What is Donna Brazile's agenda?

[SummerSnow]

[PSPS]

1. Selling her book.

[renegade000]

3. and generally getting a paycheck...

she was on Fox News last night

[rufus dog]

22. If she was on Fox

Then a pay check in Rubles could be a possibility.

[trueblue2007]

19. sell book, make gazillions (she thinks) . Why is she seeking revenge.

election is over and no one cares about her stories. She sees things in another dimension ---- Donna's World.

i've heard quite a few things she wrote didn't happen.

[LisaM]

2. To be a Fox contributor (as someone else stated).

Since I never watch Fox, hopefully this will be the last I ever hear of her.

[pnwmom]

4. Making money. Plus revenge for her bad publicity with the debate question thing. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Sell her book and to hell with the consequences.

Reminds me of Judas who sold out the Prince Of Peace for thirty pieces of silver.

[4139]

6. Book$$$, then $$$ as a talking head

[jalan48]

7. I wonder if there isn't bad blood between her and Clinton from the past.

[DURHAM D]

9. Of course there is - the 2000 Gore campaign. nt

[jalan48]

11. Thanks-I hadn't heard this. It's odd she was chosen as interim chair in this case.

It would seem the Party would have wanted someone who was more liked by Clinton, especially given the stakes.

[bettyellen]

27. Ironic that the charge is HRC controlled them, isn't it? WTF?

[jalan48]

38. Yep-makes you wonder who is in charge.

[applegrove]

53. I thought Gore's daughter ran that campaign.

[DrDan]

8. Sell books, obviously

[DURHAM D]

10. Bill O'Riley's old chair at Fox. nt

[elfin]

12. All of the above. EOM

[beachbum bob]

13. Money....always money

[Not Ruth]

14. To be trending on Twitter

[Calista241]

15. I think she wants to help fix the Democratic party. And it won't get fixed if nobody knows what

went wrong, and what the problems were. My main concerns are the states go screwed. Royally screwed by the transfer of money out of the DNC and out of state DNC accounts, and into a specific candidate's national campaign.

So yes, this is not a pleasant conversation. But in 2020, I do not want to be thinking the same thing as we were all thinking in 2016.

I look at it the same way as i bet some of the Repub Senators are looking into the Russia allegations. Their party won. They should have felt great and optimistic at getting their agenda passed. They could have made the Russia investigation go away early on, but by holding hearing, doing an investigation, perhaps we can avoid that kind of interference in the future.

[LenaBaby61]

20. Thing is ....

DONNA BRAZILE is also part of the problem.

I don't see her being a physician and healing herself.

[ismnotwasm]

21. The states didnt get screwed

Where are you getting this information?

[emulatorloo]

26. States didn't get screwed

[bettyellen]

28. Donna lied, for fucks sake.

[lapucelle]

33. That's not what happened.

The state money was deposited as per federal law in separate accounts until the loser conceded the primaries in July 2016. This is a requirement of the Code of Federal Regulations that governs joint fundraising by committees.

"The Victory Fund will establish a depository account to be used solely for the receipt of contributions and for the making of disbursements in furtherance of this agreement as provided for by law and FEC regulations. The Committees will amend their Statements of Organization, as necessary, to reflect this account as an additional depository."

If the concession had come earlier, the money would have been released sooner.

www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/102.17

[moriah]

37. You are very misinformed, and that's part of the problem here.

OpenSecrets.org shows it is untrue. You can see what state parties transferred to the DNC in total for those states that actually report it.

In North Carolina, the HVF gave them $3.4 million. The DNC gave them $12 million. They transferred back less than half a mil to each.

Until the primaries were officially over, which could have happened sooner but late primary states did deserve their chance to vote and I think suppressing that would have suppressed GE voter turnout, the HVF could not release money to states. The Politico article making the "money laundering" accusations was done before the primaries were over and those funds, by the agreement, had to be used for the general election.

Yes, in some states like Mississippi, which apparently raised absolutely zip on their own, transferred most of $3+ million from the HVF back to the DNC. Which distributed it to states like Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. For the General Election for a state that had absolutely nothing in play, that is a strategy that makes sense for winning an election.

Joint fundraising agreements always include provisions to raise money for the candidate directly, because they bundle donations to the candidate, the national party, and the states. So the fact less than a third of the total money raised went to HFA isn't some conspiracy, but how joint fundraising agreements work.

The states did not "get screwed", and would have been a hell of a lot worse off without the JFA because she was the only one able/wlling to solicit the money the party would need to win. The fact we won the majority of the popular vote demonstrates it wasn't an entire failure. The states benefited from the money raised during the General Election -- which was its entire purpose.

[LiberalFighter]

48. The info in Brazile's book is wrong about the funding.

[BainsBane]

51. Like this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9797367

[Puzzledtraveller]

54. self-criticism is necessary

It is sometimes said that self-criticism is something that is good for a party which has not yet come to power and has "nothing to lose," but that it is dangerous and harmful to a party which has already come to power, which is surrounded by hostile forces, and against which an exposure of its weaknesses may be exploited by its enemies.

That is not true. It is quite untrue! On the contrary, just because Bolshevism has come to power, just because Bolsheviks may become conceited owing to the successes of our work of construction, just because Bolsheviks may fail to observe their weaknesses and thus make things easier for their enemies—for these very reasons self-criticism is particularly needed now, after the assumption of power.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1928/06/26.htm

[louis c]

59. Carlista, how can you fall for this BS?

I respect your "gold star", because that means you're committed to this site.

I respect you years here, so I know you are not spreading mischief.

I respect your posts, which means you are engaged.

But, how can you buy into lies, wherever they come from?

You should know better.

[Squinch]

79. Your main concerns are not based on facts. You should stop spreading her falsehoods.

[BannonsLiver]

82. LOL

[HopeAgain]

16. Donna Brazile

[ecstatic]

17. I think she was really isolated and waist deep in Russian disinformation that

was specifically designed just for her. She was fired in disgrace back in October 2016. Then Clinton lost the election. In a depressed and isolated state, she started trying to make sense of everything, but unfortunately, the information she had was just plain wrong.

Per her book, she called Bernie to discuss the DNC agreements, but he just listened and didn't bother to correct her. Did she share her findings with anyone else? Probably not. How else could the book see the light of day?

She also developed an irrational fear of being assassinated (which she also mentions in her book, and which shows that she was exposed to a lot of disinformation about Seth Rich, the DNC, and who knows what else)?

I really hope she gets treatment and finds peace.

[lovemydogs]

18. I assume she believed a year after the election people have moved on

[LenaBaby61]

23. I assume she believed a year after the election people have moved on.

She assumed wrong. She has a political tin ear, because everything she said about this non-existent rigging, the right-wing is parroting and that's leading to more discord in the party AND giving thuglicans and tReasonous tRump fake talking points for DAYS. She's helping the ruskie bots spread lies. Maybe she considers herself a ruskie bot She's on Faux Noose, and they spread nothing but lies concerning that uranium deal as it relates to Clinton and well, everything else. Faux Noose STAYS caping for racist, sexist, ignorant tReasonous tRump who is guilty of treason, collusion, money-laundering and so much more.

She's cutting own her throat, and what credibility she had is gone.

[Turbineguy]

24. Selling books

to trump supporters (the ones who can read). It's like DU taking advert money from Rush Limbaugh.

[Tavarious Jackson]

25. My 3 cents... pure speculation here...

Tom Perez is not going to let an independent run on a dem ticket in 2020, It's why Elizabeth Warren weighed in too. Bernie and his revolution people are planning on running against democrats. To win, they have to paint this corrupt party of the democrats. Lets be clear, I don't think Bernie is racist but I do think he is tone deaf of issues of race, POC have noticed. I think he made Donna an offer of working on his 2020 campaign. IMO it's going to get ugly and democrats better not refrain and get just as ugly or more. This is my opinion and I am just speculating... But we have already seen Bernie backed groups assault dems plenty.

[bettyellen]

30. This depresses me so much- because it sounds like the correct answer to me.

[Tavarious Jackson]

32. I admit. I've been depressed about it all day..

Near tears

[smirkymonkey]

88. You and me both.

I'm so tired of feeling nothing but despair.

[Duncan Grant]

34. TOS violation?

That sounds like feverish paranoia. We’re better than this...

[Tavarious Jackson]

36. I repeatedly said it was speculation

Speculation based upon that particular groups history of attacking dems

[melman]

42. 'I repeatedly said it was speculation'

How is that relevant?

[Tavarious Jackson]

49. If you don't like my speculation

move on...

[melman]

55. No

That's not how message boards work. If you're going to post this kind of conspiracy stuff expect to be challenged.

[Tavarious Jackson]

62. It's not a conspiracy.

Donna is accusing the Hillary camp of a lot of inflammatory things, including saying she felt like a slave.. She called Bernie and told him Hillary fund raised a bunch of money and wants control of he DNC. We know Bernie has made negative statements about the DNC repeatedly many times and now Elizabeth Warren says it was rigged. My conclusion and opinion is they will continue to work to discredit the DNC for a future run. How is that a conspiracy?

[melman]

64. How is that a conspiracy?

What do you mean how is that a conspiracy? What you're describing is the very definition of what a conspiracy is!

"A conspiracy is an agreement between persons who intend to gain some collective advantage while keeping their agreement secret from the public or from other people affected by it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy

[Tavarious Jackson]

65. I don't think it's secret

It's very public

[Duncan Grant]

58. You posted it. You defend it.

I’m not sure if you’ve figured it out yet but you’re a terrible political analyst/speculator. There are people reading this thread searching for a substantive conversation. You’ve offered nothing but devisive conspricacy theories designed to fracture like-minded political constituencies.

As I said before, we’re better than this.

[Tavarious Jackson]

63. I have not fractured anything

It's been fractured. I don't know if you have noticed but there are many Bernie supporters who say divisive things and they even have their own group designed to unseat dems.

[Duncan Grant]

72. There are intractable right-wing authoritarians sharpening their knives. Who cares about Bernie?

Let’s remember who the real opponents are at this point in the election cycle. It’s not people on the center to far left political continuum. Those voters are allies and potential supporters of the Democrats. Anyone who is dividing this large constituency is working for the trumps of the world.

Bottom line? Those of us who are centrists, independents and leftist must rise to the occasion in 2018. I’m disappointed that some people on DU are more concerned with creating “internal” threats and enemies instead of building relationships. We need leadership, even among insignificant little threads at DU. What I would ask is that we all do a better job at this. It’s time.

[betsuni]

35. I agree, Donna's backing the Our Revolution horse in the next race.

They think they can get Trump voters, non-voters, third-party voters with their economic message. The real enemies of the cause are Democrats, the "identity politics" ones.

[Duncan Grant]

44. You realize how this sounds, right?

You sound like someone who is afraid. The real enemies of the cause are Democrats?! What the hell kind of talk is that?

And it’s all predicated on imaginary events and speculation. This is madness.

[betsuni]

47. The constant attacks on Democrats aren't imaginary.

The primary was not rigged. Hillary Clinton did not secretly take over the DNC in 2015, was not near death last year, and all the other fake news stories and conspiracies. Anybody who doesn't want Democrats in power will see them as enemies.

[Duncan Grant]

50. Before we go any further -

Can you say more about who your “identity politics” enemies are within the Democratic Party?

I’d like to know how deep this particular rabbit hole is before I climb into it.

BTW, I’m addressing the “speculative” fear mongering in pose #25. If you’d like to discuss what we actually know about DB, let’s do that outside of this sub thread.

[brush]

57. Are you missing betsuni's point? She/he's referring to the "Our Revolution" ilk as thinking...

"The real enemies of the cause are Democrats."

[Duncan Grant]

60. Thats possible - and I hope so.

If I missed the point, I’ll make amends and a course correction.

[delisen]

41. Plausible. they see Dems as more the enemy than

Russia.

speculation: Donna would have gotten a biig payoff from somewhere.

this weird book did not just throw Clinton under the bust also presumably friends in the DNC.

[Duncan Grant]

46. Plausible my eye. Its gossipy fiction based on an alternative universe.

Do you enjoy thoughtful, well-crafted, evidence-based analysis like that offered by Rachel Maddow? If so, be more Rachel and less Alex Jones.

[Squinch]

80. No, not gossipy fiction. Look at EVERY statement made by Our Revolution, or the candidate of choice

regarding the Democratic party. EVERY statement is designed to sow division. They are as devoted to dividing Democrats as the Republicans are.

And now, I see, the gaslighting tactic is being used too. "You are not seeing what you are seeing." It's creepy.

That is not what allies do.

[Duncan Grant]

81. Do you think OurRev sees Democrats as worse than the Russians (as stated above)?

Where’s the specific evidence to support that accusation? It is gossipy fiction and every critical thinker on this board knows it. Like-minded people need to rise above this internecine brinksmanship in 2018. Yesterday, if possible.

There’s competition in the political sphere for power and ideas?! So what. Same as it ever was.

Instead of being angry and afraid among your traditional allies, find ways to accomplish mutual goals. Build a bigger table. Build a bridge. Just build. Be the leader. Isn’t that what this shit (politics) is all about? There will be no winning if being right is more important than getting results.

As for gaslighting? I’ll leave that to each individual to decide for themself.

[Squinch]

83. Why don't you have that conversation with the person who said it? And the idea that

Our Revolution has done nothing but trash Democrats is not gossipy fiction. Like minded people need to NOT trash Democrats. Beginning yesterday if possible.

In stead of trashing their traditional allies, they should QUIT TRASHING THEM. Don't you dare to tell ME to build a bridge. I don't TRASH DEMOCRATS. I never will. They do. Constantly.

There will be no winning if our "traditional allies" don't stop TRASHING DEMOCRATS.

As for gaslighting, quit doing it.

[Duncan Grant]

84. You mad, bro?

Hope you’ll get that big chip on your shoulder handled soon. We could use your help.

[Squinch]

85. The DEMOCRATS never lost my help. It's pompous of you to suggest otherwise.

And making jokes? This is funny to you? This isn't funny to me and that's not a chip on my shoulder. That's despair at the stupidity that I am seeing from assholes who claim to be allies and who insist on trashing Democrats and who fall for every Republican spin lie that comes down the pike.

[Duncan Grant]

86. Emotions dont win in an exchange of ideas.

Your caps lock malfunction said it all. Do better next time.

[Squinch]

87. And your snide deflection and willingness to support the trashing of Democrats says it all.

I'd tell you to do better next time, but I don't think you can.

[Duncan Grant]

89. Its the old when did you stop beating wife? strategy, eh?

Elevate your discourse. Stop digging.

[Squinch]

90. Why do you bring up beating your wife?

[.99center]

45. "it's going to get ugly and democrats better not refrain and get just as ugly or more"

The liberals are coming for us all! Dems Vs Libs, Libs are racist, assaults on Dems! Jesus, this post has everything covered...I've seen better moderation on Twitter...

[fallrey]

66. I think you could be right

I don't particularly have any credentials on DU. But I've been reading about this mess and thinking about it, and it just doesn't make sense to me that Donna is doing this to sell books. And why did Warren step in so quickly? I think there is a move to destroy the Democratic Party. Probably the folks doing this believe that would be progress in some way. While I am in favor of instant run-off voting so that third party candidates can run and not throw an election, I think this is a miscalculation. I agree things will get ugly and it will feel like such bad timing, but I, too, think we had better get ready for that. Politics is changing and it will feel to some like now or never to get the changes they want.

[Wwcd]

69. Yup. Tad Devine & Paul Manafort ran the same type of smear campaign

in the Ukraine election.

Yes, they worked together back then & the method these two professional campaign managers used to destroy the opponant, & create the image make-over for the Ukraine winner, Yanukovych, are similar to election 2016

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/paul_manafort_isn_t_a_gop_retread_he_s_made_a_career_of_reinventing_tyrants.html

SNIP
Manafort was hardly the only American in Yanukovych’s orbit.
Bernie Sanders’ consultant Tad Devine went to work for him in 2009.
Ukrainians spent heavily in Washington, hiring a small army of top-drawer Republican lobbyists, including former congressmen Vin Weber and Billy Tauzin, to bolster Yanukovych’s image in Washington and ultimately stave off American support for Ukrainian democracy.

But Manafort set up the largest shop in Kiev, housed in a well-guarded office just off Independence Square.
During elections, his operation swelled to six American consultants, in addition to Ukrainian translators and drivers.
He procured a special role in the Yanukovych camp. Anders Aslund told me, “Manafort became Yanukovych’s closest political advisor.”


SNIP
If he could convince the respectable world that thugs like Savimbi and Marcos are friends of America, then why not do the same for Trump? One of his friends told me, “He wanted to do his thing on home turf.
He wanted one last shot at the big prize.”


The dots all connect.
Watch for Tad Devine & his role in the Democratic Party to be of interest.
Manafort took care of the Republican Party.

[loyalsister]

74. Anyone who thinks Bernie is going to run in 2020 is deluded

He's pushing 80.

[uponit7771]

75. +1, he will face the biggest dem base backlash if he ran in 2020

[jpak]

39. ...

[ananda]

40. Easypeasy: $$$$$$$

nt

[Puzzledtraveller]

43. I think she's been put up to it

by someone that wants to have total control of the party.

[Lunabell]

52. $$$$$$$$$

And power.

[louis c]

56. Anyone who buys a book from this taitor...

...weakens the Democratic Party

[Lithos]

61. $$$ and attention

After the 2016 campaign, she was at the end of her political career. Other than working as a policy wonk and/or lobbyist, she really has no options. So, she opted to keep her 15 minutes of fame going. What stinks is the timing. Between her and the DFA, there seems to much coincidence.

That said, would not be surprised if she started believing some of the alt-facts out there which help divert attention from her less than stellar performance. To be honest, most of the emails and documents portray a Democratic Party which was extremely ill-managed and ill-prepared to conduct a campaign. I look to Debbie for a good chunk of that, some to Obama who avoided his position as Democrat in chief, and some to Donna who really did not have any vision and competence here. It looks to me Clinton's campaign did what they needed to do to help piece together something. I believe Bernie's campaign would have done the same had they not been more outsider focused and unaware of the internal issues.

And I say this as a Bernie person in the primaries who voted for Hillary in the General.

[MFM008]

67. MONEY

She might as well be a fukin republican.

[woodsprite]

68. For one, it sounds like she's trying to muddy the waters if Biden chooses to run,

the other probably is to get in on the gravy train before it runs dry.

[VOX]

70. If it's to fuck shit up royally, she has achieved her goal.

With points to spare.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

71. To sell her book and hopefully earn enough to retire

May as well. She's never going to work in politics again.

[Duncan Grant]

73. Well, SummerSnow? Is there anything youd like to contribute?

We were just getting started.

[onecaliberal]

76. Money from book sales.

[underthematrix]

77. setting up her defense for when the Mueller investigation heads her way.

[greyl]

78. What is Paul Manafort's agenda? nt

[tavernier]

91. She doesnt want to be treated as a slave

which apparently democrats are fond of doing.

So she is auditioning for a position at Fox News where women, especially women of color, are respected and treated with dignity.

(did I get that out with a straight face??)

[Baconator]

92. Bit of revenge for having been ridden hard w/ no pay off...

... and to highlight the dirty laundry that, if dealt with, could help us win in 2020.