Talk me Down

[angrychair]

The Dem Party infighting had slowed to almost nothing but fringe wackos, on both sides, that refused to move on. Now its back, on both sides, as bad or worse than it was during the primaries.
It’s hard to stay out of the fighting, I’m confused by the actions of noted Dem Party stalwarts and Sanders supporters that seem counterintuitive and self-destructive.
The governor’s race in Virginia has broke me. It seems to be completely falling apart. In that chaos a man, Gillespie, who is a complete and utter incompetent racist, could become governor when it should not even be close. We should not be clawing for every vote against him but we are.

Trump has said and done things that should have lost him not only the election but he should have been not even been in the top three in their primaries. We had him on video and audio talking about sexually assaulting women and it didn’t even matter (we once flushed a candidate for cheering into a microphone loudly).

Trump has said and done things that would have had the republicans drawing up articles of impeachment if it had been Obama but with trump it’s ok.

We have republicans now pushing to fire Mueller which is likely to succeed given the trouble he is caused them and the fact that most citizens (I use that term very loosely) don’t actually give a shit. They will happily say they care but if it takes the slightest amount of effort they will give up, shrugging and go back to shoveling hamburgers down their throats and watching “reality” TV.

He will be fired and it will become all about HRC and a lie about how a Canadian company got a contract to mine uranium ore that never left the US.

Then they will rehash the emails again and then they will do this and that untl they have kept us distracted enough to drain us of every last penny we have and leave this country a polluted wasteland.

Dems will do nothing about it but continue to complain about each other as the world burns around them.

Im tired of trying anymore. We are done as a country if you want to admit it or not. Trump didn’t do it. He is a symptom, not the disease.

As a nation, we are narcissistic, sexist, racist and xenophobic. We are the very opposite of what we claim to be. We are not a shining beacon on a hill, we aren’t even a flashlight.

[shraby]

1. K and R

[lagomorph777]

2. Watching DU, it looks like here, today, we have finally figured out Putin is behind this round.

And folks are not going to play along anymore.

[angrychair]

5. Thats hard to believe

We have DNC insiders, Party icons, attacking their own Party, sowing significant seeds of discord. This is s VERY critical timeframe, it sets the stage for “both the same” false equivalence arguments and more.
We have progressive Dem organizations attacking Dem candidates running for governor when we cannot afford to lose anymore ground.
Worse, we were already fighting for every vote in Virginia, despite a republican candidate with all the appeal of an STD.
It actually starting to worry me because it becomes more clear every day that 45IQ is trying as hard as he can to start WWIII.

[lagomorph777]

6. And to you, given the timing and the multiple prongs, it doesn't look like a Putin attack?

Typical Putin tactic: find a few insiders with weak wills or financial troubles, and juice them up.

[GeneMcM]

8. Sorry No. You can't blame what has been going on for 50 years on Putin

The 'progressives' have been costing Democrats elections over and over and over for 50 years with this spoiler stuff. If it ain't Bernie Stein it's Ralph Nader or Eugene Debs or some Repub funded Green candidate. It's always always the SOS.

[RandiFan1290]

10. Cool story, bro

[GeneMcM]

11. reality bites Boris

but don't worry the 'progressives' probably just handed the Virginia Governorship to the GOP today.

[Kirk Lover]

3. I don't think it's working at all and this is going to fall off the radar real real soon. n/t

[lindysalsagal]

4. Sorry but politicians are gonna be politicians. They have to be.

This isn't kindergarten.

Did some of our people act like politicians? Sure. Am I schocked? Defensive? Angry? Surprised? No.

Will the new blood do these things to each other? Yes.

Will it ever change? No.

You need an extra-large ego to run for office, in the first place. Cost of doing business.

The key is to keep it all in perspective, and move on with trends: Dems tend to take care of regular people. R's take care of business.

[angrychair]

7. With all due respect

That line of think died when 45IQ declared his candidacy.
The republican nomination process broke every rule and every gentleman’s agreement that ever existed.
It’s not as simple as dirty politics.
Every norm has evaporated and you can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

More importantly, again respectfully, there is no evidence that republicans have been better for business in US than Democrats. That is a false narrative. Yet another lie that continues to get repeated until people dont know the difference between a truth and a lie.

[lindysalsagal]

9. You didn't read my post: Dems take care of people. R's: business.

Look at general trend lines: Not individual days/statements.

In other words, I expect people to disagree. It doesn't bother me. I'll always be a dem. It's not dependent on one person or event.

[liquid diamond]

12. Sorry, but I agree with your OP.

We can’t get our shit together, so the bad guys are going to keep winning. So be it. I’m tired of fighting people who are supposedly on my side.

[Saboburns]

13. I can't talk you down. I agree with much of what you say, except for your part on Democrats.

Yes its surreal that Donald Trump is where he is, having done heinous, immoral and illegal acts his whole despicable life. He continues to act in a manner that embarrasses a nation, threatens the safety of the entire globe, and is ruining relationships with our staunchest, oldest, and most trusted Allies. He is isolating our country, we are so much weaker because of him, and the fools that continue to prop him up.

But I do not blame this shit on Democrats. Its not because of Democrats in-fighting we are where we are. Its not because of Democrats that Donald Trump will get away with firing Robert Mueller.

The blame for Donald Trump rests solely on those that voted for him. He will get away with firing Mueller because of the Alt-Right bubble that has created a political party not interested in truth, facts, Laws, Courts, Science nor anything else they don't like.