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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLouis CK Releases Statement that begins: "These stories are true"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2017/11/10/louis-ck-i-love-you-daddy-release-canceled-amid-sexual-misconduct-scandal/851769001/Laffy Kat
(16,383 posts)So difficult because I'm a big fan.
Ezior
(505 posts)Seems like he is now aware of the bad things he did in the past and owns up to them. Hopefully he will never repeat those mistakes, and hopefully other men can learn from him.
Much better than "I don't remember" and "If I hurt anyone, then I'm sorry" and "But baby Jesus, Joseph and Mary".
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,357 posts)JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)...he deserves of modicum of praise for fessing up, rather than flailing around like Kevin Spacey (claiming no memory, then desperately outing himself, as if the entire glbtq community would defend him.)
moriah
(8,311 posts)I'll never know what the "right thing" for someone who has done something heinous to do in response to being called on it. So many times what they say sounds like either excuses or a carefully coached statement written by their PR person, not them.
But the absolute wrong thing to do is call them liars.
With Spacey... the "I don't remember and by the way I'm gay, which I just HAD to associate in the press with child sexual assault" bothered me. But the fact he didn't call his victim a liar *was* better than outright denial.
I actually think this sounds sincere. It sounds good. I hope he's the one who wrote it.
And I am glad that the five women who came forward have had not had to deal with their assailant making them out to be liars with agendas.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)I think he did the right thing. First names only and sympathy to the last one who chose to remain anonymous. To my ear it sounded sensitive.
moriah
(8,311 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)You should have known this was appallingly wrong many years ago, and sought help. Your confession now does not help anyone or anything. You have hurt these women and probably many others, as well as your children, your colleagues.
I guess the only thing to come from this is the assurance that your career is ruined. But even this is small recompense: You'll just be able to live on all the millions you've earned from telling masturbation jokes and pretending to respect family and women.
I'm sorry, but I don't think there's any coming back from this. And there shouldn't be. You should give back those Emmys.
nini
(16,672 posts)He admits he can never undo what he did to the women etc. Yes, the damage was done but he's the first one of these men accused that had the balls to fess up and acknowledge how shitty they were. That in itself is a good thing amidst all the bad stuff.
His career is over and he seems to know it but he admitted it anyway.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)He's not stupid, and he's seen all these others fall. I still say, nice try, but too late. Pretty words don't erase bad deeds.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)What he did was wrong. He was ousted. He apologized. Apart from not liking the words/tone/whatever of his statement, what else would you want from him?
There has to be a point after which he can move on again. Not beyond what he did, but in sight of what he did. What is that?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)I'm just surprised that so many here are willing to cut this guy slack because he said the right words. My only point is that words don't matter.
Apologies are meaningless when given after years and years of abusive action and under threat of career annihilation. It's fine he issued an apology, but it doesn't and shouldn't change anything. His career should be definitively over.
Disclosure: I never understood the adulation for this guy; to me he always seemed banal and a little bit creepy. But the critics made out like he was some kind of genius philosopher of modern life. To each his own, I say. But I will not miss him.
moriah
(8,311 posts)... and its effect on a victim.
I don't know if he truly meant what he said, if he's a good bullshitter, or if someone wrote it for him. We never will.
But he didn't call his victims liars. That's really the bottom line for me. My sister was only able to forgive her abuser because he admitted it when she disclosed. He didn't deny it. He didn't use his position of power to say she was just making it up.
He couldn't take back what he'd done. But he didn't compound his heinous behavior by creating doubts about her sincerity or her need for therapy when she came forward. She still had to come to that forgiveness on her own terms, but it certainly wouldn't have happened the way it did had he denied his actions.
I have seen the opposite happen far too many times, and seen what it did to the victims who were then always at least slightly doubted by some who didn't want to believe so-and-so was capable of such atrocity. If not told to their faces by the very people they had trusted enough to disclose to that their word mattered less than their abuser's word and/or reputation.
nini
(16,672 posts)it's been obvious to most people who have followed his career. Actually I think most comedians have issues one way or anohter.
You don't have to forgive someone to acknowledge they may have a role in directing the dialog in the right direction. That's what I see he did.
He still has to suffer the consequences.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)Trust me on this one guys. Female acquaintances don't want to watch you masturbate, even if you ask first.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)making women uncomfortable is what gives them boners
nolabear
(41,986 posts)I believe in earned second chances. If, over time, he makes up for his actions by being an advocate for women who are being mistreated and accused of all kinds of nefarious reasons for speaking up, and if he never puts anyone in that position ever again I might believe hes sincere and advocate for him.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)they are setting him on a path that MAY allow him to revive his career in a few years.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)Let's hope he sticks with it and can become the good example he says he wants to be.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)his career started imploding.
Sans the Harvey piece and the subsequent fallout, his team would have just dismissed this NYT story and moved on.
MrPurple
(985 posts)If it's searingly truthful, tougher on himself than any of his critics could be, based in the reality of his fvcked up psychology around this, and he gives the profits to an abuse victim's group, would that be ok? I've been a fan of his for years and think he's capable of doing this in a way that's sincere, pulls no punches against himself, and is riveting.