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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust when things are looking dire for Trump
We suddenly see a determined effort to reignite and deepen divisions in the Democratic Party.
This is starting to be a pattern.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)GeneMcM
(69 posts)1. Took the wind out of the inditement headlines and gave Kompromised Orange fodder for his latest rants on the DNC, Hillary, attacks on the JD and excuse to fire Sessions and politicize the FBI.
2. Foddered the far left conspiracy spoiler crowd days before a neck in neck critical Governor's race in Virginia
And that's just for the opening act.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Glamrock
(11,802 posts)People are more than willing to take the bait and play into GOP/russia's hands.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)GeneMcM
(69 posts)kydo
(2,679 posts)Distract with division.
Amazing how things like that keep popping up, huh? There should be a cut-off time of 12 months........or even 1 year!
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)SUPERFICIAL complaints about the DNC. Chuck Todd having a panel about SUPERFICIAL DNC matters. Common sense -- a lifelong Democrat who contributes to the party and knows more people is not a conspiracy.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Big ups for her for sticking to the indictment news and the tax plan.
They are taking this to Benghazi levels and its just trivial and petty sour grapes.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)And it's an obvious pattern.
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Makes it more likely for him and the GOP to remain in power.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)It's just too inflammatory and timely.
Its meant to distract so beware of shifting your focus onto Hillary/Sanders Dem scandals!
No matter what, NOW IS NOT THE TIME!
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Democrats are more than capable of fucking things up on their own.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)People have a right to react to the Newsweek Donna Brazile story! It doesn't mean everyone who is still bitter about 2016 is a Russian troll!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)and timed her accusations accordingly, or for the Rethugs. She's been a loyal Democrat her whole life. Not entirely sure what DB's motivations are - who can be? - but, that CAN'T be it. Perhaps, a particular future candidate, but, then again, not necessarily.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And yet we fall for it like we just fell off the turnip truck.
Spiranthes
(17 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)if we all start ignoring them? Don't post on their blogs, don't make comments to their stupidity and they will go away.
It is like those people who post "I left my job but I am making $5,000.00 a week doing blah, blah...." I have seen many of these, they get ignored and then you don't see them again.
How about doing the same instead of giving them strength? If you reply to them, comment about them you give them strength, but if you ignore them they will eventually fade out.
IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)on the talk radio gods too?
i just wanted to bring that up because if we're worried about russian disinformation/influence on US media, talk radio is top of the heap and if putin wanted to do some damage all he'd have to do is figure out how to feed some of the talk radio gods, like limbaugh.
much of the internet/social media crap can be heard on talk radio too, so maybe the investigators should include talk radio - just sayin.....
that would send republicans into a serious depression if they began to doubt the gods
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Blame her.
The same person who made it possible for Trump to claim that Hillary had all the debate questions in advance. Shes a mediocre drag on our Party.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)For many years I think I changed the channel every time she came on a discussion panel. Poor speaker, not eloquent, not on point and very poor ability to get anything across.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)And somehow she became a major player in our party. Not much there there. Maybe thats part of the explanation.
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)some serious mistakes, but we can get beyond it. There is hope for us.
For Trump and the rest of his treasonous criminal bunch, not so much.
Tell you what. This isn't dividing me. I'm good. We need to start winning elections, and I'm doing my part as are many of us on here.
Not divided.
Pluvious
(4,313 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)And for sure Donna Brazille had the perfect timing.
But Muller's investigation is far from over.
applegrove
(118,691 posts)used to wedge us then. Let's be open.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)That the votes of white men count more than the majority? That the Democratic Party and Democratic VOTERS have the audacity to prefer and vote for Democrats? That we dare to care about issues like reproductive rights, civil rights, and gun violence rather than pretending white men who earn more than 99.7% of the planet are exploited? That the Democratic Party dares to promote policies that direct resources to the most needy rather than the most entitled? That Democratic voters dared to vote for a competent and experienced candidate who was actually a Democrat?
The GOP didnt want Trump to be the nominee. They did everything they could to stop him, but he still won. He won because a majority of Republicans turned out to support him. To pretend that a few emails signaling Democratic preference for an actual Democrat who had worked hard for the party for decades a non-Democrat was somehow determinative is a cop out.
Clinton won by 4 million votes. Her campaign invested in voter turnout, in local offices and organizers. Sanders spent the huge majority of his record-breaking fundraising haul on advertising, which has limited effectiveness at best. Of course he lost. How could he have done otherwise with that campaign strategy? Elections take a lot of hard work, drudging, daily doorknocking in snowstorms and the rain. Vigorous voter registration and turnout campaigns. That is how Clinton won, not because Kremlin hacked and altered emails show some DNC officials preferred her. The total 2016 fundraising of the DNC was 1/3 of what Sanders raised, and that money only came in when they opened donations up to corporate donors. The DNC was anemic, hardly capable of rigging an election.
The whole debate meme is bullshit as well. Eichenwald took apart all those myths months ago.
http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044 Emails, debates, one bullshit excuse after another. And that is what they are: excuses for failure.
This is the exact same shit the Kremlin pushed to put Trump in office. That we have public figures using Kremlin hacked and altered emails to curry favor with a self entitled minority is reprehensible.
Divide away. They want a war over control of the party, theyve got it. Ive held my tongue (held iin comparison to what I have thought). They want to refight their 4 million vote loss, they can have at it. They certainly have persuaded me of the consequences of their efforts. That is why I have the list of Our Rev endorsed candidates for my upcoming local elections, and Im going to systematically vote for their opponents. And there are many more elections to come. Of course, that is why Nomiki Konst is so committed to replacing primaries with caucuses, so that the poor, people of color, shift workers, elderly, disabled, and women with childcare obstacles cant participate. If they dont surrender their votes to the self-entitled, they lose their rights. Then finally the Dem Party can get back to good old days of the 1930s, when only the right sort of people were represented.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Its been done to death. The entire subject of 2016 is rotten fish. Its old its tired its dealt with. Hillary will not be running in 2020. The DNC is under new management. Its over. Close the yearbook.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Or did I miss something?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)so we don't get fooled again!! Just askin'... not sayin'. I'm hopeful we're in much better stead, but, not certain either... so, therein lies the question. Time will tell I spose.
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)The guy is a solid progressive.
Great song, tiresome discussion board cliche.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Its hard to look at 2020 and say yeah the exact same dynamics are in place so the exact same thing is going to happen as it did in 2016.
Thats not a reasonable position to have IMO.
KPN
(15,646 posts)and what's really going on. This is therapeutic in the end. It has to be exposed, admitted and owned by the party now rather than later -- and if it wasn't now, you can be sure the real trolls would be exposing it mid-election -- whether 2018, 2020 or both.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)The primary was not rigged...time to move on...and deal with the GOP and Trump...and support the party period.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Supposed allies riding in to rescue Trump's crime family and the republicans nation breaking tax cuts!
Right on time DAMMIT!
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)A good conspiracy theory ought to really help here.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Why is it that some focus so much more rage at the Democrats than Trump and the GOP?
There in lies the answer.
I dont think it is all Russians circling the wagons around Trump. I have no doubt the bots exploit it, but I think some who attack Democrats simply dislike the party more than Trump. The point is an obvious one.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Raging more at the party than at Trump. I believe there is a tendency on here to see the slightest criticism of things that happened with the party, or with Hillary, as "rage."
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Is one example. The recent Uranium 1 comments and this situation: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029195380
mcar
(42,334 posts)And now it's falling apart. Makes me ill that people fell for it again.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Donations are going to bypass the DNC and go straight to the candidate
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)The DNC was only able to fund the convention after opening up to corporate sponsors. Even then their total was only 1/3 of Sanders. The DNC is neither well-funded or powerful.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)Last person I would have expected.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Also she committing the most egregious act of favoritism by sending Clinton debate questions. Why is she suddenly so concerned about so-called rigging?
Ukapau
(78 posts)in the general -- donating hundreds of dollars and knocking on doors for her -- this post election second-guessing, score-settling seems very harmful to the Democratic party.
Maybe there could be some totally funny contest between supporters of Hillary and Bernie that we all could laugh at and which could allow people to put away their disagreements.
So say I, who tonight lost to my five-year old grandson in CandyLand, 6 to 2. (I think he might have fudged on the rules a bit, but we are family -- we are one!)
Maybe Hillary and Bernie teams (perhaps Kindergartners randomly assigned) can play the best of 7 CandyLand and unite after that with soda or adult beverages.
Because we are one! We are family!
lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)Thanks for posting. It needed to be said.
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)This is a game of truth and credibility. We cannot accept being labeled as Fake News with impunity.
We have to undermine their credibility every bit as much as they undermine ours. It's not sufficient
to await a mass public awareness of spontaneous hypocrisy. We have to drive that truck.
KPN
(15,646 posts)healthy. Let's get this out in the open, aired, admitted, owned, fixed for the future and put to rest now rather than 2018 or 2020. This will only help heal the party in the end.
Oh, and regarding "just when things are dire for Trump" ... none of this changes that. Things are dire for Trump today and will be tomorrow and the day after.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)has no sense of justice, morality, fairness, honesty....this is what happens. He will pull out all the stops, call in favors, coerce the justice department, threaten lawsuits, get his cabinet to go on the record as worshipping him, get foreign countries to praise him, use the bully pulpit to lie. Float fake stories. He's gonna dig in like a tick and it's going to be ugly, depressing, unprecedented, class-less...and there will be a lot of collateral damage.
This is the way he has operated, these quotes from his attorneys:
You write a story that has Mr. Trumps name in it, with the word rape, and Im going to mess your life up, an enraged Cohen told The Daily Beast, threatening a world of legal hurt. Tread very f---ing lightly, because what Im going to do to you is going to be f---ing disgusting, he menaced.
And from another attorney:
Kasowitz replied with series of angry messages sent between 9:30 p.m. and 10 p.m. Eastern time. One read: Im on you now. You are fucking with me now Lets see who you are Watch your back , bitch.
In another email, Kasowitz wrote: Call me. Dont be afraid, you piece of shit. Stand up. If you dont call, youre just afraid. And later: I already know where you live, Im on you. You might as well call me. You will see me. I promise. Bro.
There are many, many more examples of what he will do to win...no boundaries, no low bar that he won't go under. And this is on those who voted for him in the first place and now on the GOP for letting him stay.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)because she is perpetually broke from family needs. I wonder where she will end up...fox or ?
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Let's do our best to turn unity into an all out civil war and give the country to the conservatives for four more years. Let them take over the entire Supreme Court. Then you'll really have something to complain about when the Democratic party shrinks to nothing when voting restrictions, gerrymandering, and campaign financing give the Repubs complete control of the country..
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)publisher is Hatchette Book Group
niyad
(113,344 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Brazille is angling for a Fox News slot, Bernie is not taking the bait at all, and Mueller is still right on-track.
lark
(23,105 posts)May they rot in hell.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)We don't have to fall for it this time.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)Most of us know that this new distraction was brought to us by the same people that want to keep Trump.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)to smell MONEY, and she smells it. It helps if she manages to place herself into a future position that most people who supposedly hate Clinton cannot ignore (hey, you gt us Hillary's head and made the democrats kiss our feet, yay we like you)>
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)And somehow I dint think the candidate who raised and spent more than any primary candidate had money problems. He also had the same fundraising deal with the DNC Clinton did but chose not to take advantage of.
What I did is exercise my Democratic right to vote, and 4 million more Democrats likewise preferred Clinton to her challengers. That process you insisted made you kiss the feet is called electoral democracy: the candidate who gets the majority of votes and delegates win the nomination, no matter how much more important their supporters believe they are compared to the majority of Democratic voters, who are disproportionately people of color, women, and poor. No one forced anyone to vote for Clinton, and no small number chose not to do so.
Contempt for my voting rights is duly noted. The primary was rigged by the 20th Amendment and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)was in reference to what those who would spin this are syaing about voting,. They would love DB to go to them and kiss her feet if she gave them red meat.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I apologize for misunderstanding.
Cary
(11,746 posts)iluvtennis
(19,863 posts)..you put all the negativity aside and you work together on those team projects and get the work done needed to graduate. We dems need to do this same thing so we can pick up every seat we can in 2018.
Get the seats first and become the majority, and then you can open up the bicker bottle.
We need to stop giving the rethugs ammo to destroy us.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)I have a suspicion that there are a lot of trolls here stirring the pot on things like Bernie and the Donna Brazile story.
kimbutgar
(21,163 posts)Those stupid enough to fall for it are dummies.
All week Ive been seeing the Bernie could have won narrative. Get over it. We need to move on and leave the past behind or nothing will change and we lose.
The past is past look forward now and fight going forward.