have a great present under the tree..... still hoping Mueller will have all the charges he needs by then.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
25. Please tell me...
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 06:43 PM
Nov 2017

That Mr. Mueller does not travel by small aircraft. Nor on lonely, isolated roadways.
That he has 24/7 personal protection.
And that other safeguards are in place!

Not only against domestic threats, but also - and especially - against foreign (i.e. ex-KGB) agents. Vlad and his fellow kleptocrats worked hard to cultivate the Mangled Apricot Hellbeast, and they’re about to see these efforts exposed, their mole arraigned and prosecuted, despite their meticulously crafted Kompromat. They’re not likely to take news like this lying down.
Nor are some elements of Cult-45!

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
31. Will have to stall until Jan 2019
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 06:55 PM
Nov 2017

... when, we hope, Ryan will no longer be speaker and the GOP will no longer be the majority.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
36. We never have to stall when justice requires action. To stall would be an injustice and a crime too
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:15 PM
Nov 2017

The wheels of justice don't come with political speed controls.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
45. Welcome to DU, dawg day!
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 08:06 PM
Nov 2017

That's my fondest wish, also.

That we take back both Houses of Congress and a few more state legislatures too.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
35. Yes. If it goes that far. But, Trump is likelier to resign, go home, and spend the rest
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:14 PM
Nov 2017

of his life tweeting about resigning because of fake news.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
38. Can't wait to see that photo. A la Mejico, I hope.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:18 PM
Nov 2017

Complete with a Virgin candle.
The Blessed Virgin must hate Trump.

Farmer-Rick

(10,170 posts)
24. Flynn has clearly been acting as a traitor to the US
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 06:42 PM
Nov 2017

From the time he was head of the Defense Intelligence to being something or other, that Jared didn't want, with the Trump administration, his behavior has been traitorous. Maybe Mueller offered him life instead of the death penalty.

These people are serious criminals and have sold off our country's secrets to Putin for money, fame and power.



 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
50. Flynn has "crook" written
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:27 PM
Nov 2017

all over his face! He has those beady eyes, small stature, and nervous behavior.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
26. Remember how much Trump wanted Comey to make a public statement he wasn't a target?
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 06:44 PM
Nov 2017

Well, Donny Two Scoops, that horse don't ride no more.

spanone

(135,832 posts)
39. I'll bet Mueller was stunned when he looked into trumps dealings....must be one rancid nest.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:20 PM
Nov 2017

trump has left a slime trail throughout his life...


"The information sharing between President Donald Trump's legal team and that of former national security advisor Michael Flynn has been a 'scandal', as well as 'ethically dubious' and could be construed as a form of 'WITNESS TAMPERING', (emphasis mine) according to a top legal expert.

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