Theory: Flynn Lawyers' Move Could be Signal to Trump

[louis c]

Here's my theory. Technically, the lawyers for both Flynn, Flynn Jr. and Trump cannot make a deal that would result in an obstruction of justice charge. Flynn, or his lawyers, can't say "If you don't pardon me and my son, Mr. president, I'll spill the beans." By the same token, Trump, or his lawyers, can't say "If you keep your fucking mouth shut, you and your son don't have to worry, the President will grant you a pardon." Both scenarios are blatantly illegal.

However, it is perfectly legal to enter into an agreement for a common defense by Flynn's Lawyers and Trump's lawyers. By ending that agreement, any idiot would know that cooperation is at least a possibility. My interpretation is, by this legal action, that Flynn is essentially telling Trump, "I want that fucking pardon now for anything I may have done at any time in my life, and the same for my son. If I don't get it right now, you're fucked".

That's my interpretation, for what it's worth.

[Cicada]

1. Isnt attempted kidnapping a state crime?

Flynn and his son may be at risk for state charges so a Trump pardon may be less valuable than a plea bargain with Mueller which includes leniency from state(s).

But I still think Trump should be voted out rather than perp walked out. We need his voters to accept the legitimacy of his removal from office.

[pbmus]

3. I do not need Big Con voters to accept anything..

In my opinion they are deplorable in as many ways and more than Hillary or any of us could ever know...

[Cicada]

4. Poking a stick in a hornets nest is not wise

I agree, hornets are jerks. But stirring them up is still a bad idea.

We need them to go to sleep, not go insane.

[Irish_Dem]

9. That is why a deal is going to have to be cut with Trump so he resigns.

A deal with immunity and money, a face saving out.

[Cicada]

11. That sounds good

[Irish_Dem]

12. Wish he would go to prison, but that is unlikely. nt

[Cicada]

13. President to prison has slippery slope problem

Sending Hillary to prison has political appeal to Republicans. Sending Trump to prison has political appeal to Democrats. If we start sending Presidents to prison many people with unconventional ideas will be afraid to run. We should be very very slow to jail our political opponents. It will almost surely lead to harm to democracy.

[Irish_Dem]

14. Yes exactly, that leaves us with cutting him a deal.

Like when Goldwater walked up the Hill and had a talk with Nixon.
Only Trump is far more dangerous and will need careful handling.

[Irish_Dem]

2. So maybe Flynn has not yet cut a deal with Mueller, but is threatening Trump

that he will soon if he doesn't get a pardon?

So Mueller must be squeezing Flynn and son hard?

Whether Flynn has already cut a deal or is threatening to do so, neither option is good for Trump?

[louis c]

8. thanks, you grasp my point (NT)

[pnwmom]

5. But DT can't pardon him for NY crimes. So DT is fucked no matter what. n/t

[ProudLib72]

6. Could they sweeten the deal by forgiving the NY crimes?

As part of a plea bargain for cooperating. Or even a shorter sentence. They could make it worth his while to squeal. That is if Mueller is working that closely with Schneiderman.

[pnwmom]

7. Yes, with Schneiderman's cooperation. n/t

[rufus dog]

10. As stated on this thread he can't do anything about State charges AND

there is a question if tRump can even pardon them if it is an attempt to stop investigations into him.