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Summer is always scorching in Amman, Jordan, but last July was particularly brutal for Tarek el-Qaisi, a mechanic who lives with his family in the eastern part of the city. A gang of thieves tapped into the power lines across from his home, and the electricity provider cut off the entire street for a fortnight. With no fans or fridges, the treeless, concrete neighborhood felt like a blast furnace. The next day, a nearby sewage pit backed up, enveloping his apartment with a sickening stench. The flies loved it, but all three of el-Qaisis school-age children got sick. By the time his boss lowered his salary, citing slow business, the young mechanic thought nothing could faze him. Its hell, he says, but its not like we have a choice.
The sudden loss of his water supply, however, has left him nearly hopeless. With no municipal water access, el-Qaisi and his neighbors have always had to rely on private tanks to service their cisterns. But recent construction at the foot of the hill on which they live has severed that lifeline. The whale-size trucks can no longer get close, so residents are now dependent on what they can carry up the steep, uneven roads. Unable to properly wash their clothes or even clean dishes, theyre slowly reconciling themselves to a world with almost no water. I come home dirty and sometimes cant wash, says el-Qaisi, his arms and face flecked with sweat and motor oil. Its humiliating. No one should have to live like this.
Without drastic action, many Jordanians may share his plight. The Jordan River, the countrys lone waterway, is dirty and depleted, while some of its aquifers have been pumped almost beyond repair. The nations annual rainfall is set to slide dramatically due to climate change, even as its population continues to swell. Jordan is too poor to turn to costly, large-scale desalinationor fix its leaky infrastructure. And the countrys population growth shows few signs of slowing, so it cant fall back on water imports, as some lightly populated Pacific and Caribbean island nations have done. Water shortages have gotten so bad, theyve already sparked clashes between refugees and native Jordanians, and the officials charged with catering to booming demand with a shrinking supply are beginning to panic. We have to look outside Jordan, says Ali Subah, secretary-general for strategic planning at the Ministry of Water and Irrigation. There are no more water resources here.
Jordan could be the first country to run out of water, but it likely wouldnt be the last. Globally, water demand is forecast to rise by roughly 50 percent by 2050. And the situation is dire on the supply side too: 21 out of the worlds 37 biggest aquifers are already moving past their tipping points, according to NASA, in part due to over-extraction for drinking water and mining. Meanwhile, global warming appears to be reducing rainfall in some places. Two out of every three people will face water shortages by 2025, the World Meteorological Organization says, and hundreds of millions more might grapple with dangerously poor water quality.
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http://www.newsweek.com/2017/12/01/what-happens-world-without-water-jordan-crisis-717365.html
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)when they can no longer afford it.
romanic
(2,841 posts)I did hear that there are lots of water underground, though to get to it and desalt it is a huge task.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)How will republicans treat their fellow Americans, who migrate from the arid southwest to moderate, northern climates? I suspect with the same hatred they are displaying toward immigrants from the middle east.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)The Southwest has rivers and aquifers -- and enough wealth to insure a water supply for a long time to come. So don't air out the spare room yet.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)Cuz everything I've read predicts a dire future for the southwest, if global warming continues. And no one is doing anything of significance on that front. We're facing a crisis that we can't buy our way out of, if we don't act boldly & quickly. And I don't see that happening. Not with a country controlled by a party that ignores science.
http://sei-us.org/publications/id/371
former9thward
(32,006 posts)That is when air conditioning started to appear in homes and the population began to boom in that area. Arizona has 3 Trillion gallons of water stored -- far more than any other state. If you build a sub division in Arizona you have to be able to show a water supply of 100 years -- and builders have no problem doing that. Water supply is not perfect in the SW but it is not the gloom and doom that people (who don't live there) try to make it out to be. Northerners will continue to go from the Unmoderate north to the warmth of the SW.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)I wonder what kind of climate those 100 year projections are based on, cuz you know, I trust the builders.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)You really want to compare Arizona's water to Michigan's share of Lakes Superior, Michigan and Huron?
former9thward
(32,006 posts)So yes I will compare. I am a former AZ resident who now lives within a mile of Lake Michigan. In a water emergency stored water is far easier to access than natural water.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)A lot of formers in your life.
Stored water, unless continually being used, also needs processing before use.
So you are claiming that AZ has 2.7 cubic miles of drinking water stored in tanks?
I sense bullshit.
former9thward
(32,006 posts)But I will present the "bullshit" anyway for other readers who may be interested.
Water in Arizona
Arizonas water usage remains virtually unchanged since the 1950s despite robust population growth.
Arizonas total water use in 1957 was 7.1 million acre feet per year, with usage decreasing to 6.9 million acre feet in 2015 despite the population increasing by almost 6 million citizens and the economy growing 500 percent.
Arizona operates a world-class water management system and leads the nation in water reclamation, conservation and long-term planning strategies.
Arizona has stored nearly 3 trillion gallons or more than 9 million acre-feet of water for future use.
Arizona has proactively built resilience and innovative water management strategies to secure adequate water in anticipation of future drought or water shortage.
https://www.azcommerce.com/ambassador/talking-points/water-in-arizona/
Also:
http://www.azwater.gov/AzDWR/IT/documents/Layperson's_Guide_to_Arizona_Water.pdf
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Arizona's stored water includes reservoirs, which are essentially natural water, sitting in the open, meaning your claim that Arizona has far more than any other state is typical bullshit.
former9thward
(32,006 posts)Or, more likely, you didn't even read them. Which state has more water stored than Arizona since my claim is BS?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)The "stored" water that AZ claims include reservoirs which is no different than the water in the Great Lakes. In fact, the water in the Great Lakes is probably more pure due to temperature and movement.
The only thing that makes a reservoir "stored" is that they were forced to make a dam. The Great Lake states have so much water that the don't need to make dams.
former9thward
(32,006 posts)In a water emergency good luck filling your bucket at the Lakes.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Good luck filling your bucket from a steaming, algae filled reservoir. Want to take a bet on which contains harmful parasites?
How many water emergencies are the Great Lakes states facing in your mind? Since you claim to have lived in both areas, where is water a larger emergency concern?
I'm a former environment chemist, BTW.
former9thward
(32,006 posts)I currently live in Chicago. I hear PSAs about water conservation all the time. When I lived in AZ I never heard one. So that tells me which state is the most concerned about a water shortage. You made a snark about "many formers in your life" about me. I will not do the same with your "former".
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)rather than bringing up any facts.
Here's a fact, I have ground water 10 feet down, that the state doesn't "manage" since Minnesota isn't facing any water emergencies. How many feet does Arizona need to "store" their ground water?
Claiming that Arizona has far more water "stored" than any other state is ridiculous. It's like saying one has the best words. A meaningless superlative that most consider so inaccurate and inane that there is no point arguing it.
And claiming that Arizona is not more concerned about water than any Great Lake state is beyond silly.
NickB79
(19,243 posts)How does Arizona's surface water differ from Great Lakes surface water? Lake Michigan alone holds 6 quadrillion gallons of water.
former9thward
(32,006 posts)It is water stored underground and managed by the state. In a water emergency, water in Lake Michigan will not help much. What are millions of people supposed to do -- go to the shore with buckets? Good luck with that. But if AZ is so horrible why do northerners keep on moving there? Why don't they stay in the Heaven that is IL and MI and MN?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)You used to claim that you lived in Arizona after serving as a "former minor officeholder" in Chicago?
Seems like you don't personally back up your own arguments.
former9thward
(32,006 posts)But I still have things going on in AZ and I suspect at some point in life I will be back on a permanent basis.
NickB79
(19,243 posts)Water emergencies are short-term blips that stored water can address.
Long-term issues, such as the steady drying of the US Southwest and a potential mega-drought hitting again, cant as easily be solved through this approach. A 30-yr drought, like ones seen in the past and likely to be seen again, won't be survivable using current water measures at current population densities.
If a Great Lakes city were in a similar situation, they at least have far larger water resources to build new infrastructure into.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Most major Great Lakes cities have uptake pipes right into the lakes themselves. Detroits water authority pulls out of Lake Huron.
Good tasting water, too...since much of Lake Huron sits on a dolomitic limestone base...aka the Niagara Escarpment.
I used to dive Lake Huron. The Escarpment is quite a sight underwater.
NickB79
(19,243 posts)Water is indespensible in manufacturing. Food production. Cleaning services. Energy production. Water equals jobs.
Water reserves to keep the taps flowing in your kitchen don't help so much when your factory laid you off because water bills got too high, or water was rationed to the point lines are shut down. Or when you lose your farm because of drought. Or when electricity is rationed because the hydroelectric plant has reduced flow.
Long before the taps run dry, an economic crisis of limited water supplies would kick off migrations.
Just pray we don't see another mega-drought like climatologists have been warning us about in our lifetime. For example:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carbonbrief.org/climate-change-could-push-risk-megadrought-99-per-cent-american-southwest/amp
marybourg
(12,631 posts)like people leaving the SW. It just forecasts that things like conservation, buying water, desalinization, etc., will have to begin at some time. And that sounds likely to me too, but the situation is far less dire than that of coastal cities, and certainly not dire enough to coax many of us to go back to snowy blustery climes. It's in the dry, sunny clear-blue-sky 80's today in the Phoenix Metro and we're lovin' it
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)marybourg
(12,631 posts)but, like most Arizonans, we enjoy our summers too, when we get our roads, parks, restaurants, supermarkets, recreation centers etc. back.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)Everywhere. The vast Ogallala aquifer is being slowly, but steadily, pumped out.
And I wonder exactly where the aquifers are in Arizona that are storing all that water. Here's a link to an on-line version of a book I own, called Above Tucson Then and Now. http://www.abovetucson.com/index.htm Click on the Interactive Map Page and look at some of the photos. The oldest set were taken in the 1940's. For the original book new photos were taken about 1995. There's a third set taken in 2005.
What absolutely leaps out at me is that in the first set of photos there was clearly a lot more water close to the surface. You see it in the greater number of trees in the 1940's compared to the later photos. I wish they'd republish that book with the third set of photos included.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)the climate is warming and aquifers and other stored water (behind dams, for instance) are being depleted. But people are not yet being affected in their daily lives, and so are unlikely to be leaving the SW for "moderate northern climes", wherever that maybe, since most of us left there to come here.
JCMach1
(27,558 posts)...
muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)Calculating
(2,955 posts)Just need green energy for the process.
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)Liberal In Texas
(13,552 posts)It's inevitable.
Buy rain barrels.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)I remember being stunned when I first learned of this many, many years ago.
snip...
"Were using perfectly good drinking water for so many reasons that we shouldnt be," Broderick said. "So this is one way to repurpose water."
Activities like watering the lawn and thirsty flower beds dont require treated water from the tap. Until this week, the state technically could have fined Broderick $500 for his system.
The new law, which takes effect in August, allows homeowners to collect as much as 110 gallons of rain in up to two barrels.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)"Water molecules can go through individually, but sodium chloride cannot. It always needs the help of the water molecules. The size of the shell of water around the salt is larger than the channel size, so it cannot go through," said Dr Nair."
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39482342
n2doc
(47,953 posts)There are many solutions. All cost money, to make, maintain, distribute...and humanity seems much more interested in making weapons.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,785 posts)Without it, we die.
Fact: Our bodies are over 80% water. That means skin, organs, even bones need water. We know what lack of water does to ecosystems. Out bodies are indivudual ecoayatems all of their own making and we are unable to adapt
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Period.
Probably hafta build that wall!