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malaise

(269,176 posts)
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:21 AM Nov 2017

Donna Brazile has more than paid her dues in the Democratic Party

You may not like what she's saying but she should be heard. Is there truth in what she's saying - even if you don't like it. You can be self-critical and resist the Con at the same time.

The party is bigger than all its candidates and Donna herself.

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Donna Brazile has more than paid her dues in the Democratic Party (Original Post) malaise Nov 2017 OP
Who? LexVegas Nov 2017 #1
Check this: According to Brazile, the Clinton campaign was a 'cult' NurseJackie Nov 2017 #74
What do people have to gain by lending credibility to this woman? nt LexVegas Nov 2017 #75
It appears to be spearheaded by the "rule-it or ruin-it" crowd... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #76
HA! Good one! :-D NurseJackie Nov 2017 #2
She's the past. Time for youth and exuberance Roland99 Nov 2017 #3
I'm with you on succession-planning and renewal malaise Nov 2017 #18
I hate this! We need both youth and non-youth. I like experience and the new. BOTH!!!!! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #24
Damn it, YES! Thank you! VOX Nov 2017 #113
Experience is SEXY too! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #25
She is only in her 50s ffs. cwydro Nov 2017 #32
Only time I plan to watch Tucker Carlson Watchfoxheadexplodes Nov 2017 #4
We used to live in a time where that was true. Kentonio Nov 2017 #5
Great post malaise Nov 2017 #11
... LexVegas Nov 2017 #12
"Where people who devoted their lives to service were rewarded with our respect" betsuni Nov 2017 #26
They don't hear themselves. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #31
Given the subject of this thread that post needs some kind of award. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #35
Try reading the post again without turning everything into a Hillary vs Bernie battle Kentonio Nov 2017 #51
Precisely! And... by the way... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #41
Well back in those days ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #42
'We used to live in a time' Kentonio Nov 2017 #49
What time are you talking about? ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #53
Pre-Gingrich primarily, although its more of a regression over time Kentonio Nov 2017 #62
Well. I disagree to a point ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #65
You're probably right about the internet effect. Kentonio Nov 2017 #68
Uh oh, Dad's cranky. betsuni Nov 2017 #93
I think I'll just add you to ignore now Kentonio Nov 2017 #96
My sleeves are wet with tears! betsuni Nov 2017 #97
I think you misread, or misunderstood the post... pangaia Nov 2017 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #108
You must have skipped my comment Kentonio Nov 2017 #116
Makes sense to me. el_bryanto Nov 2017 #6
When you really dont want to say something but do it anyway. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #7
Nope.... Laurian Nov 2017 #8
And that is OK malaise Nov 2017 #14
The problem is that she lied. DURHAM D Nov 2017 #9
She alone? n/t malaise Nov 2017 #15
She alone LIED in her book. nt DURHAM D Nov 2017 #16
It's her name on the book mythology Nov 2017 #59
A lot of us on DU have paid our dues to the Democratic Party SharonClark Nov 2017 #10
+1000 leftynyc Nov 2017 #67
I liked and admired Brazile mcar Nov 2017 #13
Same here. cwydro Nov 2017 #91
I agree Gothmog Nov 2017 #127
At the very least, her timing was particularly bad. Thankfully it didn't hurt us yesterday. DanTex Nov 2017 #17
Proof that Dems can be self-critical and resist malaise Nov 2017 #19
It doesn't change the fact her book is one big lie and an attack on the party...she needs to go Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #119
I agree! I am v. disappointed but I will not pile on her! Concentrating in DEMS for the win! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #20
I do think she should be heard. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #21
A very reasonable and rational reaction malaise Nov 2017 #23
Yep! Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #38
Wow - that must make you so happy malaise Nov 2017 #39
I have worn myself out telling Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #73
At least he woke up malaise Nov 2017 #88
I DO like her but don't want her sabotaging us while we have Hitler 2.0 Nazis infestation in our WH. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #22
You are kidding me right? JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #27
I just dont trust her. lkinwi Nov 2017 #28
She is also a very good friend of Karl Rove's obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #34
The co that marketed her book, reads like a slick Rove start-up Wwcd Nov 2017 #43
Please stop. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #29
THANK YOU Wwcd Nov 2017 #40
Thank You Malaise for taking one for the team... safeinOhio Nov 2017 #30
LOL- for the team malaise Nov 2017 #36
Brazille destroyed her legacy by lying, and by trying to play the spoiler obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #33
Nope I still don't give a shit about Donna moda253 Nov 2017 #37
Me either. She showed 'who she is". Ck out her book marketing duo Wwcd Nov 2017 #44
Yes, I agree but ... left-of-center2012 Nov 2017 #45
So right about the books and the attacks malaise Nov 2017 #46
I must have missed the part where she was silenced. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #47
Now she wants back in to the good side. (For what else - money.) elfin Nov 2017 #48
Donna Brazile wrote the book in her own self-interest. CatMor Nov 2017 #50
Agreed. Onward! democratisphere Nov 2017 #52
The post about her editors is instructive delisen Nov 2017 #54
The book is a Republican hit piece on the Democratic Party. lunasun Nov 2017 #60
Agreed. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #55
we need to be the big tent party as opposed to the repubs 1% party questionseverything Nov 2017 #95
NO what she did is not OK...she need sold her soul to the Devil...GOP. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #120
Benedict Arnold was a hell of Colonial General... louis c Nov 2017 #56
I don't appreciate her using the word "rigged"...favored OK but calling it rigged is BULLSHIT. Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #57
Yeah, just ask Al Gore. The Democratic party doesn't have a cancer, and it isn't a question of not still_one Nov 2017 #58
Great response. Orrex Nov 2017 #63
Heard she is walking back some more of the BS again this morning.Sorry gonna back into a closed door lunasun Nov 2017 #61
Is she walking back the Seth Rich nuttery? BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #66
Doubtful Dedicated her book to ' Patriot Seth Rich. lunasun Nov 2017 #86
She, as anyone, is quite within her personal/professional rights to have opinions and views... Guilded Lilly Nov 2017 #64
I don't care for some of the ways that she expressed herself Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #69
Excellent post malaise Nov 2017 #79
I'm sure that people felt that way about Joe Lieberman, as well. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #70
Donna Brazile has shown herself to be a liar in her book. It is well documented. boston bean Nov 2017 #71
My thoughts, too obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #106
The point is, we have learned what she is saying, is not factual. That matters. SandyZ Nov 2017 #72
she is a liar ... stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #77
No, I saw her today on Morning Joe...still attacking the Part to sell her stupid book. She is dead Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #78
We meet again, DR86 :) Agree completely. I'm sorry, Malaise, Hortensis Nov 2017 #82
As always...you write a great post. I completely agree and enjoy your eloquence. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #114
Taking pictures with Sheriff Clarke, next up a job in the Trump administration. sarcasmo Nov 2017 #102
I wouldn't doubt it. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #115
"Is there truth in what she's saying" Scoopster Nov 2017 #80
Honestly PunksMom Nov 2017 #81
Personally I Can't See How She Stays On At DNC Me. Nov 2017 #83
I expect her to continue as a faux democrat for purposes delisen Nov 2017 #94
You Are So Right Me. Nov 2017 #99
On fox maybe...I turn off the TV if she comes on...at some point she won't be there anymore. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #121
Donna is all about Donna and what money she can make. Rene Nov 2017 #84
Whatcha think about this? seaglass Nov 2017 #85
Ok what the fuck ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #89
Welp, I'm no longer undecided. This isn't SHOWBIZ, people! nolabear Nov 2017 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #109
That's it for me...I'm out! workinclasszero Nov 2017 #118
So, Brazile is now linked in a #crookedhillary tagged post obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #122
paying your dues does not mean damage what you come to DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #87
It's not simply that we don't like what she's saying. It's that she is saying things that Squinch Nov 2017 #90
Horrible DNC chairwoman awesomerwb1 Nov 2017 #92
This aged well. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #100
Huh? malaise Nov 2017 #105
I think the mistake you make is supposing that the book itself is worthy of discussion. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #117
It ahs been PROVEN there is no truth to what she said obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #125
lol obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #124
Dues. You wonder who paid them: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #126
its just very disappointing. MFM008 Nov 2017 #101
She peddling a book and willing to harm the party to do so liberal N proud Nov 2017 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #110
I am upset with her, but I agree she has paid her dues and has a right to speak out. Tatiana Nov 2017 #111
Excellent post malaise Nov 2017 #112
Her comments will be weaponized by Russian Bots and Koch dark money bronxiteforever Nov 2017 #123

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
74. Check this: According to Brazile, the Clinton campaign was a 'cult'
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 03:40 PM
Nov 2017
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/359367-brazile-clinton-campaign-was-a-cult

Sorry, Malaise... this Brazile woman is officially off-her-rocker! Seriously... WTF!?? Being disciplined and professional and focused is NOT the same thing as being a "cult".

That description may more accurately and more appropriately apply to other politicians, but not to Hillary Clinton. Donna Brazile is completely worthless. She can take that book, her advance, and her short-lived royalty checks and ride off into the sunset... never to be seen again. Fuck her!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
76. It appears to be spearheaded by the "rule-it or ruin-it" crowd...
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 03:52 PM
Nov 2017

... who resent the fact that they aren't "in charge" of the Democratic Party. The ones who are so far on the outskirts of the fringes that they can't comprehend real world politics.

It's a very Sarandonesque way of thinking.

malaise

(269,176 posts)
18. I'm with you on succession-planning and renewal
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:52 AM
Nov 2017

and several others are in that camp, but she should still be heard,

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
24. I hate this! We need both youth and non-youth. I like experience and the new. BOTH!!!!!
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:58 AM
Nov 2017

Both are WELCOME in our party!

Whoever shows up and makes themselves USEFUL is WELCOME to our DEM PARTY!

VOX

(22,976 posts)
113. Damn it, YES! Thank you!
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:18 AM
Nov 2017

Any entity that jettisons its older members is simultaneously gutting and disposing of its institutional memory.

There is enormous value in maintaining long-term people— they know the entity’s past AND present protocols, customs, history, etc.



Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
4. Only time I plan to watch Tucker Carlson
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:27 AM
Nov 2017

See if this turns into Hillary bashing on his interview with her tonight.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
5. We used to live in a time where that was true.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:30 AM
Nov 2017

Where people who devoted their lives to service were rewarded with our respect and the opportunity to put forward their positions and have them listened to with respect, even if they ran contrary to our expectations or desires.

Now we live in a time when all that matters is the howl of the crowd or the outrage of social media. Offend the delicate sensibilities of the loudest group and decades of public service mean nothing, you will be villified and outcast, even if eventually you are shown to have been proven right.

We get the politicians we deserve, and when you look at politics as a whole these days, we clearly don't deserve very much.

betsuni

(25,638 posts)
26. "Where people who devoted their lives to service were rewarded with our respect"
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:00 AM
Nov 2017

Like Hillary Clinton?

"you will be vilified and outcast, even if eventually you are shown to have been proven right."

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
35. Given the subject of this thread that post needs some kind of award.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:13 AM
Nov 2017

I don’t know if it’s hypocrisy, irony or just plain old cognitive dissonance, but that is one for the record books.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
51. Try reading the post again without turning everything into a Hillary vs Bernie battle
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:02 AM
Nov 2017

Maybe it might actually make more sense to you then.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
42. Well back in those days
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:32 AM
Nov 2017

(I’m assuming the time post meant was ‘back in the day”) politicians were white and male. Of course, I don’t remember respecting Ronald Reagan very much.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
49. 'We used to live in a time'
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:01 AM
Nov 2017

You read that and thought I was talking about one year ago? Seriously? If anything the treatment of Hillary by the right is an exact example of the kind of regression I've been talking about in our political discourse.

Perhaps if you put a little more effort into your reading comprehension and a little less into divisive attacks and stupid laughing emoticons then you might actually understand the points people are trying to make.

This is the second time today you've jumped in and posted a nonsensical row of emotes in response to a point I've made that appears to have gone completely over your head. If you don't want to appear like a partisan teenager, perhaps you should consider addressing this.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
62. Pre-Gingrich primarily, although its more of a regression over time
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:41 AM
Nov 2017

Rather than something you can put a hard date on. You can also of course find exceptions from long before (because people being unreasonable isn't anything new), but as a general rule I think its fair to say that there used to be considerably more respect shown to politicians of both parties by their political counterparts and by the country at large.

The GOP are responsible for breaking that relationship, and the despicable and utterly disgusting way they treated Hillary over the years is a prime example of this. There are of course countless other examples, culminating in the pre-school behavior they exhibited towards President Obama.

What saddens me is that by polluting the political arena the way they have, that it seems to have normalized disrespect across the spectrum. Donna Brazile deserved to be listened to, have her points debated, and yes if it turns out she was dishonest or working on a hostile agenda then she should be disgraced for it. Instead she was attacked pretty much from the second the story broke, with people already making up their minds before we really knew anything much. The second any new news broke, both sides leapt on the details twisting them to fit their own arguments, regardless of what any of it actually means.

I'm just tired of it all. If a politician lies and discards their integrity then they deserve to be called out and suffer the political consequences of that. I don't care if they call themselves a progressive or a liberal or a centrist or whatever. I have infinitely more respect for a politician with integrity who I don't align with myself, than I do for someone who shares my beliefs but has no integrity. I can respect someone and still disagree with them intellectually or politically. I miss the times when that was the norm.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
65. Well. I disagree to a point
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:01 PM
Nov 2017

Politics has always been abrasive. Voltaire used to write pamphlets filled with stinging, mocking criticism for instance. In the USA, There were people who despised everyone from Washington to FDR and beyond and there was no respect.

BUt what’s happened is everyone now has a platform for their opinion, and it’s easier to be overwhelmed by trends and trolls. On the other hand, Politics was also without diversity, and the idea of elder statesmen was very real. Structured manners have gone by the wayside to a large degree. We aren’t going to see a return of grave, dignified punditry when so many voices are being heard that are new to the mainstream. In fact, who the “mainstream” represents is changing. I’m very curious what the generation after the millennials are going to do

Humans develop manners to get along. Even with the internet developed them fairly quickly, although trollery developed just as fast.

Brazile, well, all the experts I’ve read are atrocious writing, and thus far not fact filled. That doesn’t mean the rest of the book is without merit. I’m not planning in reading it because of the writing. I don’t listen to talk radio or watch TV for news, all the substantial political information I get is through reading. Donna Brazile is a experienced political scrapper, and something doesn’t add up to me between what she’s says is in the book and what is in the book. Her ghost writer was terrible.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
68. You're probably right about the internet effect.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:09 PM
Nov 2017

The media becoming far more partisan is also a big change of course, although both fall into the kind of timescales I mentioned.

I doubt I'll read her book either, if its as badly written as you say. I'm interested, but terrible writing is always a massive turn-off.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
104. I think you misread, or misunderstood the post...
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 07:28 PM
Nov 2017

"We used to live in a time where that was true....
Where people who devoted their lives to service were rewarded with our respect ...."

Now we do NOT live in that time.. And the fact that Clinton was treated like shit by republicans is living proof... The most experienced candidate for president I can remember in ages... and look what they did to her....

Response to Kentonio (Reply #5)

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
116. You must have skipped my comment
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:30 AM
Nov 2017

About people who are proven to have deceived facing fully deserved disgrace. Part of that involves giving them time to talk and actually listening before rebutting their claims factually.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
6. Makes sense to me.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:31 AM
Nov 2017

We live in an age when increasingly the expression of ideas we don't agree with isn't a sign that people of good will and intentions disagree, but is rather the evidence of bad faith and corruption. Obviously there are a lot of ideas we shouldn't give the time of day to; but there are other times where someone can say something we strongly disagree with and yet still be worth listening to.

Bryant

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. When you really dont want to say something but do it anyway.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:31 AM
Nov 2017

“ Is there truth in what she's saying - even if you don't like it.”

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
59. It's her name on the book
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:20 AM
Nov 2017

She's the one claiming she was going to replace the primary winner. She's the one who gave debate questions.

She had earned respect and goodwill. Then she lit it on fire.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
10. A lot of us on DU have paid our dues to the Democratic Party
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:44 AM
Nov 2017

And we don't like people like Brazile undermining our work and our party.

mcar

(42,375 posts)
13. I liked and admired Brazile
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:49 AM
Nov 2017

Not anymore. She dug the hole she's in herself. I've lost a lot of respect for her.

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
119. It doesn't change the fact her book is one big lie and an attack on the party...she needs to go
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:52 AM
Nov 2017

away.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
20. I agree! I am v. disappointed but I will not pile on her! Concentrating in DEMS for the win!
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:54 AM
Nov 2017

I truly wish her the best and I do so with LOVE!

TBH I always thought she was such a cool lady. I still do.

If she corrects her course she is welcome in our DEM FAMILY!

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
21. I do think she should be heard.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:55 AM
Nov 2017

My criticism of her was breaking that book right before the election. Could have made a tragic difference.
The problem is she repeated partial info and some other questionable tales.
Her message has gotten lost in her anger at ???

I was gobsmacked. She has been a touchstone for me forever. That’s why I believe she has some valid points. Lawd they have gotten lost among all the other. I will never understand this move and the way she did it.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
38. Yep!
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:22 AM
Nov 2017

And my bro too.
My gun ranting bro told me today it’s time to get rid of military guns & unrestricted sales.😳 Grew up in small country churches.Finally,something hit home.If he can change.....

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
73. I have worn myself out telling
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 02:22 PM
Nov 2017

him that Hillary, Pelosi, etc do not want his guns. Not hunting guns, hand guns, shotguns...
we grew up going to small country churches. The Texas shooting must have hit home. He can really relate to that. Sad it took that though.
May not be a wave of people, but his remark was seismic to me.

JustAnotherGen

(31,905 posts)
27. You are kidding me right?
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:01 AM
Nov 2017

If Donna Brazile had been involved in NJ - we would have lost big yesterday.

She's not helping. If she pulls more shit like this next November - she's dead to me. If she can't get out of her own - she needs to stay out of mine.

lkinwi

(1,477 posts)
28. I just dont trust her.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:01 AM
Nov 2017

I really hope that I’m wrong, but I have this persistent feeling that she thought Democrats would lose last night, and that’s why her book came out when it did. She would sell more copies if we lost big. Even though I disagree with her tactics, I agree that our party should always do some soul-searching and changing when necessary.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
43. The co that marketed her book, reads like a slick Rove start-up
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:33 AM
Nov 2017

Enjoy your money DB!
Truer colors were never more glaringly brighter.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029815902

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
29. Please stop.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:02 AM
Nov 2017

Last edited Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:53 AM - Edit history (1)

Why can’t we even let people enjoy a victory around here. Nope, back to the distractions.

Brazile lied. Repeatedly. There is proof of this. Even she is trying to backtrack her nonsense. She apparently didn’t even proof read her ridiculous book.

Anyone who judges the DNC, the Democratic party or Hillary based on the lies and distortions in this “book” is just looking for drama and distraction.

Congrats to Mr. Perez, the DNC, the Democratic Party and all the winning candidates yesterday. Thank you to the fantastic folks on the ground who helped get out the vote. And thanks to all who raised money and stumped for the candidates. ( Obama, Giffords, Clinton, Biden, etc. )

In one year, we need to repeat this victory on a mass scale. Nothing Brazile has said is working toward that goal. Let’s focus on the important shit, not the fabricated drama.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
40. THANK YOU
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:27 AM
Nov 2017

There's not a damn thing wrong with what Perez is doing with the DNC.

See Virginia & New Jersey last night?
Thank you for the great assist DNC & Tom Perez.
Every effort & contribution that gave us the resounding win last night gets recognized today.

Sorry you played the dirty game Donna Brazile,
Was it worth it?

Instead of uniting on the side of the Dem Party for Va & NJ, you can now go to your TV Fox News talk show with Tucker.



I'm sure DB has much more to tell.

safeinOhio

(32,725 posts)
30. Thank You Malaise for taking one for the team...
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:04 AM
Nov 2017

I agree with you.

Donna has been a great Democratic leader. Long time Democrat, raised tons of money for the party and a strong Black Woman.

obamanut2012

(26,142 posts)
33. Brazille destroyed her legacy by lying, and by trying to play the spoiler
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:11 AM
Nov 2017

By dropping this garbage THE WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTIONS.

We owe her nothing.

Zero.

Paying her dues doesn't mean she gets excused for anything she does.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
45. Yes, I agree but ...
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:42 AM
Nov 2017

There are some names which are guaranteed to bring out attack responses.

One being "Sanders",
and now we can add Donna Brazile.

They sadly are 'red flags'.

But as Donna said on TV recently,
everyone else (Clinton, Biden, etc) have put out their books.
Now she's put out her perspective.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
48. Now she wants back in to the good side. (For what else - money.)
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:54 AM
Nov 2017

Too late. We are done with you, DB.

If any network does hire you, their ratings will tank when you show up.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
50. Donna Brazile wrote the book in her own self-interest.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:01 AM
Nov 2017

that interest being money. How many books would she sell if she hadn't written what she did. My guess is not many. She is now in the spot light and her response to any criticism was "go to hell". She also made a statement that she worried for her safety because of the murder of Seth Rich, giving credence to the ridiculous conspiracy theory regarding his death. She is good at being a drama queen and blaming others. She had a choice to write what she did and I have the choice not to buy the book.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
54. The post about her editors is instructive
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:10 AM
Nov 2017

People who worked for George Bush Donald Rumsfeld, and Mitch McConnell are responsible for this book.

Donna Brasile is responsible for choosing to work with them.

The book is a Republican hit piece on the Democratic Party.

PatrickforO

(14,592 posts)
55. Agreed.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:11 AM
Nov 2017

We need to stop allowing ourselves to be divided. On another post, I just saw some serious negativity aimed at DFA, which is a progressive group. Let's not do that, shall we?

We are much better off if we work together to win elections. The party is NOT perfect. It never has been. But it's a hell of a lot better than the radical libertarian nightmare the once Grand Old Party has become.

Let's get about the business of working together to take back our republic from these corrupt lizards.

questionseverything

(9,660 posts)
95. we need to be the big tent party as opposed to the repubs 1% party
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 05:35 PM
Nov 2017

with that HUGE diversity we are going to have disagreements and different points of view

and that's ok

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
56. Benedict Arnold was a hell of Colonial General...
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:15 AM
Nov 2017

... but, in the end, that's not what he's remembered for.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
57. I don't appreciate her using the word "rigged"...favored OK but calling it rigged is BULLSHIT.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:17 AM
Nov 2017

Oh there's dysfunction at the DNC...???? there's dysfunction wherever people are.

still_one

(92,409 posts)
58. Yeah, just ask Al Gore. The Democratic party doesn't have a cancer, and it isn't a question of not
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:18 AM
Nov 2017

"liking" what she says, it is a question that she is fully misrepresenting and distorting the facts. Howard Dean and others have pointed out her misinformation.

Perhaps the worst thing about her sensationalism though, is she chose to release the most negative accusations in excerpts published through Politico, which every news outlet quickly broadcast, before an extremely important election. The nicest thing I can say about her is she has judgement issues.

From my perspective, Donna Brazille has been a mediocre at best leader within the Democratic party, and this latest action demonstrates that she is also an extremely divisive force. Not because she is critical of the party, but because her criticism is flawed, and much of it false.


lunasun

(21,646 posts)
61. Heard she is walking back some more of the BS again this morning.Sorry gonna back into a closed door
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:38 AM
Nov 2017

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
64. She, as anyone, is quite within her personal/professional rights to have opinions and views...
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:55 AM
Nov 2017

and now I no longer trust her motives. Once lost, that is hard for me to regain.

And while my personal opinion of her means absolute nothing to her...
losing trust is one of the major consequences of exercising those rights in “published ink.”

She was obviously willing to risk that, on a pretty huge scale for whatever reasons and she’ll have to deal with it.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
69. I don't care for some of the ways that she expressed herself
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:16 PM
Nov 2017

I don't like what seems to be the imprecise and probably factually inaccurate nature of some of her charges. I am upset with her timing in airing dirty laundry on the eve of a critical election cycle. No doubt there are other things I can say not complimentary to Donna as well. On top of that I don't always agree with her opinions.But Donna is not crazy. But Donna is not stupid. Donna is not a mere tool of the Republicans, and Donna is not a gold digger who only cares about herself.

It is just as insulting to peddle those specific negative memes against Brazile, an African American woman who has devoted her entire life to advancing the Democratic agenda for America, as it has been to read some of the anti-Hillary memes that have been propagated against her by those who claim to have the interests of Democrats at heart. She can be wrong. She can be losing the forest for the trees. She can be acting in a counter productive manner - those are charges against her that can legitimately be debated.

And I note that Brazile is an African American woman for a legitimate reason. I had reason to be in an extended correspondence with her during 2004 and 2005, and in the course of that I gained some insights into what she has been dealing with for the course of her career. Donna is venting in public now, but she has faced consistent headwind, the type that people here normally label as institutional sexism and racism, while working inside of the Democratic Party. For twenty years she was a high profile black woman inside an arena dominated by white men, and from what I was able to garner, she was not always treated with the same degree of implicit respect others received in her line of work.

Maybe she has some grievances. Maybe they aren't being processed in the most appropriate ways. Maybe she's flat our wrong in key regards. But Donna Brazile is not crazy. She is not stupid. She does not seek to advance a Republican agenda, and she is not a cash crazed mercenary primarily pursuing politics for personal gain.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
71. Donna Brazile has shown herself to be a liar in her book. It is well documented.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 01:14 PM
Nov 2017

And I am appalled someone with so much disdain for our nominee was in charge at the DNC through the general.

obamanut2012

(26,142 posts)
106. My thoughts, too
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:15 AM
Nov 2017

Between that, the timing of her book drop, and being besties with Karl Rove, the entire thing is sketchy AF.

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
78. No, I saw her today on Morning Joe...still attacking the Part to sell her stupid book. She is dead
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 03:55 PM
Nov 2017

to me.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
82. We meet again, DR86 :) Agree completely. I'm sorry, Malaise,
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:02 PM
Nov 2017

but I couldn't disagree more in this case.

She's revealed herself both as temporary DNC head and now to be profoundly dishonorable, dishonest, and malicious. She damaged the DNC with her unethical behavior and she betrayed the trust she had accepted very venally and nastily.

We owe her nothing, what she owes us she can never repay, and she is also dead to me.

Scoopster

(423 posts)
80. "Is there truth in what she's saying"
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 03:59 PM
Nov 2017

Umm, that's the problem. SHE LIED AND GOT CAUGHT DOING IT. And now she's insisting on doubling down on that.

This isn't about party, or dues paid, or even loyalty. This is about lying to get a pay day.

PunksMom

(440 posts)
81. Honestly
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:01 PM
Nov 2017

I was a fan of hers, but that has changed. I just don’t get why she had to start this whole thing now? She absolutely had to know she was feeding a slew of republican dogs who were hungry for something...anything! Her timing was horrible, and I can’t help thinking, deliberate. Not cool at all DB😾

Me.

(35,454 posts)
83. Personally I Can't See How She Stays On At DNC
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:10 PM
Nov 2017

I can't imagine how she is going to work with an organization she just stabbed in the back. Nor why they would want her there. She should take her money and retire to a life made comfortable by all that book money.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
94. I expect her to continue as a faux democrat for purposes
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:51 PM
Nov 2017

of making money as a pundit for right leaning shows.

She is not and will not be the only person getting air time for criticizing Democratic Party.

Rene

(1,183 posts)
84. Donna is all about Donna and what money she can make.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:11 PM
Nov 2017

Timing of all her appearances is suspiciously like Comey's announcement 2 weeks before vote.
Check who's publishing/backing her "book".

Go home Donna/Traitor/back stabber....get an ordinary job. You blew it.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
89. Ok what the fuck
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:33 PM
Nov 2017

I like Donna, and her book confused me, to say the least but this is bullshit right here.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
98. Welp, I'm no longer undecided. This isn't SHOWBIZ, people!
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 05:52 PM
Nov 2017

People's lives are at stake and she's letting herself be used by that asshole. Jesus, what Hillary has put up with. I'd have gone on somebody by now.

Response to seaglass (Reply #85)

obamanut2012

(26,142 posts)
122. So, Brazile is now linked in a #crookedhillary tagged post
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:13 AM
Nov 2017

With that psychopath.

The hell with her. I hope she is made a pariah by the Dem establishment. Let OR or Fox hire her.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
87. paying your dues does not mean damage what you come to
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:18 PM
Nov 2017

If I had Trump money, I could pay me dues and rent a floor of the Ritz Cartlon for a month: that will not mean they will allow me to defecate in the front lobby.

Squinch

(51,015 posts)
90. It's not simply that we don't like what she's saying. It's that she is saying things that
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:37 PM
Nov 2017

are provably false. For money.

Nope. No one has paid enough dues to trash Democrats with lies or falsehoods in my book. This was a craven act on her part. I will not spend any more of my time on her nonsense.

No more Democrats trashing Democrats.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
92. Horrible DNC chairwoman
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:44 PM
Nov 2017

Horrible pundit and voice of the Dems.

I'll be very happy to never hear from her again.

malaise

(269,176 posts)
105. Huh?
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:11 AM
Nov 2017

The question remains - is there any truth in the book? Has she raised some valid issues? No institution that does not examine itself improves.

What makes it OK for others to peddle their books? And if she's only in it for the money, then why did she accept the position without PAY?
Yes the timing was an issue but it did not affect Election Day.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
117. I think the mistake you make is supposing that the book itself is worthy of discussion.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:44 AM
Nov 2017

Can you point to a single thing she's written that merits debate? The stupidity she displayed over the memos indicates to me that DB's tome isn't well-written.

Further, I wonder why she had to resort to such a disreputable publisher.

obamanut2012

(26,142 posts)
125. It ahs been PROVEN there is no truth to what she said
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:14 AM
Nov 2017

PROVEN WITH FACTS.

Lies do not raise "valid issues."

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
103. She peddling a book and willing to harm the party to do so
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 06:50 PM
Nov 2017

At one time I respected her, then she lied for personal gain

Response to malaise (Original post)

Response to malaise (Original post)

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
111. I am upset with her, but I agree she has paid her dues and has a right to speak out.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:06 AM
Nov 2017

I would like her to "woman up" and admit her errors and issue the appropriate apologies.

However, there is clearly some hurt, frustration, and anger surrounding her tenure at the DNC. I don't think we're really getting at the heart of what bothered her. Ego is a part of it, but there's more. There is something in the way that the place was operating that was not consistent with past practice, nor with an operating plan for party victory.

I suspect that is why Obama built up and continue to operate OFA... because he simply found too much dysfunction at the DNC.

What/where exactly is the dysfunction and how can we fix it in time for the midterms? That's what we need to focus on.

malaise

(269,176 posts)
112. Excellent post
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:03 AM
Nov 2017
I suspect that is why Obama built up and continue to operate OFA... because he simply found too much dysfunction at the DNC.

What/where exactly is the dysfunction and how can we fix it in time for the midterms? That's what we need to focus on.


You nailed it.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
123. Her comments will be weaponized by Russian Bots and Koch dark money
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:13 AM
Nov 2017

This is a fine post for non apocalyptic times but in the dystopian world we live in, the only thing that matters are the coming elections.

Clintons and Donna are history. Right now we have a would be dictator destroying everything Democrats believe in. The battle is now.

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