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Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:20 AM Jul 2012

So the FBI working with the police has ruled out TERRORISM

I wonder why?

If this was not a terrorist act, how can some guy who is working on his own without carrying an act be
branded a terrorist?

Are they telling us that a law abiding citizen who purchases two assault weapons, with grenades, wearing
a bulletproof vest and a mask is not a terrorist or has any agenda of becoming a terrorist? but a brown skin
guy who has no weapons, no criminal history is working by himself is considered a terrorist. Perfect!

I am amazed by how the color of ones skin, ethnicity or religion has become the determining factor in a
callous act, but not the action in itself.

At this rate, this country is fast running backwards to the 60's instead of moving forward, and please do
not bring up the argument about having the first African American President, as we've all seen the level of
disrespect shown to that office.

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So the FBI working with the police has ruled out TERRORISM (Original Post) Hutzpa Jul 2012 OP
Terrorism has a specific meaning Marrah_G Jul 2012 #1
We are looking at the action of the individual or groups Hutzpa Jul 2012 #2
A movie theatre isnt a political target. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #3
If he were a Rush listener and decided the movie was a political target? csziggy Jul 2012 #6
This guy was stewing long before numbnuts opened his piehole. Swede Jul 2012 #7
I doubt he was Rush listener. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #8
We have to wait for a political arena Hutzpa Jul 2012 #12
Yes. Not every murderer is a terrorist. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #13
It was an act of terror, but it was not a terrorist act as the FBI defines it. boxman15 Jul 2012 #4
If I'm holding two assault weapons in a crowded mall Hutzpa Jul 2012 #9
I agree with you. boxman15 Jul 2012 #11
Maybe he's white. sadbear Jul 2012 #5
Because he's white and was acting out Hate Radio's agenda Doctor_J Jul 2012 #10
If he left a note stating.... NCTraveler Jul 2012 #14

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
1. Terrorism has a specific meaning
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:26 AM
Jul 2012

Not all mass murders are terrorism.

There needs to be a political/social issue type motive attached to it to be considered terrorism.

Like Oklahoma city- That building was targeted for political/ideological reasons.

Gabrielle Giffords shooting was , imho opinion, a combination of terrorism and assasination.





Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
2. We are looking at the action of the individual or groups
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jul 2012

not the meaning, when we start looking at the meaning that's when we loose all understanding of
their motives.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. A movie theatre isnt a political target.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jul 2012

Who knows what the guy's motives were. But it appears he was wanting to kill as many people as possible. He wasn't targeting specific groups.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
6. If he were a Rush listener and decided the movie was a political target?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jul 2012

Wouldn't that make it a terrorist attack?

While I am waiting for evidence I just cannot get past the events of earlier this week when Limbaugh made those claims about this particular movie. It's a bit too much to be a coincidence IMO that one of the opening showings is targeted by a crazed gun man.

Swede

(33,263 posts)
7. This guy was stewing long before numbnuts opened his piehole.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:44 AM
Jul 2012

This guy wanted to make a splash,and survive.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
8. I doubt he was Rush listener.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jul 2012

Im guessing Rush's demographics are middle-aged and up, for the most part.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. Yes. Not every murderer is a terrorist.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:22 PM
Jul 2012

Remember the guy who killed his family in NC or VA a few years ago? Was he a terrorist?

Terrorism is a tactic used to promote, or oppose, a political, religious, or social agenda. While a terrorist act may be carried out by a lone individual, its usually with the backing of a group... because the terror arises with the threat of future acts.
Now, maybe this guy did have some sort of agenda. We'll have to wait and see. But in targeting a theatre, he doesnt appear to be targeting any specific group... Its not like he was targettng an abortion clinic, or minority group, or symbol of government.
Sometimes its just a case of a sociopath wanting to kill a bunch of people.

boxman15

(1,033 posts)
4. It was an act of terror, but it was not a terrorist act as the FBI defines it.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:40 AM
Jul 2012

There must be a political, religious, etc. motivation for something like this to be labeled as terrorism by the FBI. There is currently no evidence for that.

We'd consider it terror, but the legal definition of terrorism is different than what you and I consider terrorism.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
9. If I'm holding two assault weapons in a crowded mall
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:56 AM
Jul 2012

just standing there without any intention of using it, don't you think people will be terrified just
looking at me. I would like to think so, especially law abiding citizens, my point is this, the
caliber of weapons put together makes this action a terror act, you terrorize people by appearance and
action.

What we are doing right now is using semantics to determine the factors that led this young man into taking
this type of action.

boxman15

(1,033 posts)
11. I agree with you.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jul 2012

By my definition, this is an act of terror. I'm just pointing out that the FBI does not define terror as something like that. There must be a political motivation in the FBI's eyes. Not saying that's right or wrong, it just is what it is.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
10. Because he's white and was acting out Hate Radio's agenda
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:56 AM
Jul 2012

Levin, Limpballs, Beck, Gallagher, Weiner, and all of the local and national wannabes are terrorists, period. Sadly no one who would call them terrorists would ever be given a job in the media these days, so you'll never hear it spoken.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. If he left a note stating....
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:28 PM
Jul 2012

that there were hundreds more that will do the same thing if theaters didn't start selling sardines it would be terrorism.

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