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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 10:40 AM Nov 2017

Mueller Finds "Discrepancy" - Suggests Building Permits Were Used for "Renovations" to Launder Money

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🚨 NEWS 🚨 Manafort's indictment says millions were spent renovating his homes.
@Business spent weeks reviewing building permits and the numbers don't appear to add up





MORE:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-17/the-questionable-math-behind-manafort-s-extravagant-home-renovations

and THIS;

Trump may not have deliberately set out to facilitate criminal activity in his business dealings. But, as this Global Witness investigation shows, licensing his brand to the luxurious Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower in Panama aligned Trump’s financial interests with those of crooks looking to launder ill-gotten gains. Trump seems to have done little to nothing to prevent this. What is clear is that proceeds from Colombian cartels’ narcotics trafficking were laundered through the Trump Ocean Club and that Donald Trump was one of the beneficiaries.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/report-trumps-panama-resort-took-money-from-farc-money-launderer?utm_content=bufferbb8e3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer




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Mueller Finds "Discrepancy" - Suggests Building Permits Were Used for "Renovations" to Launder Money (Original Post) kpete Nov 2017 OP
It is about time that the Real Estate Industry get put under the microscope! Baitball Blogger Nov 2017 #1
Money laundering can go through any industry. Merlot Nov 2017 #4
I'm concerned about an industry that has too close ties to our Florida legislators. Baitball Blogger Nov 2017 #7
But real estate has the advantage that you can make a single high-value deal. DetlefK Nov 2017 #8
Craft Beer? Lighting Design? Pet Walking? maxsolomon Nov 2017 #20
Money Laundering Zoonart Nov 2017 #2
Yes, it was amazing. Merlot Nov 2017 #6
Believe $10K's still the magic amount for little people. Hortensis Nov 2017 #19
"Structuring" -- and banks have programs to detect it both coming in AND going out. nt Buns_of_Fire Nov 2017 #23
Of course it'd have a word. Those damned computers! :) Hortensis Nov 2017 #24
Or else he's hilariously bad with money. Orsino Nov 2017 #13
I hear you... Zoonart Nov 2017 #16
Manafort and Donnie were both money launderers, that is why he ended up in the campaign... Thomas Hurt Nov 2017 #3
Manafort belongs in prison. dalton99a Nov 2017 #5
Ops,somebody exposed one of the Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #9
In some jurisdictions, permit fees are a function of the estimated cost FarCenter Nov 2017 #10
Is that ethical or legal neohippie Nov 2017 #12
In some jurisdictions, the valuation for permitting can be a standard price per added square foot. FarCenter Nov 2017 #15
K & R Duppers Nov 2017 #11
Anyone think ANY of these people breaking the law (BIG TIME) will go to prison? C Moon Nov 2017 #14
KnR Hekate Nov 2017 #17
2003 article on how to spot money launderers meow2u3 Nov 2017 #18
Looking forward to Trump family suffering financially if this works out. LiberalFighter Nov 2017 #21
What if this investigation takes 13 years? Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #22

Baitball Blogger

(46,743 posts)
1. It is about time that the Real Estate Industry get put under the microscope!
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 10:46 AM
Nov 2017

I hope this is the beginning.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
8. But real estate has the advantage that you can make a single high-value deal.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 12:38 PM
Nov 2017

Like Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen selling a house worth $2 million for $10 million in cash to unnamed russian investors.

Sure you could do something similar with planes and ships and stuff like that, but it would look weird to the FBI and the IRS if you are flipping planes on a monthly basis.

Zoonart

(11,870 posts)
2. Money Laundering
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 11:01 AM
Nov 2017

Anyone watching Ozark (terrific btw) on Netflix? It's a primer on how to launder dirty money.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
6. Yes, it was amazing.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 12:27 PM
Nov 2017

Remeber the owner of the inn (spoiler alert) how she found the money and drove away? Nice storyline, but I wonder how she was able to spend it. You can't leave the country with it, can't deposit it in a bank. So it sounds like she had all this freedom, but making it work out...well, I'd still like to give it a try ; )

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Believe $10K's still the magic amount for little people.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 01:48 PM
Nov 2017

$10K or over in cash deposited or withdrawn requires notification. I think that might be each day, though, not needing to clarify never found out. I do recall that breaking up, say, $24K into 3 deposits to avoid reporting is can be a very quick way to bring oneself to the attention of a federal prosecutor.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Of course it'd have a word. Those damned computers! :)
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 12:21 PM
Nov 2017

Sadly, we've only needed to know once. And that was only how to stay out of trouble. It'd at least have been nice to need to know how to launder money.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
13. Or else he's hilariously bad with money.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 01:20 PM
Nov 2017

I'm not seriously proposing this, but either way, Trump hired a bad guy for reasons which will no doubt become clearer.

Zoonart

(11,870 posts)
16. I hear you...
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 01:25 PM
Nov 2017

prepare to hear a lot of the "My dope was an innocent dupe." defense. It won't play.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. Ops,somebody exposed one of the
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 12:40 PM
Nov 2017

ways Real Estate Developers and Hustlers use to Hide Money wither legal or illegal. Watch the Tax writers go nuts over this. Thank You Mr. Mueller,this will be used to nail the whole Trump Crime Family.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
10. In some jurisdictions, permit fees are a function of the estimated cost
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 12:52 PM
Nov 2017

So it would be reasonable for the contractor to low-ball the estimate.

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
12. Is that ethical or legal
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 01:18 PM
Nov 2017

If you're knowingly low balling your cost estimate by 3/4 of the actual cost, to avoid paying a higher permit fee, isn't that also criminal behavior, sounds like fraud one way or the other

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
15. In some jurisdictions, the valuation for permitting can be a standard price per added square foot.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 01:25 PM
Nov 2017

This might be a lot less than the actual job if the architecture is complex and top quality materials are used.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
14. Anyone think ANY of these people breaking the law (BIG TIME) will go to prison?
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 01:21 PM
Nov 2017

I don't believe it.
But someone caught shoplifting will most likely do jail time.
The crimes these bastards are committing are so HUGE, with so much money involved, so many people affected (some even traitors to their own country), they should be put away for decades—even life (for all I care).

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
18. 2003 article on how to spot money launderers
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 01:32 PM
Nov 2017
http://www.wealthmanagement.com/archive/how-spot-money-launderers

What follows is a primer on money laundering rules that can help you address these issues before they become potential career killers.

Illegally gotten gains have long been the target of Federal regulations. Highlights range from the $10,000 threshold-reporting requirement of the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 to the Suspicious Activity Reports (SAR) of the 1986 Money Laundering Act. More recently, The USA Patriot Act of 2001 puts banks and, via NASD Rule 3011, all broker/dealers on the front lines of this financial battle.

The Patriot Act requires broker/dealers to establish and maintain anti-money laundering education and monitoring procedures. With penalties that quickly run up to $500,000 — plus double the amount laundered — it makes sense to learn the provisions of the act.

The Patriot Act aims to fight money laundering by removing subjectivity from certain ethical decisions. Special punishment awaits those found to be “willfully blind.” However, because the requirements are statutory, even a good-faith lapse can become an actionable offense.

The Patriot Act's SAR provisions, which took effect January 1, target transactions of $5,000 or more which involve funds derived from illegal activity. Telltale signs of this include the disguising of a transaction's source or an obvious departure from normal business. Some other red flags include:


This is a very informative and important read, an oldie but goodie.

LiberalFighter

(50,952 posts)
21. Looking forward to Trump family suffering financially if this works out.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 02:05 PM
Nov 2017

Considering that US banks did not want to deal with the family.

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