If what you are about to say helps Trump in any way,

[MineralMan]

just keep it to yourself, please. That advice is addressed to anyone and everyone, and includes all public figures who identify as Democrats.

[mythology]

1. Considering Trump's well documented issues with facts

I'm not sure what anybody can say under your proposal.

[lunasun]

2. Thank you MM . Good Advice. Shit stirring posters please consider.

[MineralMan]

6. It's not just posters here who I'm addressing.

Not by a long shot.

[Paladin]

3. Good advice for Donna Brazille. Wish to hell she'd followed it.

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trump announced himself to be a big fan of her new book, this morning. Thanks for nothing, Ms. Brazile. And how about we Democrats disbanding the circular firing squad which continues to furnish trump with all these favors?

[MineralMan]

5. Indeed. It's too late for that, though, I guess.

[R B Garr]

15. +1, Trump's blatant pandering to that crowd shows how much he stole lines from

the primary to attack Clinton and promote the divisiveness. That's how little it takes to ignite the conspiracies and how much he relied on them.

[33taw]

17. Elizabeth Warren agreed with her.

[ehrnst]

18. I think Elizabeth Warren remembers the savaging she got from many Bernie supporters

When she endorsed Clinton.

[ananda]

20. Well, she will need the votes of Sanders' supporters.

She has mine anyway. I just like her.

[33taw]

26. I like her as well. I just wish the Dems would be more cognizant of what they say.

Trump will jump on anything to fire up his base and Hillary bashing is there favorite target. Elizabeth Warren is number two.

[Demsrule86]

68. She has a tough race for Senate, and this will hurt her.

I hope not to badly because we need all Democrats to retain their seats and three or four more. But she should have stayed out of it. Candidates should consider they need Democratic votes. Sen. Sanders supporters are a minority of voters and not enough to win in many cases. Appealing to a 2016 faction just continues the primary bullshit.

[Demsrule86]

67. And she should not have done so...since it turns out to be untrue...watch the news...

being reported everywhere except on Fox I suppose.

[Honeycombe8]

22. Yes. I'm perplexed why she'd write a book about it.

I can see informing others about what she found. That is her right and her duty. But to write a book broadcasting something so divisive? Maybe she needs the money, or is trying to help her reputation, which was sullied after giving the HRC staffer a heads up on a debate question?

Now that it's in the light of day, though, the problems can be addressed and aren't likely to happen again, I think.

[SharonAnn]

32. Yes - Maybe she needs the money, or is trying to help her reputation,

[Ilsa]

38. I wouldn't hire DB, though, not after seeing that

She has no problem writing her "tell-all". Who would want to bring her on, knowing she would spill her guts about anything or everything?

I understand her feeling the need to speak up about her experience. But did she have to nearly destroy the party, open the DNC up to more republican ridicule by writing a book? This stinks. Eventually no one would remember that bit about a heads-up on a question.

[Honeycombe8]

42. Yes. Who wants a trusted group member who airs her differences in a national book, for profit. nt

[ollie10]

41. Wasn't she the one who gave Hillary a debate question?

That was dumb enough. And it provided much help to Trump when it was found out. People not voting because of anger of being rigged, etc.

Now she is on the other side of the same fence?

Do we want to defeat Trump or not? She is not helping at all.

Trump's goal: divide and conquer.

[Honeycombe8]

43. No, it's not helpful at this point in time. But it is good to have complete record

of "what happened" in 2016. That is good. But at this time...it's harmful.

[NastyRiffraff]

60. And then she pretended to be surprised and insulted when Trump did what Trump does

There's no way she could NOT know that he'd seize on her crap like a drowning man to a lifeline.

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. Amen!

[Jim Dandy]

7. Agreed

This is a big moment in our nation's history. It is far bigger than the usual bullshit.

[onecaliberal]

8. EXACTLY!

[mcar]

9. This should be self evident to anyone who claims to be a Democrat

I really do not understand recent statements. They had to know the result.

[MineralMan]

10. Apparently, it is not, though.

That's truly unfortunate.

[mcar]

11. Indeed

[SunSeeker]

12. K & R

[elmac]

13. and no more links to GOPTV aka Fox so called news nt

[IronLionZion]

14. I'd like to help Trump get some much needed mental health treatment

once he and his people go to prison

[FM123]

28. Yes! Perhaps he can get his mental health treatment someplace far away. Russia maybe?

[kpete]

16. Let this be a lesson - don't give Russia/Trump talking points.

Link to tweet

[pangaia]

24. What is Singapore about in with those other topics?

The great food?

[Not Ruth]

29. +1

[pangaia]

31. LOL.

The night market !!! Shrimp the size of lobsters !!!!

[hunter]

33. Broadcom?

Broadcom praises Trump in move to US

Acquisitive chipmaker cites better business conditions in decision to relocate

--more--

https://www.ft.com/content/4232018a-c024-11e7-b8a3-38a6e068f464

Moving on paper, from Singapore to Delaware...

[PDittie]

70. I simply do not

agree that Elizabeth Warren or Donna Brazile gave Trump talking points.

[bronxiteforever]

19. Kick and recommend and I am so freakin ticked off that this has to be a post.

[VOX]

21. K and R.

Agreed!

[Honeycombe8]

23. Now hold on thar, pardner....

It is not helpful to stick heads in sand to avoid mentioning something that's in the news that is harmful to the Democrats.

I assume you mean just the hate filled rhetoric, disrespectful name calling and such, calling someone else's opinion f___g this or that. But as to real news that comes to light, I don't think it's helpful just to avoid that altogether. That makes this site not the go-to for status of things, news, updates, etc.

It's a matter of what it is, and the stance that people take toward it, I think.

[joshcryer]

25. If what you are about to say helps Trump in any way...

...then your opinion is likely wrong.

[Doodley]

27. Elizabeth Warren now has no future as a potential candidate.

[Honeycombe8]

44. I don't think so. She's not experienced enough a politician to see the repercussions ofwhat she says

Or the alternative, and I hope this isn't true, she's using the controversy to get in the news and get a more nationally recognized name.

I think it's mainly the inexperience. To use the term "rigged" in inflammatory and unnecessary. And I don't think that's accurate.

[PDittie]

71. I believe you are mistaken.

[Chemisse]

30. I disagree.

That makes me think of McDonnell's commitment to make Obama a one-term president and all the obstructive actions to follow. It didn't matter how great Obama's proposals might be, they had to be blocked so he didn't get a 'win.' It was unfair and unpatriotic.

If Trump actually does or says something that is commendable, I won't begrudge anyone who makes a positive comment about it. In fact, I will say that he seemed to be doing a good job with the first two big hurricanes. Sadly, that is the only positive thing I can say about anything he has said or done in all the time he has been in office.

I don't see the harm in giving credit where (or if) credit is due. And actually that would make later criticism more meaningful. Trump has done and said so many horrific things, and he is such an ignorant, dumb and awful person. Anything he could do that is worth praise is minuscule in comparison.

If this is about the DNC revelations, then the best strategy is not to hide the problems. We need to show that we are making it better, we are getting new leaders, and the party will be strong for the next election. Turn the scandal into a strength!

[Angry Dragon]

39. +30,000

[iluvtennis]

34. Ditto.

[dalton99a]

35. Don't help the shit-flinging monkey.

[padah513]

36. As bad as this is

It's better that it all comes out now than next year. I wish the book was released yesterday so we could get it out of our systems that much sooner, but hopefully as soon as Mueller comes out with the next batch of indictments it'll get lost in the news cycle.

[Angry Dragon]

37. What if it helps Trump AND the country??

[Binkie The Clown]

40. K&R And if it helps Putin, just shut the F*** up. nt

[Jim Lane]

45. I profoundly disagree.

There are instances in which a truthful statement helps a despicable person. That doesn't make it untrue.

An example: I've seen statements on DU that Trump declared bankruptcy multiple times. That statement, by itself, is misleading. The facts are that several of Trump's businesses have declared bankruptcy but Trump himself has never declared personal bankruptcy.

So, if someone on DU misinterprets the correct statement and comments as if Trump had declared personal bankruptcy, it arguably helps Trump for another poster to refute that false accusation against him. I don't care. Refuting a false accusation is the right thing to do.

I know that Trump himself has zero concern for truthfulness. So what? That doesn't mean we have to descend to his level. I don't make decisions by asking myself, "What would Donald Trump do?" When I pick my role models, I like to set my sights a little higher.

[MineralMan]

47. Yah, OK, then.

[ismnotwasm]

49. Oh really.

Do you feel you are always on the side of truth then?

[Jim Lane]

50. How you get from my post to a claim of infallibility is beyond me.

But I will humor you and answer your absurd question: No, I don't feel I'm always on the side of truth.

On the specific question that I mentioned, namely Donald Trump's history with bankruptcy filings, the evidence is so overwhelming that it's essentially inconceivable that I'm wrong. On other questions, it's unlikely but possible that I'm wrong. And then there are questions where I'm just on a guess.

Now that I've answered your question, perhaps you'll answer mine: If someone posts a derogatory statement about Trump, and you know that it's false, would you think it appropriate for you or someone else to post a correction, even if correcting the derogatory falsehood about Trump helps him?

[ismnotwasm]

51. You fucking kidding me?

I’m never, under any circumstances, going to be sticking up for Trump.

But I am very, very glad you don’t feel you infallible as far as truth is concerned —and hey, have you noticed that the JPR trolls are all nut jobs?

[Jim Lane]

53. If you assign zero moral value to honesty, you might consider the pragmatic aspects.

If you say five harsh things about Trump, and four of them are completely true and one of them is that he filed for personal bankruptcy, do you know what the other side will do? I think it's obvious. They'll seize on that one error, blow it way out of proportion, and use it to attack your credibility and deflect attention from the four devastating and truthful attacks.

Is that fair? No, but it happens.

In the long run, our side benefits from a scrupulous adherence to the truth.

[Kentonio]

69. Completely agree.

If we don't stand up for honesty and decency then who are we?

Someone said something yesterday that really shocked me, which was along the lines of 'if Ghengis Khan was running as a Democrat, you should still support him'. Sorry, but I'm a Democrat because the party represent positive values that align with my believes and ideals. I will not defend or support people who refuse to do so.

[ismnotwasm]

46. Especially right in front of important elections

[MineralMan]

48. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[rzemanfl]

52. Just to defy your edict I am going to say this:

Always wash your hands after going to the bathroom. If Drumpf reads that and changes his ways, I can't help that.

[MineralMan]

54. LOL! I'm pretty sure Trump has someone to handle his wiping needs.

I doubt that his reach extends to the back of his ample ass, and he hasn't seen the other part involved in excretory functions for many years.

[rzemanfl]

55. He actually advocated not washing after #1 in one of his books. At least that's what I hear.

Something about handshakes.

[MineralMan]

56. Ewww! Like I said, he can't see it, so it's out of reach anyhow.

Weird dude - in many, many respects.

[rzemanfl]

57. I just had time to look for the story. I fell for a fake page.

https://www.snopes.com/trump-no-wash-trick/

[rzemanfl]

58. Damn. My last post probably helped him too. n/t

[mwooldri]

59. Here's some advice that will help Trump.

Fire your VP Mike Pence. Appoint Joe Biden as VP. Then Resign.

That's the best advice I can give Mr. Donald J. Trump.

Trust me, the American people will love him for this.

[MadDAsHell]

61. I'm with Elizabeth Warren.

I choose character over politics. That way I can sleep at night.

[joet67]

62. I agree. Hillary had two chances, lets move on.

[RainCaster]

63. I would like to encourage 45 to commit suicide

But he would screw it up. Sad.

[IUPACify]

64. Exactly.

Applicable to everything across the landscape. Thank you MM.

[TomVilmer]

65. I am sure this will not help Trump...

... but Trump is really helping the peace movement. In Denmark we can suddenly make most people agree, that military decisions of the USA has to be validated independently, and not just blindly followed . But naturally we would very much rather have a more peaceful commander sitting in that position.

[Demsrule86]

66. Thank you MM.

[PDittie]

72. Who decides what Democrats say helps

or, for that matter, hurts Trump in any way?

Sometimes it's obvious and sometimes it is not. Who arbitrates your decree?