We have rights crafted and affirmed for our individual protection,,,,,,,,

[suston96]

The constitution guarantees the right to own and carry guns.......

The people made the Constitution, and the people can unmake it.
It is the creature of their will, and lives only by their will.

Chief Justice John Marshall, 1821

The Second Amendment was a horrible mistake. Change it so that it makes sense.

[kctim]

1. Pitiful

I'm scared, take away the rights of everybody.

At least you offer something, instead of the usual pointless NRA, gun-nuts, dick size or fetish rants the anti rights people usually scream after such events.

You are afraid and you want to change the 2nd Amendment and I say go for it. It is your right to pursue such a cause.
Just so you know though, with all of our existing laws and stuff, our 2nd Amendment rights have been infringed upon to the point where the only effective thing really left to change is registration or banning.
Good luck with that.

[SoutherDem]

2. A side from the arguments we normally hear

and the fact that EVERYONE KNOWS what the 2nd Amendment says it is not that clear.
If someone will read it without KNOWING what it says and therefore has no position to defend will say it is not clear.
It has 3 commas so that means 4 statements, which fits to which.
It refers to militias. The meaning of those may have changed.
Keep and bear arms can take different meanings.
Even the intent of the signers needs to be examined.
To read it as some do, it was written in a different style than the other 9 amendments of the Bill of Rights.
I have heard many arguments about the amendment from both sides. If it was as simple as some want to make it we wouldn't be having the arguments.

So, I don't want to see anyone's rights to be taken away but I do wish it could be rewritten so that is is clear.

[kctim]

5. To be honest, I don't think that would solve much

No matter how you rewrite it, the paranoid anti rights people who fear the 2nd Amendment will still complain that it doesn't go far enough, that anybody who enjoys their rights is a gun-nut etc...

The only effective way to calm their fears is to fundamentally change it is with registration or outright banning. Of course than opens up a whole other can of worms doesn't it. Instead of dealing with keyboard warriors living in fear, we would then have to deal with people willing to fight and die for their rights.

[SoutherDem]

6. I see your point

But being fair your comments could be rewritten this way;

No matter how you rewrite it, the paranoid their coming to take all my guns people who adore the 2nd Amendment will still complain that it goes to far, that anybody who feels regulations are acceptable is a anti-gun-nut etc...

The only effective way to calm their fears is to fundamentally change it is with no registration or outright allowing of all guns. Of course than opens up a whole other can of worms doesn't it. Instead of dealing with keyboard warriors living in fear, we would then have to deal with people willing to fight for their rights with non violent means (the pen is mightier than the sword).

I guess the reason I feel that way is I am in the middle on the issue. I understand both arguments and actually feel while we won't make everyone happy, we could make many happy.
But, it seems as long as the amendment which grants the right is confusing to understand we will never get any where.

I really am not trying to debate pro or anti guns because as I said I am in the middle and think both side are wrong, but in their world it is either all or nothing.

What is ironic is one of the best arguments I have ever heard made to defend unrestricted gun ownership and the meaning of the 2nd amendment would be, IMHO, would be the best argument to have severe restrictions or total banning. I guess my point is the confusion of the 2nd Amendment adds fuel to the fire to the point that some don't care what it says, they just know what they want or think it says.

[kctim]

8. We have passed that point

We pretty much have all the regulations we can possibly have, already. We have watered down the 2nd Amendment to the point where they only effective things left that can be done are registration or banning.

Because of this, the debate over the 2nd Amendment is pretty much a dead end. The only thing left is to keep the right or change it.

[suston96]

3. I watched Antonin Scalia's interview with Piers Morgan.....

He explains that when considering the language of the Constitution, he must consider what the scribers or authors of those words MEANT in 1787. (How he knows what they meant he says he got from the Federalist).

What an incredibly insane statement!

Reasons for owning weaponry as well as its technology have changed since 1787.

The Constitution is ours - the people's. When it is necessary it must be changed to reflect changes in our societies and our intentions.

It is time for change. As it has been for some years.

[permatex]

4. So get right on it

start a petition to repeal or rewrite the 2A, and then convince 2/3 of the states to ratify it. Good luck with that.

[suston96]

7. The French Revolution......

http://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/111dec.html

It is the French Declaration of Rights written in 1789 by the Marquis de Lafayette, with the assistance of his good friend Thomas Jefferson........yes, that Thomas Jefferson.

I do not see a "right to bear arms". Maybe I missed it.

What sense does it make to establish a democratic society guaranteeing the rights and safety of its citizens and then guaranteeing each citizen the right to possess and carry arms to "protect" those rights himself? So when an individual thinks his rights are under attack he goes out and fires away?

The society is created to insure the rights of its members specifically because an individual cannot and indeed, should not, by himself attempt to protect his own rights.

That is why he joins that society which forms that government whose sole purpose is the common defense and the common security.