Where is Rush Limbaugh?

[Major Hogwash]

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Hope you're happy, you bloviating, pasty-assed, sonovabitch!!
What happened in Colorado is an act of domestic terrorism.
Plain and simple.

Your agenda of spewing hate just caused the worst mass shooting in the history of the United States!!

You can see how this thread was "freeped" by Rush's defenders within just a few hours.

71 real people were shot early this morning in Colorado.
12 of them were killed.

We learned during the Iraq War several years ago that for every causality, that there are at least 9 other people affected by the causality, on average.
That means that 639 people that know the victims are also affected by this mass shooting this morning.
Including the 71 victims, that means that 710 people, at least, will be impacted on a long-term basis by this mass shooting.
710 real people.
710.
That's a pretty big number.

That doesn't include the 100s of FBI agents, 100s of policemen, 100s of ambulance attendants or paramedics that were called to the scene of the shooting.
That also doesn't include the 100s of doctors, nurses, and nursing attendants who were involved with treating the victims of this mass shooting all day today.

710 people.
710 real people.

Not just a few names of anonymous posters on a message board, but real people.

[zzaapp]

1. Is that true?

Rush Limbaugh was THERE !!!!????

[Major Hogwash]

3. Yes, Rush has been using a dog whistle for several years to his listeners.

Calling for them to be patriots, to rise up, and "take this country back."

[zzaapp]

8. Thanks MH, my dog HAS been acting funny lately

Saluting, listening to Ted Nugent, etc.

[Raven]

4. With all due respect, it is clear

what the poster means...why the obnoxious reply?

[zzaapp]

5. Sorry, I misread the post.

[Warpy]

2. He's on the phone to his masters, trying to figure out

what to tell weak people to think about this.

[Major Hogwash]

56. More than likely Rush is on the phone trying to apologize to Mitt for causing this shooting.

After all, Rush knows that Mitt just loves to borrow his son's gun and shoot varmints every other decade or so.
So, Rush has to appease the misguided idgits of the world that don't realize just how dangerous a Romney presidency would be to the 99%ers.

[DCKit]

78. Please. He took a three day weekend. He's in an Oxy induced coma by now. nt

[Initech]

6. This shooting was incredibly horrifying, but worst in US history?

[Major Hogwash]

7. 12 dead, 71 injured.

You want to argue about it??

[rateyes]

10. VT

32 dead.

[Major Hogwash]

13. There weren't 71 people shot and injured at Virginia Tech.

There were 83 people shot in Colorado this morning.
12 died from their wounds.
71 others were injured.
At a movie theatre!

Want to argue about that??

[rateyes]

19. there were 71 people total.

12 dead. 59 injured.

VT had 32 deaths by shooter. Several more injured. 20 more deaths than today. There were more deaths at Killeen, TX. There were more deaths at Luby's shooting in TX in 1991. There were more deaths at Columbine.

Maybe the most injured by gunfire in Aurora, but, imo, the results at these other places were worse in terms of number of deaths.

Thats not to belittlle the horror of this event. But, you started the post with an unsubstantiated claim that Limbaugh caused this. How you gonna feel if the nutball who did this today was a schizophrenic who happened to be a registered Democrat?

If you dont know it to be a fact, dont state it as a fact.

[Major Hogwash]

26. It is a fact.

It's unreal that you can't connect the dots between what Rush has been spewing this whole last week and the shooting this morning at a movie theatre that just started showing the Batman movie last night!!!

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. I can't connect those dots ...

Not yet, at least. Nothing I have read indicates that this shooter was political, listened to rush, or even had a TV or radio.

Remember the back-tracking and "hoping my post hurries up and falls off the page" with respect to rush dog-whistling Loughner in Tucson? I certainly do.

[Booster]

38. I tend to agree with you on this. We should wait for the facts before jumping to conclusions.

[Major Hogwash]

49. If you need to be told what to think, you just were!!!

Seriously, you don't think I know how Rush operates?
Are you kidding me??

[zappaman]

51. HAHAHAHAAHA

Your posts keep getting dumber and dumber!
Waiting for facts is being "told what to think?"
Have another bong hit, Cheech!
Your spreading of disinformation reminds me of Rush.
How ironic.

[1StrongBlackMan]

97. No ...

I don't need to be told what to think; but I DO prefer to have what I think informed by facts. And that, IMHO, prevents me from acting on what I have been told to think.

[rateyes]

36. i sure as hell hope that if i am arrested falsely

that you arent on my jury. What you stated is not a fact. It is a conclusion to which you have jumped and claimed as fact.

And, then even the fact you tried to state about the number of casualties isnt fact.

12 killed. 59 injured. 71 total shot. thats the fact.

[rateyes]

20. VT

is Va Tech.

[Major Hogwash]

113. How many people were shot at VT?

71 people were shot at a movie theater in Colorado early this morning.
12 died.

[zappaman]

115. Changing your story so soon?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002984894#post13

"There were 83 people shot in Colorado this morning."

Glad you finally admitted you were wrong though...

[Major Hogwash]

119. How many people were shot at VT?

That was the question.

[zappaman]

122. Let's hope you aren't doing the math!

"There were 83 people shot in Colorado this morning.
12 died from their wounds.
71 others were injured.
At a movie theatre!

Want to argue about that??"

Sure, don't you want to argue about that anymore?

[rateyes]

126. thought you said 83 were shot today.

geez. make up your mind. 58 were shot at VT, with 33 deaths, making the kill ratio at VT 57% as compared to 17% today. Almost 3 times as many fatalities at VT.

I said upthread that there were more people shot today, but not close to as many deaths.

None of this, however, has any relevance to the main assertion of your OP, being that Limbaugh caused today's killings.

Face it. Your assertion is flat out wrong.

[Major Hogwash]

133. 71 people were shot in Colorado this morning and that is more than at VT.

The rest of your crap is just crap.

[rateyes]

140. how many were shot today? 71?

You sure? Sure it wasnt 83?

You sure are living up to your screen name today.

[Initech]

11. I am in no way shape or form arguing that part.

[rateyes]

14. 59 injured. 71 total casualties.

[Major Hogwash]

17. 83 is a larger number than 71.

At least it was when I went to school.
12 dead, 71 injured.

[zappaman]

18. Nice snark but you're wrong

71 shot.
of those 12 are dead.
71 minus 12 leaves 59 injured.
At least it was when I went to school.
HINT:Snark is more effective when you know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Major Hogwash]

21. That's not a snarky comment that I made.

It's the truth.

[rateyes]

24. no it is not the truth.

there were 59 injured, 12 killed, for a total of 71 casualties...not 83.

[zappaman]

25. You are wrong.

You might want to read about it.
Here's a link...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-aurora-shooting-medical-student_n_1689794.html

Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates, in a briefing with reporters on Friday afternoon, said that 71 people had been shot in total and 12 had been killed during shootings at an area movie theater early Friday morning.

Do you want to keep arguing about the numbers?

[Major Hogwash]

27. I am right.

Limbaugh caused this mass shooting -- the WORST mass shooting in the history of the United States in modern times!!!

[rateyes]

30. hogwash

[Major Hogwash]

33. Your comments here have been noted.

I'm not deleting the OP.
I want the entire DU community to see your comments defending Rush Limbaugh.

[zappaman]

35. Yes, don't delete

Keep it up so everyone can see how wrong you are.

[rateyes]

40. I dont care if you delete it or not.

Im not defending Limbaugh. Im just not gonna make shit up like you have.

[Major Hogwash]

42. Obviously, you do care.

Or you wouldn't be responding to my posts.

[rateyes]

46. If i cared i would delete my own damn posts. Are you really

that thick?

[zappaman]

53. That's a rhetorical question, yes? n/t

[rateyes]

61. Yep.

[rateyes]

9. Number one: has it been proven that Holmes is a dittohead?

Number two: I agree with you description of Limbaugh.

Number three: While very bad, it wasnt the worst mass shooting in US history.

Finally: Limbaugh does need to STFU, but lets not make claims until they are substantiated.

[hughee99]

60. What does it matter?

Why waste a tragedy when it provides an opportunity to blame those we don't like. Mitt Romney, *, Limbaugh and his ilk, Bud Selig, and my neighbor's dog that shits on my lawn are all responsible for this!

[rateyes]

63. Hey, don't blame

my dog.

[Major Hogwash]

183. "Worst Mass Shooting in American History"

That was the headline last night on the news report broadcast here.

[rateyes]

186. hoopteedoo. What is your evidence that Limbaugh caused it?

nevermind. you have none.

[rateyes]

187. and with all due respect to your headline writer,

i still equate the deadliest attack with the worst attack. And, not all of the injured in this case were shot..some were injured with gas.

[Major Hogwash]

188. Respect?

You don't know the meaning of the word!!

[hifiguy]

12. With any luck, in a cement-filled oil drum.

Somewhere in a swamp.

[zappaman]

15. And you know he is responsible how?

I wasn't aware this mentally ill person was a Limbaugh fan.
Where did you get this information?

[Zoeisright]

45. It makes sense because Limpballs has been ranting about the new Batman movie for DAYS.

He was infuriated because the villain was named "Bane", similar to Willard Romney's "Bain" Capital. I'd be very surprised if there isn't a link.

[zappaman]

48. So you're just guessing then?

Because you really don't have a clue and just want it to fit your agenda?
Got it.

[Zoeisright]

203. I'm making an educated guess based on the facts.

I'm also guessing that you don't have a clue and just want things to fit your agenda.

Buh-bye.

[Myrina]

83. Maybe the shooter just doesn't like Batman movies?

Or maybe an ex was at the theatre with a new love interest? Or maybe an asshole boss that spent the day shittIng on him ?

You're drawing conslusions without evidence ... that's what the other side does. We're supposed to be the smarter, fact-based ones.

[jmowreader]

121. Or maybe he just wanted to watch the world burn

[4th law of robotics]

87. These threads/comments are going to be really embarassing

if it comes out he's been planning this for weeks or if he explicitly states some other motive.

[zappaman]

93. "going to be"?

this one crossed over when the OP couldn't figure out how many were shot.
still can't apparently...

[4th law of robotics]

204. And now they're saying he was planning this for months

oops.

Damn Rush and his time traveling mind control ray!

[rateyes]

94. exactly

[Major Hogwash]

155. How do YOU know that Holmes is mentally ill?

All of the other baiting comments aside, this means that you have jumped to the conclusion that Holmes is mentally ill, and yet, not one -- NOT ONE -- shred of evidence has come out supporting that premise.

You made this comment within 40+ minutes of me starting this thread about Limbaugh.
Hmmmmm.

[muriel_volestrangler]

157. His behaviour is the big clue

He shot 71 people, to no advantage to himself, with no stated reason, and who were only connected by being at a movie theatre. He had planned this for long enough to have armed himself, obtained body armour, and made or bought some sort of smoke grenade. He also booby-trapped his apartment.

Do you really think that wouldn't be taken as indications of mental illness? Not whether it would affect his criminal culpability, but of a mental disorder.

[Major Hogwash]

159. Excuse me, I asked zappaman that question, he needs to be the one to answer it.

Since he was making all of these other snide comments about my posts.

[MiddleFingerMom]

180. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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[rateyes]

182. well zappaman cant post in this thread since SOMEONE

alerted on a post of his........

[lunatica]

16. Wherever he is he's busy not giving a shit

[Major Hogwash]

22. Probably hiding under his desk, curled in to the fetal position.

Wondering if he still has any Oxycontin stashed around the house.

[Johnny Rico]

23. As per info from another thread, he announced yesterday that Marc Steyn would be filling in for him.

Blaming this shooting on Limbaugh is, frankly, absurd.

BTW, this wasn't the worst mass shooting in the history of the US. That would be Virginia Tech.

[Major Hogwash]

28. People that listen to Rush Limbaugh have to have rocks for brains.

People who defend Rush Limbaugh are no better.

[Johnny Rico]

34. People who make unsupported attacks and refuse to acknowledge errors are worse.

Just sayin'...

[Major Hogwash]

41. I didn't make any attacks.

That's a fact.
I don't have a radio program, and my messages are not broadcast across the oceans to influence the troops stationed overseas.

[Johnny Rico]

44. Really?

Hope you're happy, you bloviating, pasty-assed, sonovabitch!! Your agenda of spewing hate just caused the worst mass shooting in the history of the United States!!

That's a fact.

[Zoeisright]

47. Oh, wah wah wah.

You think those are bad things to say about Limpballs? That's just sad.

[Major Hogwash]

62. Yes, really.

I don't broadcast on the radio at all, anywhere.

[Johnny Rico]

77. I don't recall asserting that you did....

[Major Hogwash]

84. "I don't recall", you sound like Alberto Gonzalez now.

And Mitt Romney.

[zappaman]

86. And you sound like Rush Limbaugh.

Spouting off "facts" that aren't.
Ironic, isn't it?

[Major Hogwash]

128. 71 people were shot in Colorado this morning.

Laugh your ass off about that!

[zappaman]

132. I thought it was 83?

According to DU's resident mathematician.
The laughter is over your epic fail of a thread, but please, by all means keep kicking it!

[rateyes]

90. When did Johnny say that you had a radio program?

He said you made an attack on Limbaugh, and quoted the attack you made. You just keep digging yourself in a deeper hole.

[rateyes]

85. You didnt assert that he had a radio program. You stated

a fact that he made an unsubstantiated attack.

[ChazII]

81. As one who posted

that Steyn would be subbing....I was NOT listening to Rush. I like the drive home show because it is local talk. A commercial for Rush's show came on during the break.

edited for typo.

[sabrina 1]

112. How is it defending Rush Limbaugh to state that we do not know why

this tragedy happened yet? The truth is we do not know.

Defending the truth is what people are trying to do.

Right now, the focus should be on the victims, not on trying to gain some political advantage from their suffering.

Sometimes I hate politics for this reason. It seems to make people immune to real suffering in the world and cause them to look for an advantage for their team in everything that happens up to and including horrible tragedies like this.

When I was not interested in politics, I simply reacted to events for what they were.

Sometimes I wish I could go back to that place.

[Major Hogwash]

117. The gunman was from San Diego, California, a hotbed of racist rightwingers and rednecks.

You could have ignored this thread, Sabrina.

[zappaman]

118. "San Diego, California, a hotbed of racist rightwingers and rednecks"

Says who?
Oh...right....the guy who knows it all...except how to add.

[rateyes]

135. Its just getting fucking idiotic isnt it?

Cheesus on a Cracker!

[Redwhiteneverblue]

178. Yes..

I can see how an informed opposition voice would frighten you..that's why most of your agenda is pushed in high schools and colleges...easier to manipulate the young sculls full of mush

[rateyes]

181. What is a

scull? Is that the bone that contains the "Brian?"

Referring to Limbaugh as informed is a stretch. Stating that a liberal agenda is taught in public schools is just downright stupid.

Sounds like your SKULL is full of mush. And, don't try the "it was a typo" defense. The letter "c" is not even close to the letter "k" on the keyboard. Perhaps you could benefit a little more from a good public school education.

[Blue_In_AK]

29. I wouldn't go this far.

Rush is obnoxious, to be sure, but as far as I've seen, there's no evidence that he influenced this particular shooter at all. We're always looking for someone to blame when something like this happens, but in this case, i think it was just an instance of someone losing their grip on reality and going quite insane.

[Major Hogwash]

37. If you had watched Lawrence O'Donnell's program at all this week, you'd know that I'm right.

It's not the fact that Rush is obnoxious that I object to, it's his "call to arms" to his misguided listeners that I detest.
I want him off of the radio, period!

[rateyes]

50. i watched him all last week. and, i still call bullshit

on your bullshit post. Bet you O'Donnell doesnt blame Limbaugh on tonite's show.

[Major Hogwash]

64. So who cares what you think?

I certainly don't.

[rateyes]

65. to quote you:

Obviously, you care or you wouldn't be replying to my posts.

[zappaman]

66. LOL!

It brings to mind the phrase..."hoist with his own petard".

[rateyes]

67. its too easy sometimes.

[Major Hogwash]

68. You care about defending Rush Limbaugh. You've been more than obvious about that.

That's the point.

[zappaman]

70. Actually he hasn't done that at all.

But keep spreading bullshit.
It reminds me of a certain rotound, cigar smoking, right wing radio host!

[rateyes]

74. Not defending Limbaugh. Just not

defending your bullshit.

[Blue_In_AK]

69. I don't disagree with you as far as wanting him off the air,

and I have been watching Lawrence O'Donnell; I merely disagree with you on a causal relationship between Rush's spewings and this particular gunman.

[Major Hogwash]

79. Enough to reply to my thread about Limbaugh

You can say "merely" all you want, but I've read quite a few of the screeds that you have written here bashing Democrats and President Obama.

[Blue_In_AK]

80. Screeds? Please.

I don't do screeds. You must have me confused with someone else.


As for Democrats and Obama, I don't know how old you are, but I've been a Democrat ever since I could identify myself politically, well over 50 years. I like Obama just fine, although in some areas he's not as progressive as I might like. But as for anti-Obama or anti-Democratic party "screeds," that would not be me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. If he was not planning to take the day off

I certainly get it...

[malaise]

52. Yep why did he take the day off today?

Damn - what a mess

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Well you and I know the little assed comment he made

about a certain movie

[zappaman]

58. Well you and I know there is no motive as of yet.

Well, suffice it to say, I know there is no motive.
Maybe you can use your reporting skills to break this story!

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. I suspect ...

his business agent, along with representatives from every fox affiliate across the nation, jumped on him before he poured out of bed this morning, thereby preventing him from opening his mouth and inflicting more brand damage.

[Zoeisright]

43. Hiding like the little ass pimple he is.

[Throd]

55. On Thursday's show, he said Mark Steyn would be filling in for him today.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. So he was planning to take the day off

I am sure he is glad he did though

[zappaman]

59. Yeah, don't you hate it when your wrong?

That's a lot of hate, eh?

[arely staircase]

71. in a filthy restroom in a poor dominican neighborhood

passed out with his hand in his pants.

[zappaman]

73. In other words...

Just another Friday.

[arely staircase]

75. :-) nt

[rateyes]

76. LOL

now, THAT was funny.

[11 Bravo]

72. Someplace where there are lots of young Dominican boys, plenty of Oxycontin, and ...

a reliable Viagra supplier.

[Major Hogwash]

89. No doubt about that. Probably at a home owned by Romney in Bermuda.

Where they all get high and run around in their underoos chasing them down the halls.

[4th law of robotics]

82. Well it didn't take long for people to figure out all the details of this case

amazing what a sparsity of evidence and a fixed conclusion can do.

[HiPointDem]

88. yeah, in fact, some posters have already diagnosed him as a paranoid schizophrenic. but you

aren't giving *them* any shit for some reason.

[4th law of robotics]

91. A) haven't seen those posters

B) the evidence certainly suggests some kind of mental illness
C) stochastic terrorism is one of the most ridiculous terms I have heard in recent memory. Completely un-provable.

[zappaman]

95. "stochastic terrorism"

that's what happens when someone uses google and thinks they know it all.

[HiPointDem]

96. no more ridiculous than diagnosing mental illness from your armchair on the basis of a news report.

[rateyes]

98. its damn ridiculous to assign any motive or make any diagnosis at this point, including

the "Limbaugh made me do it" bullshit.

[4th law of robotics]

100. Which seems like a greater leap

1) that guy who killed a bunch of people for no reason was mentally ill.

2) that guy who killed a bunch of people for no reason must have been an avid Limbaugh fan, realized that the dark knight was a coded attack on Romney, and decided to silence the message by shooting up a theater in order to make Obama lose the election.

[HiPointDem]

103. you lead with your assumptions. shouldn't do that.

[4th law of robotics]

105. Yes, clearly *I* am the one doing that

not the people who have declared this is all Limbaughs doing.

Oh no.

[HiPointDem]

110. not talking about that. talking about the question you set up, which begins:

"guy who killed a bunch of people for no reason"

you don't know that. at all.

[4th law of robotics]

124. Alright, for no obvious reason then

He didn't leave a note explaining it that we know of. It's unlikely he had any connection to the movie goers and so on.

I would say under these conditions being crazy is more likely than being mind controlled by AM radio.

Don't you?

[HiPointDem]

129. That we have not been made privy to the reasons does not mean there were no reasons. There

obviously *were* reasons, if only the reasons of the mad.

But as things stand, the public doesn't know.

Doesn't stop it from armchair psychology though.

[4th law of robotics]

131. Ok

my point wasn't that he was definitely crazy.

My point was that given what we know now crazy is a more likely explanation than AM-mind control.

Can you agree with that statement?

[HiPointDem]

134. nope, can't agree. all those things (including the way you've expressed them) are problematic to

me.

fact is, we don't have enough information to do anything other than speculate. so why the person who's already diagnosed the shooter as "paranoid schizophrenic" should devote a whole thread to telling others how awful it is to speculate about political motivations is beyond me.

besides the silliness of diagnosis from a distance, there's also the silliness of the assumption that motives/causes are black/white, never mixed.

sorry, it's my hobbyhorse, the kneejerk jump to "mental illness" in popular discourse.

[4th law of robotics]

138. Really?

So the guy who died his hair red, told people he was the joker, then shot up a theater full of people is equally as likely to be hypnotized by Rush as he is mentally ill?

Wow.

[HiPointDem]

141. I don't know what his story is. And having extensive personal knowlege of how regularly the media

gets the story wrong in very important ways, I'm not inclined to *any* conclusions on day 1.

Not even as to likelihoods.

Not enough evidence unless you go in with an assumption that mass shooters are likely to be crazy.

which i don't.

[4th law of robotics]

144. I'm not asking you to say he's crazy

I'm asking you to say the notion that given the current info that he was being mind-controlled by rush is.

[HiPointDem]

176. the poster didn't say anything like "mind-controlled by rush". straw man.

[rateyes]

199. no, the words the OP used were "dog whistle"

pretty much the same concept when put in context

[HiPointDem]

202. not the same concept. "dog whistle" connotes riling up people of certain political persuasions. no

"mind control" involved. mind control connotes cults, cloak-&-dagger cia experiments, north korean prisoners of war, etc.

[rateyes]

207. yeah, pretty much the same concept...blow a whistle only

the dittoheads can hear in order to get one to go shoot up a movie theater.

[HiPointDem]

210. no, it's not. mind control is taking over someone's mind. dog whistle is demagoguing. There's

no implication that those one is demagoguing to have been subject to mind control -- one is just appealing to their already-existing persuasion.

[Major Hogwash]

92. It was just a matter of time.

Some people are ahead of the curve, is all.

[4th law of robotics]

99. You seriously believe this guy

listened to Rush and his stupid theory on Bain/Bane, thought "yeah that makes sense, I'll help my buddy Romney out by killing a bunch of people at the dark knight premiere"?

Occams razor.

What was the most densely packed, most populated, and sealed off area he could find at that point in time?

[rateyes]

101. Ding, ding, ding...

[Major Hogwash]

114. It was the premiere of the Batman movie where he lived.

He dyed his hair red, told the police that he was "The Joker", and shot 71 people.

You don't think there's any connection to what Limbaugh was spewing this week on the radio about the Batman movie?

It's pretty damned simple to figure out.

[zappaman]

116. "It's pretty damned simple to figure out."

Simplistic "logic" at its finest.
You might want to read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

[4th law of robotics]

120. Ha wow

because you just described the actions of a crazy person.

Nothing in that related to Limbaugh.

What would it take to disprove your stochastic terrorism notion?

[Major Hogwash]

137. Those are just the facts.

Holmes lived 4 miles away from the theater and dressed in tactical garb before he went on his shooting rampage early this morning.

[4th law of robotics]

139. Some of what you said were facts

the part about it being clear this is connected to Rush is rampant and unfounded speculation.

[zappaman]

145. I call almost everything the OP has stated in this thread...

HOGWASH!

[4th law of robotics]

147. I suspect as more evidence comes out

there is going to be a lot of back-pedaling and self-deletes.

[Horse with no Name]

102. *I* think that no matter which party affiliate the shooter has

that Rush is responsible.

This has been all over the internet/cable TV.

When you put stuff like that out there, you have the potential to trigger a reaction in a mentally unstable person.

Whether this person was a Democrat who went to shoot "Bane" because he represented Romney or whether it was a republican who answered Rush's call...the point of it is...that I feel Rush had a huge responsibility in this just as he had in the shooting of Gabby Giffords.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

104. I detest Rush Limbaugh, but I think it's a bit

premature to dump this in his lap.

We don't know what motivated the shooter. We don't know whether he is mentally ill. We don't know what his politics are. We don't know whether he ever even listened to Limbaugh.

It's true that Limbaugh and his ilk create a generally toxic atmosphere, but if Holmes turns out to be mentally ill, like the guy who shot Gabby Giffords, there may be no causal nexus at all. Sometimes a very disturbed mind creates its own causes.

[4th law of robotics]

106. "Sometimes a very disturbed mind creates its own causes."

[zappaman]

107. Sorry, but there is no room for rationality in this thread.

Apparently, your measured and truthful post makes you a Limbaugh supporter.

[Major Hogwash]

125. This is NOT a coincidence.

And I can't believe you could even ponder the possibility that it is.

[zappaman]

127. You have proof?

No?
I call hogwash.

[4th law of robotics]

130. One would have to be completely insane not to immediately

realize that this is all a plot on Rush's part using his AM-mind control ray to indoctrinate otherwise happy and mentally healthy young kids to kill movie goers in order to prevent them from learning about the Bane/Bain connection (conversely by drawing even more attention to the movie) in order to get Obama kicked out of office so he can have 4 years of nothing to bitch about under Romney seeing his ratings plummet ultimately leading to his own termination.

IT'S SO FREAKING OBVIOUS PEOPLE. READ REVELATIONS!!!!!ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN!!!!!!!!!!

[Bake]

108. Do we know that the shooter listened to Limbaugh?

I've been away from the news today.

Bake

[zappaman]

109. No, but that hasn't stopped the OP from digging a hole

that is truly deep at this point.

[greytdemocrat]

111. Delusional. nt

[turtlerescue1]

123. Likely BumRush is in his bedroom

counting his prescription drugs.

[gopiscrap]

142. Rush is such a fucking asshole

I keep hoping he gets taken off the air, but nobody has the balls to shut him down.

[Major Hogwash]

143. Just look at all of Rush's defenders posting in this thread.

I'll bet he is as happy as a lark that DU let these guys post here today.

71 people were shot in Colorado, 12 were killed, and all these guys can say is that Rush is innocent.

Incredible.

[zappaman]

146. Where are the Rush defenders?

I haven't seen them.
Oh, you mean the people calling you out on your bullshit?

Yeah, we love Rush

[4th law of robotics]

149. I am a fan of Rush.

A modern day warrior
Mean, mean stride
Today's Tom Sawyer
Mean, mean pride

Though his mind is not for rent
Don't put him down as arrogant
His reserve, a quiet defense
Riding out the day's events
The river

What you say about his company
Is what you say about society
Catch the mist, catch the myth
Catch the mystery, catch the drift

The world is, the world is
Love and life are deep
Maybe as his skies are wide

Today's Tom Sawyer
He gets high on you
And the space he invades
He gets by on you

No his mind is not for rent
To any god or government
Always hopeful, yet discontent
He knows changes aren't permanent
But change is

What you say about his company
Is what you say about society
Catch the witness, catch the wit
Catch the spirit, catch the spit

The world is, the world is
Love and life are deep
Maybe as his eyes are wide

Exit the warrior
Today's Tom Sawyer
He gets high on you
And the energy you trade
He gets right on to the friction of the day

[zappaman]

151. 2nd concert I ever saw!

The HEMISPHERES tour!
Ok, I take it back...I am a RUSH fan!

[4th law of robotics]

152. If Rush told me to shoot up a movie theater I would have to say no

Sorry Rush, love your music but stick to Progressive Rock rather than Domestic terrorism.

[rateyes]

164. oh look zappaman, M. Hogwash edited the OP and implied we are freepers...

[4th law of robotics]

148. You can call it that

I prefer to think I'm defending sanity. You've made the claim that Rush used his AM-mind control ray to hypnotize an otherwise stable and happy kid in to killing all these people against his will. Ok. You feel that to be true. Fine. But acknowledge that this is just something that exists in your head at the moment. There is no independent evidence that Rush even owns a mind-control ray let alone that he set it on Movie-Theatre-Massacre.

/did you know Rush personally presided over the Holocaust, the destruction of Carthage, and Toba extinction event that nearly wiped out humanity. Don't believe me? Why do you love Rush so much?

//the band, not the pundit.

[Major Hogwash]

185. The Holocaust!?!

Yeah, you jumped off of the edge with that lame comment.

[4th law of robotics]

189. Clearly he used his mind control ray

how else could the otherwise calm and logical germans have been coerced in to such madness?

[muriel_volestrangler]

150. Please, calm down

I really mean that. You're working yourself up into a state where you're just insulting DUers for no reason. Take a break from the computer.

[Major Hogwash]

154. Oh, really?

Because my opinion is worth just as much as yours.

[muriel_volestrangler]

156. The opinion expressed in the OP? It's unfounded, and silly.

But it's the way you're investing so much in defending it against all reason that is worrying. Relax. No-one here likes Limbaugh. But you're working yourself into a frenzy as if someone does.

[Major Hogwash]

158. Sez you.

Of course, you have the option of ignoring this thread.

I altered the OP to reflect more facts.
Tell me it is unfounded and silly now.

[muriel_volestrangler]

160. it is unfounded and silly now

[Major Hogwash]

165. The fact is, 9 people are affected by shootings other than the victim.

Brothers, sisters, mother, father, cousins, friends, co-workers, and people who knew the victim.

People have said that "this is a time for the victims".
Yes, that is true, but it also time for Rush Limbaugh to be kicked off of the radio, inciting violence the way he has been.

[rateyes]

161. you are entitled to your own opinion...

you are not entitled to your own facts.

Fact: You have ZERO evidence, let alone proof that Limbaugh caused Holmes to shoot anyone.

Fact: You stated that 83 people were shot in Aurora, CO today.

Fact: While Holmes shot 13 more people, the VT shooter killed 21 more people.

Fact: You stated your opinion as fact.

Fact: No one is defending Limbaugh.

Opinion: You really should quit digging this hole yoy have created for yourself.

[Major Hogwash]

166. 71 people were shot in Colorado this morning.

And that is a fact, not an opinion.

[rateyes]

168. And, your evidence that the shooter was a dittohead is...

what?

[Zoeisright]

205. http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2012/07/rightwing-liars-lying-again-rush.html

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/18/12815532-debunktion-junction-online-special-everybody-panic-i-think-the-conservative-talk-radio-host-rush-limbaugh-is-not-telling-the-truth-about-something?lite

http://www.fitsnews.com/2012/07/18/rush-limbaughs-bane-moment/

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opinion/tony-norman/limbaugh-cant-get-dark-knight-right-645469/

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/07/19/movie-blog-dark-knight-rises-inspires-exploits-fear/

Google is your friend. Unless you're fucking lazy.

[rateyes]

206. and not one of those links gives

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One shred of evidence limbaugh caused this. You wasted your time posting those links to establish nothing.

[rateyes]

175. *crickets*

thats what i thought.

[creeksneakers2]

208. If Rush pays attention to this thread at all

He'll use your post as evidence to support his lies about liberals being terrible people. Those here who aren't going along with your probably won't get mentioned.

[orpupilofnature57]

153. On his favorite river

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

162. Gazing at his navel...from the inside.

[Canuckistanian]

163. Probably staring into space

Just like this:

[rateyes]

167. You really think that editing your post and implying that those who called you out on

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your BS are freepers makes a difference?

Im gonna tell you something: I was one of the people affected by the VT massacre (though not on the level as my brothers family)My nephew was the RA on the hall where the first murder occured and was in the marching band with the victim. Several of my very close friends' children ran for their lives to find cover. Children that my children played with growing up.

I watched as they all had to deal with the loss of their friends. It wasnt pretty.

i feel no need to compete over which shooting was worse. They are both horribly tragic on many levels.

However, imo, it tramples on the memory of the victims when people like you want to use their deaths to score political points, especially when you have no proof...just your own desire to see a political enemy fall. And, if it comes out that you are wrong about the Limbaugh connection (and i would bet my last dollar you are wrong) the end result will be nothing but embarrassment for you.

So, as far as i am concerned, you can take your "freeper" accusation and shove it.

[unapatriciated]

169. Thank You

My brother works at VT and was there on that horrific day.

[rateyes]

170. i have many friends in Blacksburg, and a lot of family who are Alums.

[Blue_In_AK]

171. My uncle was a professor there

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back in '50s and '60s. That's a beautiful part of Virginia.

[rateyes]

173. it really is

[Major Hogwash]

172. This thread wasn't about YOU.

It was about Rush Limbaugh.

I don't believe anything you said in this post.

[rateyes]

174. You obviously will believe what you want to believe, even when

everyone else knows it is complete and utter bullshit.

Adios.

[4th law of robotics]

190. +1

[rateyes]

179. ooops. Looks like Holmes was stockpiling weapons for months, way before

Limbaugh's rant. With all the other facts in this pst ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002989865 ) your assertion is revealed to be the bullshit we said it was.

[4th law of robotics]

191. Are you denying that Rush's AM-radio mind controlling device has the ability to go back in time?

Wow, I didn't know there were such rabid fans of Rush on here.

Excuse me for just stating the obvious.

/ but just barely. Pretty much that's what you'll get.

[rateyes]

196. retroactive mind ray

Limbaugh should lend that thing to Romney.

[Major Hogwash]

184. "Worst Mass Shooting in American History"

That was the headline of the lead-off story of the news report broadcast on tv here last night.

[rateyes]

192. Despite being asked several times to provide evidence that Limbaugh caused

this shooting, you have steadfastly refused to do so. In fact, the evidence conclusively proves, since Holmes started stockpiling his weapons in May, that your assertion that Limbaugh caused this is total bullshit.

[Major Hogwash]

195. How newspapers covered Colorado theater massacre on their front pages

Interesting mix here --
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/colorado-theater-shooting-newspaper-covers-slideshow-164905140.html

[rateyes]

197. ...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/22/us-usa-shooting-denver-idUSBRE86J0AM20120722

[Major Hogwash]

198. There is no doubt that Limbaugh has heard about this massacre by now.

And yet he has been strangely silent on saying anything about this horrific event.
Doesn't Rush have a Twitter account?

[4th law of robotics]

200. Had he said anything you'd condemn him for making money off it

Also your assumption that Rush planned this and used his mind-control to make it happen isn't borne out by the facts.

So you can continue to blather things like "when will Rush apologize . . . " but keep in mind this is a weird obsession that exists only in your head.

[RKP5637]

201. I occasionally listen to Alex Jones, who I think is losing it ... recently he's been

on this kick basically saying the Obama Administration did the Colorado shooting as a false flag so peoples guns could be taken away by a UN resolution.

[UTUSN]

209. R#25 & K for, I can't believe I hadn't R&K-ed this before!1 Will he show up tomorrow?!1 n/t