Howard Dean on Post-nom GE memo and Donna. "Standard operating procedure for 15 years"

[emulatorloo]

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"Turns out the memo Donna spoke about applied only to the general election. If so then this memo is standard operating procedure for 15 years"


"Turns out the memo Donna spoke about applied only to the general election. If so then this memo is standard operating procedure for 15 years"

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Shame on Donna, her publisher, and The Politico.

[FarPoint]

1. Curious....

Is Donna just falling into an abyss as a bitter old woman role? What was her motivation as it is a shade delusional.... What financial gain comes from this career sabotage? Who wrote the check?

[bobbieinok]

8. STOP...no more 'bitter old woman' garbage

That's what some at DU called HRC during 08 primary.

[FarPoint]

9. Well....

That was a nice way to identify her current status.... without using inflammatory terms.

[Demit]

10. You need to broaden your understanding of inflammatory terms.

[FarPoint]

11. No I don't...

Thank you.

[Squinch]

12. Then you're going to get pushback when you use tired sexist stereotypes. Because they're obnoxious.

[Kirk Lover]

23. Not every old woman is bitter.

[Kirk Lover]

31. What I do get is that I consider this small small potatoes compared to the real scandals that are

a brewing. I do wish she would just shut up now..she's going on that rat fucker carlson. Does she really think this "angle" is going to help book sales. I HOPE NOT.

[Squinch]

38. I guess we should be grateful that you noticed.

[yardwork]

13. Please use a non-gender specific, non-stereotypical description.

For instance, I think that Donna Brazile is being an unethical jerk.

[FarPoint]

14. No...

I'm not bland nor invisible with conversation...

[FarPoint]

16. I'm an old woman....So, I am not offended...

I'm not going to be a politically correct Stepford ...not happening.

[FarPoint]

17. You are adding your own critical trigger words to this. ." N" word ...

I will not engage in your delusional thinking..I'm not playing your fight game... making stuff up is offensive. You asking if I'm edgy within your delusional thoughts.. that is inappropriate.

[yardwork]

43. Sorry, I was mostly being tongue in cheek.

I'll self-delete. Didn't mean to offend.

[FarPoint]

44. Okay.

All is good.

[procon]

36. What was "sexist"? DB is, afterall, a woman, and at 57 it might be debatable

if she is old, although certainly many younger folks will consider her age to be a valid observation. While calling her "bitter" is a subjective opinion that might be labeled a pejorative, there are many men (Bernie Sanders for one) who are also called "bitter" and it's not sexist then either.

Equating any of those commonplace words with the n-word, is ridiculous and shameful, it was an intellectually-dishonest comparison to force that hypercritical cliche into the discussion and it only makes your position untenable.

[RandomAccess]

40. It dredges up a stereotype

"Bitter old woman" is a stereotype for older women -- and that makes it sexist.

[Kirk Lover]

21. Or you could say Donna B is bitter. Donna B is a bitter and old. You just can't use the woman part

is that right?

[FarPoint]

24. Welcome to DU...

Good example.

[Kirk Lover]

25. I'm afraid I may get in trouble inadvertently around here as I would not bat an eye at

saying "bitter old woman" just as I have no qualms with "dirty old man".

[FarPoint]

28. It's all good..

Right now the world is in criticism mode, some experience regret for letting things slide in their past...some trying to reclaim autonomy....Not just here at DU but in America.. so, I set healthy boundaries and maintain my self dignity without fear overall...

You will be fine.

[pangaia]

33. Hey, could one of you change your PIC. I'm having trouble following your 'discussion.'

[pangaia]

32. Hey, could one of you change your PIC. I'm having trouble following your 'discussion.'

[Kirk Lover]

34. I know LOL I wish they had a Kirk but I'm happy to at least have Spock.

[pangaia]

35. I was thinking, maybe I could change mine every day.

Maybe then people wouldn't know I'm the same guy.

I used to have that Dylan pic. But then somebody I didn't like started using it. So I got rid of mine.
Then they switched, but.. I kept my flower.. I actually grew that rose shrub.

[Lucinda]

2. KNR

[Hekate]

3. Thank you, Dr. Dean

As for Donna B.

[BigmanPigman]

4. I have always found Dean to be rational, knowledgable

and professional and I respect his opinion. He knows his shit.

[still_one]

5. No surprise from Politico, but no excuse for what Donna Bazile did

[emulatorloo]

26. Common pattern for DU to blow up over a Politico article, and find out the next day it isn't true.

Over and over, rinse and repeat.

[still_one]

27. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[mercuryblues]

37. That is SOP for anything Clinton

Half assed article written. Gets posted on DU, gets knee jerk reactions and condemnation for Hillary. Article proven to be untrue or more to the story, Knee jerkers double down or ignore it.

Ex headline: Hillary lets cute kittens die in house fire. Story goes on about how she didn't save 2 kittens from a fire.

reaction of some on DU would be. How could she not save them! cold hearted, if they were a banker's kitten....

Next day it gets reported that Hillary ran into the building and saved 20 kittens but 2 kittens ran off just as the roof collapsed. Clinton ran out of the building with the 20 kittens she already had and barely escaped death. She is also paying vet fees for the kittens she saved and is saddened she couldn't save them all.

reactions of some on DU: Whose kittens were they? A bankers? Must have belonged to Kissenger, she will do anything to support him. Why she even had her picture taken with him to prove it. She's only paying for their vet bills because she wants to be on the board of the Humane Society.

[lunamagica]

6. K&R.

[world wide wally]

7. sorry ladies.. but donna is dingbats

[OnDoutside]

18. Great clarity from Gov. Dean as usual, BUT, where is the pushback from the DNC ??? The longer they

allow this Brazile LIE to go unchallenged, then worse it will get.

[OilemFirchen]

19. Tom Perez is busy. Protecting delicate snowflakes.

I admire his restraint.

[OnDoutside]

20. He could at least issue a statement saying Brazile is wrong with her allegations.

[OilemFirchen]

22. He ignored her. That's the correct approach.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/02/dnc_chair_tom_perez_ignores_donna_braziles_rigged_primary_allegation_were_moving_forward.html

This will blow over soon. Had Perez issued a statement of any kind, he would have merely protracted the discussion, alienating some people in the process.

[FarPoint]

30. They are picking their battles....

We as Democrats recognize Donna's miserable error. .we just had Howard Dean clarify. We need to move forward to our tRump and Putin crime family issues...

We all understand...sometime, not feeding the bitter trolls works.... ignore...outrage can be within our own inner circle.

[RandomAccess]

41. Perhaps because they know the truth?

Which is that Brazille told the truth, and wasn't confused --


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9796021

[RandomAccess]

39. Howard has been successfully bamboozled too

It's Just. Not. True.

Here's an article from FEB 20, 2016 describing the August agreement -- it was NOT for the general, but for immediately, and it favored Clinton -- so much so that some of the state parties were worried that signing on would be seen as a tacit endorsement of Clinton.

I encourage people to read the entire article.

Democratic Party fundraising effort helps Clinton find new donors, too February 20, 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-fundraising-effort-helps-clinton-find-new-donors-too/2016/02/19/b8535cea-d68f-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html

[OnDoutside]

42. Meh, conjecture from some, from an article unaware of the contents

Of the 2015 agreement. Your post changes nothing for me, especially since we can see the whole picture now.

[emulatorloo]

45. Time to pack it in. Its over.

The false "rigged" meme is dead. No amount of obsfucation is going to change that.

[OilemFirchen]

46. Even Symone Sanders debunked this juvenile meme last night.

Symone Sanders fer chrissakes.

I'm thinking of doing some barrel-fish hunting tonight.

[emulatorloo]

47. Some people have a big psychological investment in clinging to the lies Putin spoonfed them

To admit it was a lie means their entire worldview shatters in a million pieces.

Bernie primary guy here. Bernie said he lost the nomination fair and square. That's always been good enough for me.

Symone's always been a straight shooter.

[OilemFirchen]

48. I can't imagine that there's a Russian influence here.

As others have opined, this is about Brazile - her need to stay relevant, her positioning herself for the next Presidential election, and, of course, her interest in maximizing book sales.

Which makes the convoluted support by some even more embarrassing. She's not a friend to Clinton. She's not a friend to Sanders. She's not a help to anyone, other than - at least for one brief shining moment - herself. Defense of her at this point is beyond a "psychological investment". It's farking neurotic.

[emulatorloo]

49. No I didn't mean Brazile was influenced by Russians at all! She adamantly pushed back against them

As you said I think Donna was trying to reinvent herself so she could get work in the future as a political consultant. Clinton money well is dry for Donna, as Clinton's done. Book seems to be about reinventing herself for the Our Revolution type work. I don't know what happened or how she fucked up all this/confused two different agreements, but she's on her one w that.

As we know, Bernie supporters were targeted by Putin and Assange w the false "rigged" meme thru Wikileaks ridiculous spin of the DNC emails.

Trump followed up on that using the same language as he attempted to lure Bernie or Busters to vote for him.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/25/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-supporters-russia-putin

As evidenced by some posts we're seeing in this thread and in others on DU, some folks got way too invested in Putin's false "rigged" narrative and are apparently desperate to cling to it.

By the way, Donna herself debunked that Russian "rigged meme" spin in March 2017:

http://time.com/4705515/donna-brazile-russia-emails-clinton/


"When I was asked last July to step in temporarily as D.N.C. Chair, I knew things were amiss. The D.N.C. had been hacked, and thousands of staff emails and documents were plastered on various websites. Staff were harassed, morale suffered, and we lost weeks of planning. Donors were harassed, and fundraising fell off.

Snip

By stealing all the DNC’s emails and then selectively releasing those few, the Russians made it look like I was in the tank for Secretary Clinton. Despite the strong, public support I received from top Sanders campaign aides in the wake of those leaks, the media narrative played out just as the Russians had hoped, leaving Sanders supporters understandably angry and sowing division in our ranks.

In reality, not only was I not playing favorites, the more competitive and heated the primary got, the harder D.N.C. staff worked to be scrupulously fair and beyond reproach. In all the months the Russians monitored the D.N.C.’s email, they found just a handful of inappropriate emails, with no sign of anyone taking action to disadvantage the Sanders campaign."

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Hope this clarifies what I meant.