Dishonorable Discharge Not As Weighty As Before. Employers Don't Hire Vets Anyway.

[TheMastersNemesis]

If anything employers avoid hiring vets because of health care risks and risks of PTSD. The GOP has scrapped funding or ended programs that help vets get hired. Vets no longer get special consideration in hiring unless it is a reason NOT hire them. In all honesty our vets have largely been abandoned and forgotten. There are no programs to help vets now unless they are a charity or crowd funded.

Evian as the GOP prepares to cut funding that benefits vets, or works at privatizing the VA and degrading health care for veterans and retired veterans, there is no outcry from the public. Average Joe citizen could care less from what I can tell. Sure people say thanks for your service, but it is pretty much hollow verbiage.

In fact a lot of Americans particularly GOPPERS think vets get too much from the government. The GOP pretty much calls veterans benefits "WELFARE". Even if you have no legs or arms or have terminal PTSD you should get a job and get over your service. "You VOLUNTEERED so you know what you signed up for." At least that is what Trump believes as well as his followers. Besides if you come back dead that is ok, your financial obligations ends.

After all you got good pay, free health care, housing, meals and other benefits civilians have to work for. So what is the beef?

So why serve a truly ungrateful bunch of despicable people. After a lot of them elected a 5 time draft dodger who wants to throw Bergdahl out of a plane. I am sure there are many Trumpers who would do it if Trump asked.

As a Vietnam vet who went to Vietnam 50 years ago November 6, I am sick of what out country has done to our vets.

[onenote]

1. Hyperbole.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/vet.pdf

[mythology]

2. Thanks for the link

Having facts matters.

[MineralMan]

3. Employers Do Hire Veterans

Not all employers, but most employers have veterans as employees. Your broad statement is simply incorrect.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Also, common sense suggests having a Dishonorable Discharge is a burden.

I used to hire people. I would be reluctant to hire someone who had a Dishonorable Discharge.

[MineralMan]

5. I've never hired anyone. I work for myself.

But, I'd inquire into the reason for that class of discharge before making a decision, assuming that the rest of the person's resume made sense.

Still, it's a black mark on anyone's record, and would be a barrier for employment, I'm sure.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Ceteris paribus I'd hire a vet as I would hire a minority.

[MineralMan]

8. All things are rarely equal, though, of course.

I'm glad I've never been in the position of hiring people.

On the other hand, when I got out of the USAF in 1969, I got hired by the first employer I applied to, a major utility company. Six months later, when I decided to return to college and get my degree, that employer gave me a leave of absence with a guarantee of a position once I graduated. I never took advantage of that, but they didn't seem to mind my status as a Vietnam Era veteran one bit.

Later, I got hired immediately by the county government where I lived, after graduation. My veteran status was a positive thing there, too.

I think the OP is speaking based on something other than factual information.

[cwydro]

18. Me too. Hired after I left the USAF, no problem, while I waited to begin college.

After I graduated, hired immediately by a county agency...my vet status was a plus.

And it was the same in various other employments.

I have no idea what the OP is talking about.

[Marengo]

7. Not true in my experience, Im a department and hiring manager.

[MineralMan]

9. It's simple a false statement and a poor generalization.

I'm not sure why the OP said that, really. Being a Vietnam Era veteran was always a positive when I was looking for employment. In fact, I've never applied for a job I didn't get hired for. Not once.

[Marengo]

10. Ive always worked in thr private sector, is it true that vets of at least certain service eras...

Have an advantage when applying for Federal employment? Something about addtional points applied to the scoring system?

[MineralMan]

13. Well, that used to be the case, at least.

I don't know about now. I stopped being an employee in 1974, when I began freelancing and running my own tiny businesses. So, I'm sort of out of the employment loop.

[cwydro]

11. Im an Air Force veteran.

I never have had a problem getting hired.

No idea of what you speak.

[pwb]

12. Bull

Veterans get preference in county, state, and federal hiring. Most defense arsenals and contractors are mostly veterans. Unions are big veteran hirees. Dishonorable discharges are very rare and anyone with one would be and should be judged more harshly. This post is a disservice to all veterans.

[MineralMan]

14. I think that poster must have had some bad experiences or something.

But I don't know. Being a veteran only says that you served in the military. There are many, many other factors that go into hiring decisions. A lot of people don't know why they have trouble getting hired, in my experience. Could be almost anything, really.

[pwb]

15. I thought the same thing.

Some unknown agenda.

[GoCubsGo]

16. Tell that to any non-vet who has ever applied for a federal or state job.

You can be the most-experienced applicant, but if a vet or spouse of an active duty serviceperson applies and meets the basic requirements, you are shit out of luck. I speak from experience. Been there, done that more times than I care to think about.

[shanti]

17. Huh?

The US government hires vets ALL the time, states too.

[TheMastersNemesis]

19. I Was Talking About Private Employers To Start With.Many Government Jobs Targeted For Privatization

Yes veterans preference still is in use for government jobs. The problem is that a lot of government jobs have turned to private contracts. The national employment service that hired thousands of veterans was dismantled by the GOP over time. That same agency also serviced veterans and oversaw veterans preference programs. Also worked at getting private employers to hire veterans.

In an era of massive privatization jobs that veterans used to be hired for have been privatized. Thousands of jobs at the VA have not been filled. The federal government also still has a freeze as far as I know.

Many veteran's programs that use to exist are no longer.

[UTUSN]

20. "GOP has scrapped funding or ended programs that help vets" - yet vets still vote wingnut/Repuke

And the rationale I heard scores of years ago at the VFW bar was, "We tend to do better (in benefits/cash) with (Repukes)." Not true.

[TheMastersNemesis]

21. The GOP NEVER Has Supported Robust Vets Benefits. Was Against The Original GI Bill.

The GOP has never supported veterans' benefits. They have a history of rejecting them. A GOP controlled Congress rejected the WWI bonus for veterans during the Depression. They also were responsible for throwing veterans out of DC and burning their shanties. Several veterans were killed.

VFW and American Legion are nuts if they believe GOP is better.