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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:55 AM Nov 2017

'Jared will flip like a pancake' on Trump after Flynn gives him up, predicts Obama's ethics czar

TRAVIS GETTYS
24 NOV 2017 AT 10:18 ET

Mike Flynn looks to be cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation — and that spells big trouble for President Donald Trump, his son and son-in-law.

Norm Eisen, the former ethics czar for President Barack Obama, said news that Flynn’s attorneys have stopped sharing information about the case with Trump’s legal team should put the president on notice.




Eisen said he’d helped negotiate a cooperation deal with another target of a Mueller investigation, when the special counsel was a U.S. attorney, and he said that offered some insight into how a Flynn deal might work.




Eisen followed up his Thursday night tweets with another the next morning, which should give the president even more cause for alarm.




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https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/jared-will-flip-like-a-pancake-on-trump-after-flynn-gives-him-up-predicts-obamas-ethics-czar/
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'Jared will flip like a pancake' on Trump after Flynn gives him up, predicts Obama's ethics czar (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2017 OP
This will be fun to watch Gothmog Nov 2017 #1
Perhaps not. He's #1 on the pardon list and will not spend a day in federal prison dalton99a Nov 2017 #2
I read that Mueller may be setting a pardon trap for Trump. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #3
Let's hope dalton99a Nov 2017 #4
Mueller survived in the jungles of Viet Nam for a year. We should not underestimate him. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #6
Your wisdom... FarPoint Nov 2017 #26
Thanks FarPoint. We are all wise in our own ways. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #29
Well said. byronius Nov 2017 #27
When I read the specific account of what Mueller did in Viet Nam, it gave me the chills. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #32
Love Your Avatar OMGWTF Nov 2017 #33
Not if there is ALREADY a sealed indictment for tRump*... Raster Nov 2017 #9
I don't know if I am as confident there is any settled law saying Trump can't pardon... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #21
RePigLickin' ... vkkv Nov 2017 #31
Yes that is what I mean. Mueller can unseal that indictment if Trump gets cute. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #30
Given the choice radical noodle Nov 2017 #36
While I hope this is all true ornotna Nov 2017 #5
I think Mueller is playing Trump big time. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #7
Christmas in November? czarjak Nov 2017 #8
Mueller...loves surprises lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #10
So do I! NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #15
K&R 2naSalit Nov 2017 #11
Cop goes the Weasel NBachers Nov 2017 #12
They're comin' for you, Donnie. They're comin' to GIT ya... Buns_of_Fire Nov 2017 #13
ha HAH! Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #14
That might explain the reports that Ivanka and Jared are being encouraged to move back to NYC. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #16
Hmm, into the lair of Eric Schneiderman... lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #18
My first thought too. JHB Nov 2017 #35
Cursegiving! Like Festivus! lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #17
I assume gibraltar72 Nov 2017 #19
Mueller serving up more indictments for breakfast meow2u3 Nov 2017 #20
love it! :) n/t orleans Nov 2017 #23
i'm suddenly in the mood for pancakes! LOL orleans Nov 2017 #22
Don't want to serve decades in jail? bucolic_frolic Nov 2017 #24
Awesome. I want to see the entire would-be royal family locked up... Hekate Nov 2017 #25
I'll go further: If Jared flips, then he can kiss Ivanka goodbye. no_hypocrisy Nov 2017 #28
Mueller must be having fun. MatthewG. Nov 2017 #34
I have a casual friend who has a son in the FBI. He said son was oasis Nov 2017 #37
Gives Mueller extra motivation to hurt Trump... MatthewG. Nov 2017 #38

dalton99a

(81,488 posts)
2. Perhaps not. He's #1 on the pardon list and will not spend a day in federal prison
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:03 PM
Nov 2017

New York is a different story

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
3. I read that Mueller may be setting a pardon trap for Trump.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:09 PM
Nov 2017

If Trump tries to pardon Kushner, Mueller unseals indictments against Trump for obstruction of justice, etc.....

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
6. Mueller survived in the jungles of Viet Nam for a year. We should not underestimate him.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:19 PM
Nov 2017

He has an uncanny ability to read the minds of his enemies, anticipate their moves,
and stays at least one step ahead of them at all times. And he is fearless, nerves of steel, and cannot be corrupted.

Few of us can truly appreciate what it took for Mueller to survive in VN, and in fact do a stellar job as a Marine rifle platoon leader.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
32. When I read the specific account of what Mueller did in Viet Nam, it gave me the chills.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:31 PM
Nov 2017

I could see the measure of the man right in front of me.

OMGWTF

(3,955 posts)
33. Love Your Avatar
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:43 PM
Nov 2017

Abbie Hoffman is a personal hero of mine. He autographed my old copy of "Steal This Book" about six months before he died. It's one of my prized possessions. Carry on.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
9. Not if there is ALREADY a sealed indictment for tRump*...
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:38 PM
Nov 2017

...if tRump* is indicted, he cannot pardon co-conspirators, which I am willing to bet is everyone on his "aren't we special" lists.

After Flynn* and son of Flynn*, I believe Jar-Jar* may be in the most legal jeopardy. I so fucking hope so... Jar-Jar* is in this mess right up to his shit-brown eyes. I think it was Jar-Jar* and the evil succubus Jarvanka* that helped convince Daddum*s to run, thinking they would profit handsomely off of their new national and international statures. I think Jar-Jar* has been looking for financial assistance to save his family's ailing financial "empire" for some time now.... sucks to have bet the family farm on buying a building for 1.8 billion that's worth *maybe* half that.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,328 posts)
21. I don't know if I am as confident there is any settled law saying Trump can't pardon...
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:45 PM
Nov 2017

... Kushner et al.

The Constitution says The President can't pardon in matters of impeachment. An indictment is not an impeachment.

The way I read it, and I'm by no means any legal scholar, The President can't pardon himself of the impeachment.

There is nothing in The Constitution saying he can't pardon people that might testify against him or lead to his impeachment. I think, at a minimum, the impeachment limit on the powers only kicks in when there is an actual impeachment. Otherwise, any pardoning of high level officials would be subject to limits -- and we have never seen that happen. See: Daddy Bush pardoned everyone who could have placed him "in the loop" on Iran-Contra where we all know he was.

His powers of pardon are pretty much absolute for federal crimes. The only remedy is after the deeds are done. See: repiglicker congress. Or prior to the deeds if we had anything resembling a responsible Congress.

Or if it goes to The Supreme Court. See: repiglicker majority and politicians in robes.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
7. I think Mueller is playing Trump big time.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:28 PM
Nov 2017

He knows the Trump crime family is stupid, but at the same time understands the politics and vast machine behind Trump.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
15. So do I!
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:19 PM
Nov 2017

Bring it on to us, Mr. Mueller. We'll give you an old-fashioned ticker-tape parade on Pennsylvania Avenue!

Buns_of_Fire

(17,177 posts)
13. They're comin' for you, Donnie. They're comin' to GIT ya...
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:09 PM
Nov 2017

It's got to be stressful, bless his heart. Here, Donnie, eat a couple of these every day. It'll calm your nerves.

Don't forget a BIG slice of beautiful chocolate cake, and TWO president-size scoops of ice cream!

And extra gravy. LOTS of extra gravy.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
35. My first thought too.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 03:46 PM
Nov 2017

It'd be awkward (and obvious) patting him down for wire every single day.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
25. Awesome. I want to see the entire would-be royal family locked up...
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:03 PM
Nov 2017

...for a very long time. I trust Ivanka has made guardianship arrangements for her little darlings should she have to spend some time away herself.

no_hypocrisy

(46,110 posts)
28. I'll go further: If Jared flips, then he can kiss Ivanka goodbye.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:19 PM
Nov 2017

No way Trump is going to recognize him as family and will forbid Ivanka from associating with him. She will not betray her daddy.

MatthewG.

(362 posts)
34. Mueller must be having fun.
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 03:43 PM
Nov 2017

Given the sheer amount of dirt on Trump - and how high profile a case this is - I’d imagine Mueller must be having fun with this.

oasis

(49,387 posts)
37. I have a casual friend who has a son in the FBI. He said son was
Fri Nov 24, 2017, 04:51 PM
Nov 2017

"highly upset" about the firing of Comey. Imagine how the rest of the intelligence community feels about Trump.

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